Deca and Tren

[DIVISION]

Gotta disagree with you Div on one point. There is only ONE AR receptor. All androgens/anabolics will attach to it, they don't "compete" with each other simply b/c they're different compounds. I've used both together and separately, they are just as effective. However, as they are different compounds, the exert different anabolic effects via other means than simply increasing nitrogen retention. Thus, they would actually benefit from each other, not compete. As long as you have empty androgen receptors, ANY steroid you take will fill them. If you're taking more gear than you have androgen receptors, then binding affinity comes into play, but that is not the case here. All that aside, tren/deca can lead to progesterone sides and loss of sexual functioning. Unless you already know how they'll affect you, I'd pick one or the other, and have dostinex handy. Also, an HRT amount of test would be good for most people to keep sex drive normal.

I disagree, I read something different in Anabolics 2005.......I'll find it and post it up.....

You don't want to run two Nandrolone derivatives together.....they will compete for the same receptors.



DIV

 

[Tux]

Bro, Anabolics 2005 is RIPE with errors. Just b/c a "smart" guy wrote it, and much of the info is good, doesn't mean it all is. Deca is nandrolone, tren is a derivative of nandrolone but works via different pathways. According to your book knowledge, test/dbol is a crappy stack too, but no one here will buy that. Dbol is a direct derivative of test, but does it compete with test? NO. Again, there is only ONE AR receptor. Until you fill every single one, no steroid is going to preferentially bind to the receptors before another type. If you fill them ALL, well, then it doesn't matter what you take, you won't grow more. Basically, the idea that any steroids compete for the same receptor is pretty much groundless.

 

[Guvna]

i've heard that deca and tren "fight for same receptors" since they are both nandrolone based... but i dont know if that is just a myth or not.

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by this rational, why wouldnt dbol/test/eq "fight" for the same receptors.

 

[Guvna]

Bro, Anabolics 2005 is RIPE with errors. Just b/c a "smart" guy wrote it, and much of the info is good, doesn't mean it all is. Deca is nandrolone, tren is a derivative of nandrolone but works via different pathways. According to your book knowledge, test/dbol is a crappy stack too, but no one here will buy that. Dbol is a direct derivative of test, but does it compete with test? NO. Again, there is only ONE AR receptor. Until you fill every single one, no steroid is going to preferentially bind to the receptors before another type. If you fill them ALL, well, then it doesn't matter what you take, you won't grow more. Basically, the idea that any steroids compete for the same receptor is pretty much groundless.

exactly. k.

 

[DIVISION]

Bro, Anabolics 2005 is RIPE with errors. Just b/c a "smart" guy wrote it, and much of the info is good, doesn't mean it all is. Deca is nandrolone, tren is a derivative of nandrolone but works via different pathways. According to your book knowledge, test/dbol is a crappy stack too, but no one here will buy that. Dbol is a direct derivative of test, but does it compete with test? NO. Again, there is only ONE AR receptor. Until you fill every single one, no steroid is going to preferentially bind to the receptors before another type. If you fill them ALL, well, then it doesn't matter what you take, you won't grow more. Basically, the idea that any steroids compete for the same receptor is pretty much groundless.

How many errors have you seen in William Llewellyn's book?

List them......

The guy's a genius.

As far as what stacks work, that's really subjective because genetics play the biggest role in that. Not getting in to that argument.




DIV

 

[view]

Bro, Anabolics 2005 is RIPE with errors. Just b/c a "smart" guy wrote it, and much of the info is good, doesn't mean it all is. Deca is nandrolone, tren is a derivative of nandrolone but works via different pathways. According to your book knowledge, test/dbol is a crappy stack too, but no one here will buy that. Dbol is a direct derivative of test, but does it compete with test? NO. Again, there is only ONE AR receptor. Until you fill every single one, no steroid is going to preferentially bind to the receptors before another type. If you fill them ALL, well, then it doesn't matter what you take, you won't grow more. Basically, the idea that any steroids compete for the same receptor is pretty much groundless.

It is impossible to fill them all. The body upregulates receptors accordingly to the amount of hormone in the body

 

[LVTitan]

by this rational, why wouldnt dbol/test/eq "fight" for the same receptors.

i didnt say it was correct, i just said that i heard it..

 

[LVTitan]

But then again, I can see a guy saying he wants the benefits of tren but he wants some deca for joint benefits and isn't scared of "deca dick". As far as suppression, if we're talking HPTA suppression I hate to tell all these test freaks but TEST is in fact much more suppressive than deca. Even 200-400mg of test weekly causes near 100% suppression of natural test within a month or so. Deca simply gets it's reputation for suppression from the fact that it reduces natural test while not supplying any exogenous test.

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the reason they consider it a harder shutdown is not because of the fact that your natty production is stopped.. this is true w/all aas.

the reason it is a 'harder shutdown' is because RECOVERY is more difficult when using nandrolone compounds than test based compounds..
hope this clears it up for you a little.

titaN

 

[DIVISION]

i didnt say it was correct, i just said that i heard it..

Don't step in the middle of RoidWar babyTiTaN.....

could get messy.....




DIV

 

[Tux]

View, thanks for reinforcing my point. If you can't ever fill all your androgen receptors, then there is no possible way competition can occur. And Div, it's not an arguement as to what stack works better for certain people, we all know that. It's just that, by your logic, and Mr. Llewellyn's, test/dbol would not work b/c dbol is a derivative of test, just as tren is a derivative of nandrolone. Yet we all know that test/dbol works, very well, for almost everyone. Also, just b/c YOU think he's a genius doesn't mean he is... and even if he were, it doesn't mean he can't make a mistake. My IQ was tested at age 7 to be several points into the "genius potential" category... but am I always right? Hell no. However, in this case, I have science, as well as medical, anecdotal, and personal proof that I am. If you can show me any scientific study that shows that tren and deca, or any two AS for that matter, can "compete" for AR receptors, or that there are different receptors, I'll bow my head and admit I'm wrong. However, not gonna happen. Ask Llewellyn to provide some PROOF for his theories, i'm sure if he has it he won't mind showing you.... but I wouldn't count on him finding any proof, as I don't think any exists.