Deca @ 900mg/wk???

[lifthard2005]

bros - has anyone ran deca at 900mg a week? i am trying to decide if 900 will be better than 600/wk for my next cycle.

i have been up to 800mg/wk a few years ago, but not recently......

cycle looks like this so far

wk 1-16 test e @ 2250mg/wk
wk 1-16 eq @ 1200mg/wk
wk 1-12 deca @ either 600mg or 900mg/wk
wk 1-4 dbol @ 100mg ed
wk 9-12 anadrol @ 150mg ed
wk 17-21 prop @ 100mg eod
wk 17-21 tren @ 100mg eod
wk 17-21 masteron @ 100mg eod
wk 17-21 winny @ 100mg ed
wk 17-21 var @ 120mg ed

this will be my 13th cycle, age 35, 240lbs, 9-10% bf.......

so deca at 900? or keep it at 600 due to prolactin??

Also, which are better in terms of quality, naps or BD dbol??? Tell me why you prefer one over the other.

thanks bros.....those who know me wont be surprised at these doses, newb, do not try this at home!

 

[JuicedAthletics]

Well, I will only contribute what I can from personal experience. I can go up to 800mg of a nandrolone. After that, I cant get gyno under control. Maybe try 750mg as a medium between the two numbers...

Secondly, DAMN!!!! That is a serious cycle.. We need to see more of these around here...

Third, I love naps because I am a huge fan of 5mg dosing. I like being able to control my doses more accurately than 25mg and so on. But with that being said, I dont know if BD tabs are 5mg or not.. Quality wise, naps make me full and veiny. Dont seem to get puffy like other dianabol i have tried..

DAMN!!!! Nice cycle...

 

[lifthard2005]

cool, thanks bro. im calling this my winter bulker, with the last 5 week to dry out and harden up in time for spring!

im pretty sure im going with naps (bd dbols are 10mg/ea)....

i just keep reading how much people like the naps, plus, everything i read so far say naps kick in fastest, but im sure it depends on the person.

thanks for the input bro.....waiting for Ulter to sign in here and give me his thoughts...he likes high dosed cycles.

 

[52_21_30]

I've only ran deca at 900 once and got bad deca dick post cycle.

And you're not a noob so no lecture, but you MIGHT want to re-think that cycle. It seems to be overly complicated and way over-dosed. And if you really NEED that much gear to grow I think you need to look at your diet and training. You said this is your 13th cycle, and your stats certainly make sense, but I compete in the 220's and go up to 285-290 in the off season using just 1200 test/600 deca, and slin with a lot of food.

Also, the second part of your cycle looks like a contest prep. There's very few bro's that can run two phase cycles successfully like that, especially considering the massive amount of bloat youll be carrying around from the drol, dbol, deca, and that assload of test. You'll be so bloated you wont even notice the effects of the winny and masteron. Maybe consider running the deca a little less with tren E and either a dbol OR drol kickstart and drop the test down to around 1500? This way you can better utilize the compounds you have listed towards the end?


Again bro, I mean NO disrespect and I truly believe in this sport "to each his own" rings true more often than not. This is just my opinion, and I wish you the best of luck with whatever cycle you choose to run.

Oh and as far as nap's vs BD, as long as you're SURE your source is legit (naps are among the most faked AAS out there), i'd go with those. But really you cant go wrong with BD either.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

900mg nandrolone is tolerable for some users, however most people experience significant and very difficult to counter sides at those dosages. Even with AI's and dopaminergics.

if you are going to high end dose, reccomend NPP so at least if you start to encounter probablem you can quickly back off or even drop it (at least until issues resolve)

 

[Arabian]

Lift, 900 a week will shut you down hard... Did you make descent gains on 600? Your cycle looks great however 900 is a bit much in my opinion. good luck and keep us posted.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Lift, 900 a week will shut you down hard...
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agree, though as with anything there are exceptions to the "shut down rule" (however, one should keep in mind that as a general rule such doses of nandrolone are highly suppressive)

 

[Arabian]

agree, though as with anything there are exceptions to the "shut down rule" (however, one should keep in mind that as a general rule such doses of nandrolone are highly suppressive)

You make a great point...

 

[Arabian]

The cycle is strong however I would be concerned with severe gyno and recovery.. I would imagine you will need some serious time to recoup natural levels.. good luck bro

 

[P01NTBL4NK]

DAAAMn dude thats an advanced ass cycle dont hurt yourself I am sure you know what you are doing though good luck man you should post pics of what you look like after that cycle heh you are alrdy big youll be a monster =D

 

[ThepoolGuy]

I couldnt handle that cycle. Good luck man why did you put the anadrol in at week 9-12.

 

[lifthard2005]

i have the drol mi cyucle to give me another boost, like the dbol will in the begining. winny at the end to help with the details and dry me out a little.....

 

[BuddaBill]

bros - has anyone ran deca at 900mg a week? i am trying to decide if 900 will be better than 600/wk for my next cycle.

i have been up to 800mg/wk a few years ago, but not recently......

cycle looks like this so far

wk 1-16 test e @ 2250mg/wk
wk 1-16 eq @ 1200mg/wk
wk 1-12 deca @ either 600mg or 900mg/wk
wk 1-4 dbol @ 100mg ed
wk 9-12 anadrol @ 150mg ed
wk 17-21 prop @ 100mg eod
wk 17-21 tren @ 100mg eod
wk 17-21 masteron @ 100mg eod
wk 17-21 winny @ 100mg ed
wk 17-21 var @ 120mg ed

this will be my 13th cycle, age 35, 240lbs, 9-10% bf.......

so deca at 900? or keep it at 600 due to prolactin??

Also, which are better in terms of quality, naps or BD dbol??? Tell me why you prefer one over the other.

thanks bros.....those who know me wont be surprised at these doses, newb, do not try this at home!

WOW!! I love this cycle!! It's like a swiss army knife.
I would run EQ throughout however, but to be honest I have no place offering suggestions cause some of these dosages are borderline scary to me. My .02: As far as Deca dosing goes it seems that you have so much going on already that there probably won't be a huge difference between 600 and 900. If it were me I'd just save the extra Deca for the next cycle, but hey, I'm cheap like that.
Peace
BuddaBill

 

[lartinos]

With certain drugs I don't get anything positive after a certain dose. Deca and d-bol being two drugs that come to mind. 30mg's d-bol and anything over 350mg's deca i get nothing but sides

 

[lifthard2005]

ok, final decision is this:

wk 1-16 test e @ 1500mg/wk
wk 1-12 deca @ 600mg/wk
wk 1-16 EQ @ 1200mg/wk
wk 1-4, 9-12 Dbol @ 100mg ed
wk 17-21 prop @ 100mg eod (or 50mg ed)
wk 17-21 tren a @ 100mg eod (or 50mg ed)
wk 17-21 masteron @ 100mg eod (or 50mg ed)
wk 17-21 winstrol @ 150mg ed
wk 1-21 AIFM as needed

* Nolva on hand (yes i am aware not to use it with a 19-nor)
* Dostinex on hand as well for prolactin surges

PCT:

wk 21 HCG @ 500iu for 10 days
wk 22 nolva @ 40mg ed
wk 23 nolva @ 30mg ed
wk 24 Nolva @ 20mg ed
wk 22-24 Clomid @ 50mg ed
wk 21-24 Tribulus (for libido)

Couple questions for you bros.

1. Would you use Test E or Test Cyp in this cycle?
2. Would you shot ED for the last 5 weeks, or keep it at EOD?
3. Will AIFM be strong enough as the AI of choice, or should I get some Letro?
4. Would you keep the Dbol as is, or change it out for Anadrol @ 150mg ED?
5. What would you change, if anything, for my PCT since this is a very high, and long cycle?

You guys rock.....I appreciate everyone taking time to help me out here. I will definatley take photos, probably every 3 weeks during as well as a log for this cycle. Feel free to PM me with any questions or comments!!

LIFTHARD!

 

[shivastool]

That much EQ would just wreck my blood pressure...but I like it otherwise!

 

[lifthard2005]

ok, final decision is this:

wk 1-16 test e @ 1500mg/wk
wk 1-12 deca @ 600mg/wk
wk 1-16 EQ @ 1200mg/wk
wk 1-4, 9-12 Dbol @ 100mg ed
wk 17-21 prop @ 100mg eod (or 50mg ed)
wk 17-21 tren a @ 100mg eod (or 50mg ed)
wk 17-21 masteron @ 100mg eod (or 50mg ed)
wk 17-21 winstrol @ 150mg ed
wk 1-21 AIFM as needed

* Nolva on hand (yes i am aware not to use it with a 19-nor)
* Dostinex on hand as well for prolactin surges

PCT:

wk 21 HCG @ 500iu for 10 days
wk 22 nolva @ 40mg ed
wk 23 nolva @ 30mg ed
wk 24 Nolva @ 20mg ed
wk 22-24 Clomid @ 50mg ed
wk 21-24 Tribulus (for libido)

Couple questions for you bros.

1. Would you use Test E or Test Cyp in this cycle?
2. Would you shot ED for the last 5 weeks, or keep it at EOD?
3. Will AIFM be strong enough as the AI of choice, or should I get some Letro?
4. Would you keep the Dbol as is, or change it out for Anadrol @ 150mg ED?
5. What would you change, if anything, for my PCT since this is a very high, and long cycle?
You guys rock.....I appreciate everyone taking time to help me out here. I will definatley take photos, probably every 3 weeks during as well as a log for this cycle. Feel free to PM me with any questions or comments!!

LIFTHARD!

BROS, LOOKING FOR ANSWERS ON THESE.....

 

[lifthard2005]

bump

 

[galaxy]

Only go 8 weeks with the deca at that dose. Progesterone sides will start to rear there ugly head around week 7. Just run winny for the last 4 weeks and youll be fine.

 

[1Mistake2006]

whew...ok...900mgs of Deca is a HUGE dose...BUT your other doses are pretty high also. I've been in this game for a long time and I bet you can make the same gains on almost half those amounts(unless you never come off) No diss my friend, just real world experience!

J

 

[52_21_30]

guys he said he was dropping the deca to 600

 

[52_21_30]

ok, final decision is this:

wk 1-16 test e @ 1500mg/wk
wk 1-12 deca @ 600mg/wk
wk 1-16 EQ @ 1200mg/wk
wk 1-4, 9-12 Dbol @ 100mg ed
wk 17-21 prop @ 100mg eod (or 50mg ed)
wk 17-21 tren a @ 100mg eod (or 50mg ed)
wk 17-21 masteron @ 100mg eod (or 50mg ed)
wk 17-21 winstrol @ 150mg ed
wk 1-21 AIFM as needed

* Nolva on hand (yes i am aware not to use it with a 19-nor)
* Dostinex on hand as well for prolactin surges

PCT:

wk 21 HCG @ 500iu for 10 days
wk 22 nolva @ 40mg ed
wk 23 nolva @ 30mg ed
wk 24 Nolva @ 20mg ed
wk 22-24 Clomid @ 50mg ed
wk 21-24 Tribulus (for libido)

Couple questions for you bros.

1. Would you use Test E or Test Cyp in this cycle?
2. Would you shot ED for the last 5 weeks, or keep it at EOD?
3. Will AIFM be strong enough as the AI of choice, or should I get some Letro?
4. Would you keep the Dbol as is, or change it out for Anadrol @ 150mg ED?
5. What would you change, if anything, for my PCT since this is a very high, and long cycle?

You guys rock.....I appreciate everyone taking time to help me out here. I will definatley take photos, probably every 3 weeks during as well as a log for this cycle. Feel free to PM me with any questions or comments!!

LIFTHARD!

Looks better bro. Trust me 1500 is plenty of test. My $.02 on your Q's:

1. Cyp vs E. Looking at a difference of one carbon atom in the ester. Id go with whatever you can get cheaper (but most enan and cyp I've seen is the same price, unless you have a hook-up)
2. I'd go ED only because I prefer the tren ED. Makes a world of difference vs EOD for me. Also you'll have less volume cc-wise ED than you would EOD, which will allow you to use smaller muscles for inj. sites.
3. I would NOT use Letro. It will destroy your libido. I'd go with AIFM or aromasin. I use aromasin because I personally have great results on it, it doesnt touch my libido, and it has been shown to actually improve your lipid profile. Never tried AIFM personally but there's so much positive feedback on here you probably can't go wrong either way.
4. Dbol vs Drol all depends on what success you've had with each in the past. Drol works great for me but makes me feel like shit. They'll probably both puff you out a bit, but like I said, go with what works better for you. Dbol always made me feel like I'm on top of the world, but so will 1500 of test lol. I guess if I had to choose I'd take the dbol.
5. As far as PCT the only thing I'd change is to stretch it out over 6 weeks to be safe. Also if you feel like you're starting to drag ass, hop on some IGF-1. It works wonderfully in PCT, especially since you need to keep your cals up to retain the muscle and you can eat all the carbs in sight without putting on fat.

Best of luck bud. Keep us all posted.

 

[lifthard2005]

cool, thanks guys......i will probably do the ed shots at half the dose to keep it steady...deca will be ran for 12 weeks at 600mg/wk.

 

[jagerbombme]

i liked cyp over enanth, but as people have said too, enanth felt "cleaner" to me, but cyp gave me more bloat but more strength

 

[diaz69]

whatever test you prefer... i think u shud shoot everyday seeing that ur using tren much easier to control sides and seeing that u are running ur cycle for so long u dont want to be combating tomany sides for most the cycle... never really heard much of aifm but id have letro on hand for a cycle like this... i would prob go with drol seeing that ur running such a high amount of dbol... and i like drol better lol... i like the cycle u have laid out and i run similar cycles but nowhere near the amounts and a few 2many compounds... if ur confident with the cycle then dontchange a thing.. i would run the nolva for atleast 5 - 6 weeks and wot ever else u run with pct.. good luck and keep safe

 

[iHulk]

thats a freak run right there, Holy Shizzle Lifthard, you ain't fuggin around.

The last 5 weeks (wk 17-21) will be your toughest since all those compounds require frequent doses. Stanz at 100mg makes me wicked edgy and gives me some really high BP, so good luck on shoveling down 150mg of stanz. Unless its winny depot in which case you will become a human pin cushion. But hey, something has to give.
I like the setup. Keep us posted.

 

[chestmaster1]

thats a shitload of eq. Have you ran it that high before?

 

[LiquidPhire]

thats a shitload of eq. Have you ran it that high before?

haha its a shitload of EVERYTHING

 

[T-Matt]

10 Things...

#1) I hope you have all your gear at high concentrations because no matter how you slice it, that's a lot of oil to be injecting in your muscles bro.. Who am I to talk though, I've ran a cycle similar to that before..

#2) You need to add in some proviron to free up all that test bro. Test without proviron is a Ford Focus, add in some proviron and you've got a V12.

#3) Use AIFM with your cycle. AIFM blocks an enzyme that reduces boldenone. By reducing the reducing agent with the AIFM, boldenone will be more effective. Macro can chime in on this to clarify my point

#4) Do SOME cardio bro. If you're going to be eating big and taking all this gear, do your heart and breathing a favor and do some HIIT cardio..

#5) Get some PureCEE, Sesapure, and Glucorell.. It baffles my mind when people ask "Ummm, do I really need creatine if I'm juicing?" OF COURSE!! AAS help you recover faster and make your body more efficient with macronutrients, creatine helps you work out longer and harder.

Sesapure will help you continue to feel like a bottomless pit.

Glucorell will keep you from feeling bloated after all the 7000 calorie days you're going to have. It will also keep your insulin in check so that you can maximize lean muscle mass gains.

#6) Watch your sodiumotassium intake.. Take a potassium supplement as well as some Glutamine because your muscles are going to be growing like weeds and you're going to cramp up like crazy...

#7) Do a workout regime that you've never done before. Look into Escalating Density Training or German Volume Training. If you're going to take THAT much gear make this a life changing run, really pack on the mass and change your physique forever.

#8) Eat as clean as possible.. If you're going to run this much gear do your body a favor and feed it right. Get some Udo's choice or similar quality fat supplement to add additional clean calories. You're going to see that it is extremely difficult to get in 6000 clean calories. When I ran a cycle like this it would be 8:30 in the evening and I only had 4000 calories when I needed 6500, a couple tablespoons of Udo's oil is nearly 500 extra quality calories and that really helps out.

#9) Get some Vitamin B injections.. There are so many benefits I'll just save you the the time and just mention them.

#10) Take pictures every 4 weeks to view your progress.

Keep us posted, I'd love to see a daily log from you bro..

T-Matt

 

[52_21_30]

With all that test, deca, and dbol I dont know if it will be possible for him to do any cardio. Depends on how his body responds to pumps and whatnot. Even walking like 2.5 mph on a treadmill will get his calves and anterior tib so full of blood it'll be paralyzing (at least it is for me at 1+ g test). He may be able to get away with a bike. But even then, all that water retention is hard to pump against.

 

[T-Matt]

With all that test, deca, and dbol I dont know if it will be possible for him to do any cardio. Depends on how his body responds to pumps and whatnot. Even walking like 2.5 mph on a treadmill will get his calves and anterior tib so full of blood it'll be paralyzing (at least it is for me at 1+ g test). He may be able to get away with a bike. But even then, all that water retention is hard to pump against.

That's why I make it a point to watch his sodiumotassium intake.. That is VERY important with water retention and blood pressure..

http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T154575.html -> explains Na/K imbalance...

If he can't do cardio, the very least that he can do is to keep his rest intervals short.

lol, I know what you mean about the anterior tib getting pumped up.. When I was on over a gram of EQ/wk I'd get so pumped walking down stairs that I'd have to stop and sit down until the pump went away..

T-Matt

 

[dim]

With all the respect but wtf with all these high doses?And people seem to encourage him,go figure.

 

[BuddaBill]

With all the respect but wtf with all these high doses?And people seem to encourage him,go figure.

It's his 13th cycle and he's a grown ass man.
I, for one, am very interested in his results.

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

It's his 13th cycle and he's a grown ass man.
I, for one, am very interested in his results.

I am interested in his results too, but I will be honest, I would think that if he cut everything in 1/2, he would still get 90% of the results with a lot less sides.

100mg of Dbol a day? Try walking a flight of stairs, and see how you feel. Forget about squats and deads. And the headaches. I am starting to hurt just thinking about what this guy is going to do, but as you said, he is experienced and should know what he is doing.

If he turns into a monster without getting crushed by the side effects that are going to come from everywhere, then more power to him.

Stay safe.

Later,


Bluesman

 

[lifthard2005]

I am interested in his results too, but I will be honest, I would think that if he cut everything in 1/2, he would still get 90% of the results with a lot less sides.

100mg of Dbol a day? Try walking a flight of stairs, and see how you feel. Forget about squats and deads. And the headaches. I am starting to hurt just thinking about what this guy is going to do, but as you said, he is experienced and should know what he is doing.

If he turns into a monster without getting crushed by the side effects that are going to come from everywhere, then more power to him.

Stay safe.

Later,


Bluesman

I have never ran dbol under 100mg/day...once was doing 150mg/day for 3 weeks...back pumps were so bad i couldnt walk.

as far as my doses being high, if i begin to have more sides than results, i will begin to lower my doses until the cycle/doses are tolerable within means. i have ran EQ at 1200mg/wk before and loved it. I did have anxiety from it, but i am also on Lexapro which helps control that.

planning on starting this in mid january or begining of february and i am definately taking pics and keeping a log of sides, results, and my outlook on how i am felling both physically and emotionally.