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Dianabol + Arimidex = no fat gain

PatBateman3

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I am going to be doing some cutting and keeping a strict diet with a caloric deficit on a weekly basis (trying to go from 11%-8%). If I wanted to add in some dbol, would I have any issue with fat gain from water retention if I use arimidex at 1/4 to 1/2 tab per day?????????


Will also be using light tren dose and anavar. Short cycle of approx 6 weeks.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
a-dex may not be the ideal AI with dbol, though it will help with bloating and fat gain.


Can you please explain? Which one would you use? I am using l-dex with dbol, test, and eq. I do notice slight itchyness once in a while. Thought it was my mind, because I am VERY prone to gyno. I am taking .5mg of l-dex a day. I do have nolva on hand so it wouldn't be a problem to switch if neccessary.
 
You nned to do more research honestly. Techically you can use D-bol to cut, but not the ideal choice. Do more research and ask more questions before you touch anything.
 
slyder190 said:
You nned to do more research honestly. Techically you can use D-bol to cut, but not the ideal choice. Do more research and ask more questions before you touch anything.


Guy, I have been around these boards for about 7 years now (under different derivatives of the Bateman handle). You can cut on ANYTHING, any drug. While I know dbol is not the paramount choice, I am trying to bleed off some of my stock. Care to answer the original question about whether the adex will target the estrogenic properties of dbol effectively or if I should go with another a.e?
 
Fat gain from the water retention from the DBOL??? I would think that fat gain would come from the food you consume not form the water that you may retain from the dbol.....remember..dbol is known for the rapid weight gain and strength gain from the water you hold at first...but once you come off of it..what is mostly reported???? you loose almost all the weight...why? Because it was mostly water...so if your concern in fat gain from dbol then i wouldnt worry about it...if your concerned with water retention then i would...but fat = your diet not the dbol or the water.
 
swordfish151 said:
Fat gain from the water retention from the DBOL??? I would think that fat gain would come from the food you consume not form the water that you may retain from the dbol.....remember..dbol is known for the rapid weight gain and strength gain from the water you hold at first...but once you come off of it..what is mostly reported???? you loose almost all the weight...why? Because it was mostly water...so if your concern in fat gain from dbol then i wouldnt worry about it...if your concerned with water retention then i would...but fat = your diet not the dbol or the water.

Great response and I totally agree. However, my question relates to a concern I have (from what I have read in the past), that excess water retention throughout the body can actually cause a catalyst in terms of the body's normal rate of fat retention (i.e. the effects of the water make the body MUCH more susceptible to gaining fat even when one's diet is clean).
 
the oestrogenic metabolites of dianabol are very potent and can increase adiposity. Though agree such fat gains are to a great extent diet and training dependent, it is also clear that reducing the oestrogenic metabolites will have an impact on adipose tissue gains.
 
PatBateman3 said:
Guy, I have been around these boards for about 7 years now (under different derivatives of the Bateman handle). You can cut on ANYTHING, any drug. While I know dbol is not the paramount choice, I am trying to bleed off some of my stock. Care to answer the original question about whether the adex will target the estrogenic properties of dbol effectively or if I should go with another a.e?

I got your PM bro. I wasn't dissin you, only tryin to help. You need to chill. If you're tryin tryin to blled off stock, it would make more sense to save the D-bol for another bulking cycle, as you could utilize the drug better. Yeah, you can cut on anything, but it makes more sense to cut with the more effective cutting compounds. You said you'll be adding Tren and Var, nice choices, but while not all will agree, it would be your wisest choice to use Test as the base to any cycle. And to answer your original question, in my own experience, these Anti-E's are not the fantastic compounds they're often hyped up to be. Yes, they will help, but you can't really count on them 100% to avoid Estrogen related side effects. You can refer to my thread regarding sore nips and one of the bros who answered with how he's used 50mg of Aromasin a day along with 80mg Nova aday and still had sore nips. So all in all, you may block some of the unwanted Estrogen side effects, but with D-bol you stand a higher chance of fat gain due to Estrogen conversion. It is greatly related to diet, but I would say you stand a better chance of possibly putting on more fat with D-bol. I'd recomend .5mg of A-dex a day, but even with that, it doesn't mean you won't run into any problems.
Now I know you will question my advice to use Test, which brings on the same problem again, but I always use Test to avoid any libido or wood problems as everything can shut you down, (Tren is notorious) it doesn't happen to everyone, but the risk is still pretty good, and still too great to not use Test as a base. The good would far outweigh the bad in this case if you ask me.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
the oestrogenic metabolites of dianabol are very potent and can increase adiposity. Though agree such fat gains are to a great extent diet and training dependent, it is also clear that reducing the oestrogenic metabolites will have an impact on adipose tissue gains.


Great post as always macro


As for his original question, Armidex should take care of your bloat rather quickly, If that didnt work, maybe you would opt for Femera? But a thing to note about dbol, it can damage your RBC and cellular respiration which would in turn make cardio much more difficult... possibly leading to more energy expenditure to finish the same mile or 30 minute jog. There was a great post a few weeks ago about it, Ill look around for it.

Even though macro stated in very clear terms about dbol and fat tissue, you still need to keep your diet VERY clean and free from simple sugars and the like (unless specific situations apply) because they wont help you achieve your goals, and certainly wont make it any easier.
 
Found it
Heres what Big Cat had to say on Dbol in his profile about cellular respiration


Methandrostenolone is without a doubt one of the best, if not the best product for people who compete in non-aerobic oriented sports. It promotes drastic protein synthesis, enhances glycogenolysis (repletion of glycogen after exercise) and stimulates strength in a very direct and fast-acting way. It may be less useful to those competing in aerobic events as it also diminishes cell respiration1. But methandrostenolone manifests itself in a distinct manner : rapid and fast-acting build-up of strength and mass is noticed. That's why its often used at the beginning of cycle consisting of mostly injectables like long-acting testosterone esters and nandrolone. Since the effects of such drugs don't fully come out for the first 10-15 days, methandrostenolone is dosed in to provide immediate and visible results. It has a rather weak androgenic component and an obviously quite strong and visible anabolic component. Its effects are largely non-AR mediated, which is documented by its rather low influence on the natural endocrine system2 and the fact that it decreases rather than increases red blood cell content in the blood. Which means that one worry users of Dianabol, especially short term, needn't fear is the dramatic shutdown of natural testosterone production as is often the case with very androgenic compounds. Of course this effect is dose-dependent. It still has a mild androgenic component, meaning in high doses (30+ mg daily) androgen-mediated side-effects can be noted (acne, male pattern hair loss).


1 Serakovskii S, Mats'koviak I., Effect of methanedienone (methandrostenolone) on energy processes and carbohydrate metabolism in rat liver cells, Farmakol Toksikol 1981 Mar-Apr;44(2):213-7
 
they work ok together but i find that if i dont eat alot and often on dbol i feel like shit. you would probable be much better off with something else.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
the oestrogenic metabolites of dianabol are very potent and can increase adiposity. Though agree such fat gains are to a great extent diet and training dependent, it is also clear that reducing the oestrogenic metabolites will have an impact on adipose tissue gains.


only macro can type some outstanding shit like this....

STELLAR!!
 
iron22 said:
Found it
Heres what Big Cat had to say on Dbol in his profile about cellular respiration





1 Serakovskii S, Mats'koviak I., Effect of methanedienone (methandrostenolone) on energy processes and carbohydrate metabolism in rat liver cells, Farmakol Toksikol 1981 Mar-Apr;44(2):213-7

That's fuckin solid!
 
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