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Deca Shutdown or Tren Shutdown..?

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All right were at 2 different compounds with both serious shut down capabilities.....nandrolone's

The experienced bros.....shutdown...which one woulkd you rather sacrifice shutdown vs. gains...everyone IMHO would choose tren...

Its nothing proviron cant fix....hcg with tren every 4th week
 
I will never take tren or nandralone ever again. Its not worth it for me.

Test, EQ, Var, Winny, T-bol, GH, d-bol....there is just so many to chose that wont shut you down so hard...

It all comes down to diet anyway.
 
krishna said:
No way doooood
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How do you disagree with an opinion??

I have been around this game for a long time and I know many first hand that have lost girlfriends because of tren and deca messing then up.

So my statement, although doesnt apply to you, is correct.

the sides caused by Deca and Tren FOR ME, out weigh any benefits from taking it.
 
Test will stop your natural production of testosterone just the same as Tren will, I find Test, or any other AAS is just as difficult to recover from as Tren. So with that being said, if Tren affects you so badly, just dont take the shit. For myself and MANY others out there, Tren is just as tolerable as any other steroid. The only side effect I get from Tren is the ability to eat anything I wish and stay lean as hell :)
 
VascularitY said:
Test will stop your natural production of testosterone just the same as Tren will, I find Test, or any other AAS is just as difficult to recover from as Tren. So with that being said, if Tren affects you so badly, just dont take the shit. For myself and MANY others out there, Tren is just as tolerable as any other steroid. The only side effect I get from Tren is the ability to eat anything I wish and stay lean as hell :)
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You are a lucky one....

Tren, deca, and anadrol are all progestins. Progestrone causes much more problems with the HPTA and sexual function.

This issue is proven, so to say that tren and test shuts you down equally is wrong. Now that doesnt mean that goes for everyone, but in general is a correct statement.

Believe me, I wish I could take tren and get all the wonderful muscle building properties, but I cant.

Count your blessings!
 
lawnsaver said:
You are a lucky one....

Tren, deca, and anadrol are all progestins. Progestrone causes much more problems with the HPTA and sexual function.

This issue is proven, so to say that tren and test shuts you down equally is wrong. Now that doesnt mean that goes for everyone, but in general is a correct statement.

Believe me, I wish I could take tren and get all the wonderful muscle building properties, but I cant.

Count your blessings!
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you are absolutely correct as far as progestins and HPTA shutdown.

test will certainly shut a person down, but HPTA recovery is typically easier and faster, especially with an AI. yes, HCG helps the situation. i'd be curious about post-PCT test results from a tren or deca heavy cycle.
 
VascularitY said:
Test will stop your natural production of testosterone just the same as Tren will, I find Test, or any other AAS is just as difficult to recover from as Tren. So with that being said, if Tren affects you so badly, just dont take the shit. For myself and MANY others out there, Tren is just as tolerable as any other steroid. The only side effect I get from Tren is the ability to eat anything I wish and stay lean as hell :)
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You are so right bro.
 
thebrakes said:
you are absolutely correct as far as progestins and HPTA shutdown.

test will certainly shut a person down, but HPTA recovery is typically easier and faster, especially with an AI. yes, HCG helps the situation. i'd be curious about post-PCT test results from a tren or deca heavy cycle.
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This is bs. Just take bromo and you won't have to worry about it. Test shuts me down more than anything. You lose a large majority of your gains off of test cycles too because when you recover, you have way less test than you did when you were on. With testless nandrolone cycles, you have more test when you recover than you did while you were on, so the added androgen of test helps sustain gains better.
 
So the sides from the tren..sounds like a perfect winter AAS....Ive tried some shit but it was in the dead of summer....I couldn't tolerate the heat very well at all....

How about 1/2 a cc of tren rather than1 full cc....TREN A...Im talking about....

Anyone do eod with tren a..?

Im hoping my nexy cycle if it ever happens...Im going with tren and pregnyl

Krishna...very good arguement.....In all my years using gear...Ive never ever done a cycle without test....

But i was actually going to change my next cycle this time around....As soon as this Aflutop starts to help my elbow...
 
krishna said:
This is bs. Just take bromo and you won't have to worry about it. Test shuts me down more than anything. You lose a large majority of your gains off of test cycles too because when you recover, you have way less test than you did when you were on. With testless nandrolone cycles, you have more test when you recover than you did while you were on, so the added androgen of test helps sustain gains better.
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Ok, so what your saying is if I take bromo, distonex, or cabaser, that all the suppression from the substances won't happen?

So if thats the case, arimidex and all other substances similar will stop us all from shutting down?

I would like to see the data you have to back that up.

How can you take so broadly? You are able to speak for the entire body building community? Thats pretty cool.

I didnt realize I was speaking to such and expert....


I take everything I said back. I guess I am the only one in this world who has problems with deca, tren, and anadrol.

Wow, thats pretty cool. I single handedly started and spread the rumor that these drugs are harder to recover from.
 
lawnsaver said:
Ok, so what your saying is if I take bromo, distonex, or cabaser, that all the suppression from the substances won't happen?

So if thats the case, arimidex and all other substances similar will stop us all from shutting down?

I would like to see the data you have to back that up.

How can you take so broadly? You are able to speak for the entire body building community? Thats pretty cool.

I didnt realize I was speaking to such and expert....


I take everything I said back. I guess I am the only one in this world who has problems with deca, tren, and anadrol.

Wow, thats pretty cool. I single handedly started and spread the rumor that these drugs are harder to recover from.
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Elevated prolactin (from progestagenic coumpounds) will hinder post-cycle recovery of the HPTA. The use of cabergoline through a nandrolone cycle and PCT will greatly improve the recovery.

All AAS in BB'ing dosages shut down the HPTA. After a short cycle without nandrolones recovery should take about 3 weeks.

After a long cycle without nandrolones, recovery will take about 6 weeks unless HCG is used. When used properly, HCG can reduce recovery time to 3 weeks.

After a nandrolone cycle (without a dopamine agonist like cabergoline) recovery can be even longer than 6 weeks depending on the individual. Again, if prolactin is properly managed and HCG is used, recovery can be acheived in 3 weeks.
 
tren is an estrane,,and so is nandrolone,,,both are 19 nor compounds.

there are many different ways of naming a molecule..it can be confusing sometimes i agree
 
nydj66 said:
Elevated prolactin (from progestagenic coumpounds) will hinder post-cycle recovery of the HPTA. The use of cabergoline through a nandrolone cycle and PCT will greatly improve the recovery.

All AAS in BB'ing dosages shut down the HPTA. After a short cycle without nandrolones recovery should take about 3 weeks.

After a long cycle without nandrolones, recovery will take about 6 weeks unless HCG is used. When used properly, HCG can reduce recovery time to 3 weeks.

After a nandrolone cycle (without a dopamine agonist like cabergoline) recovery can be even longer than 6 weeks depending on the individual. Again, if prolactin is properly managed and HCG is used, recovery can be acheived in 3 weeks.
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What is up with these generalized statements. They are not true with everyone and most of the time its not true for the majority.

All steroids cause HPTA shutdown = TRUE

HCG will speed up recovery = True if used properly

Cabergoline can speed up recovery after taking tren, nandralone, or anadrol = TRUE

I am making a point that the 3 substances can and usually do make for a tougher and longer recovery compared to estrogenic steroids, no matter what other substances are taken with it = TRUE

I never said that test and other steroids were not suppressive. I did say that everyone is different. One thing might work for one and doesnt work for another.

We are all continuously taking what ever substances around to help us recover. Some work better, and some dont work at all.

But to say to all that read that Cabergoline is the solve all solution to recovery is misleading and that needs to be pointed out.

As I said in a post above, I took tren and test and with HCG, CLomid, and N-dex it still took me 6 months, another cycle with PCT to bring my test levels back up.

Cabergoline wasnt around yet, but it I had taken it, maybe it would have taken 3 months, but the point still remains that FOR ME it has never taken longer than 4 to 5 weeks for me to fully recover from a cycle not containing tren, nandralone, or anadrol.

TO ME that means it is easier to recover with the 3 mentioned above.
 
lanky said:
tren is an estrane,,and so is nandrolone,,,both are 19 nor compounds.

there are many different ways of naming a molecule..it can be confusing sometimes i agree
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Right you are bro.
 
krishna said:
It's a derivative of test correct? I think that's probably what he meant.
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you could say that..it would help if everyone brought up a picture from the internet on a picture of eq and a picture of testosterone..they could see for themselves the differences
 
10 weeks after a Tren E/andro275/clen cycle that i drew out over about 17 weeks (10 weeks on tren e). i used dostinex for the 10 weeks i was on tren e. i did 12,000 iu hcg on week 10, and i did 2 weeks of hcg 5,000 iu every 3rd day after the full cycle + nolvadex.
NO sex drive whatsoever after 10 weeks. I did the dostinex and HCG, but it did still completlet kill the sex drive. I'm gonna start another cyc in about 2 weeks or so...beleive it or not gonna go w/ Tren E again cuz the gains were UNREAL! This time i'm thinking of adding Priviron, more dostinex, and higher HCG doeses w/ some small sus doses after the Tren E. hoping a more aggressive pct will improve on the end of my tren e cycle shut down this time around.
 
falcyou said:
10 weeks after a Tren E/andro275/clen cycle that i drew out over about 17 weeks (10 weeks on tren e). i used dostinex for the 10 weeks i was on tren e. i did 12,000 iu hcg on week 10, and i did 2 weeks of hcg 5,000 iu every 3rd day after the full cycle + nolvadex.
NO sex drive whatsoever after 10 weeks. I did the dostinex and HCG, but it did still completlet kill the sex drive. I'm gonna start another cyc in about 2 weeks or so...beleive it or not gonna go w/ Tren E again cuz the gains were UNREAL! This time i'm thinking of adding Priviron, more dostinex, and higher HCG doeses w/ some small sus doses after the Tren E. hoping a more aggressive pct will improve on the end of my tren e cycle shut down this time around.
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This must be a lie !!!!

I was already proven wrong.

I shouldnt call you a liar....Sorry

Well, maybe I have someone like me who doesnt bouce back from tren so well.
 
The same way, you can use the word estrogen when estrogen is a class of hormones, not a hormone. For purposes of this board and discussion it's much less confusing to the members to keep it simple. When you start calling tren nandrolone you will end up confusing more people than anything else. Tren is NOT nandrolone and to say it's in the same class may be correct but your adding to the confusion.
Now go explain to everyone why estrogen is not a hormone. :)
 
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