Dear Barack: You're Wrong About Small Town America

[hanselthecaretaker]

Monday, April 14th, 2008 @ 4:02 am | Second Amendment, taxes, obama, democrats, hillary, by Will Manly, 2008 election, war on terrorism
BY WILL MANLY

Dear Barack Obama:

I grew to like you over the last year.

I’ve always thought of you as dangerously naive at best. Eloquent, gifted, genuine, yes. But dangerously naive at best.

I couldn’t vote for you — but not because of your funny name or your lunatic pastor. I couldn’t vote for you because you say we should raise taxes (even on the rich, who I’m convinced already pay too much), and because you say we should abandon Iraq (which I’m convinced would be surrendering a war we must win), and because you don’t respect the Second Amendment (which I’m convinced should disqualify any politician from any office).

Still, I’ve liked your message of unity and your ability to inspire. And, since your rise I’ve hunted, quite frantically, for young conservative leaders with your talent. (To my relief, I found Bobby Jindal.)

And I’ve long said if you beat Hillary Clinton, you will have done your country a tremendous service. But anymore I’m having a harder and harder time rooting for you.


First came your wife’s comment about being proud of America for the first time — conveniently, right after you started winning primaries. Then came your own words about your grandmother, who is just a “typical white person” — a racist, or at least someone with racist tendencies. (I’m a “typical white person,” I suppose, and I’m no racist. In fact, little makes me angrier than when it’s insinuated I am.)

Sometimes people say things they don’t really mean. But this is a pattern.

Last week we heard your comments about small-town America. Someone at a San Francisco fundraiser asked you why it’s so hard for Democrats to win in rural areas. You said:

“You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them … So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them … ”

Is that a minority? HEY CLETUS, GET THE GUN! (If only we had a job to go to, some time in the last 25 years … )

Here’s a thought: Maybe gun rights voters know gun control laws kill people and steal freedom.

Here’s a thought: Maybe some of us have moral objections to an immigration system that forces rule-followers to wait decades for legal status, and rewards border-violators with amnesty.

Here’s a thought: Maybe some Americans cling to their church because their pastor is a nice person, because they find love there, because there they have something they can believe in.

Here’s a thought: Maybe, just maybe, us simpletons in small towns find it harder to be bigoted than all o’ y’all cityfolk. Maybe, in small towns, where everybody knows your name — and how hard you work, if you pay your taxes, how well you treat your neighbors, how often you volunteer in the community, and whether or not you’re a good parent — people see the content of your character, so they don’t give a hoot about the color of your skin. (But I grew up in a small town where about a third of the population is of a different race than me. What do I know?)

And here’s my favorite thought of all: Maybe small-town folks are — really — capable of thinking. All on our own.

You’re wrong about why small-town Americans don’t vote for Democrats.

We don’t vote for Democrats because we’re self-reliant so we don’t like the government trying to “solve” everything for us. And because you tell your rich friends in San Francisco that we’re dumb. And because, each election, whichever one of you is running for president traipses all over the country telling us you have all the answers, that you’re the one on our side, that you respect our way of life. But each time, a little bit here and there slips out — and by the end of the campaign, we can tell what you think about us. And we manage to learn who you really are.

And we see you’re just a horse’s ass.

 

[Razorguns]

Oh shit, now you've pissed Dial Tone off!

r

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Oh shit, now you've pissed Dial Tone off!

r

Shit Cletus! I'mz gonna grab me gun and go hide o'er der!! DERR DERRR!

 

[SpyWizard]

Wow, that was to the point now wasn't it.??

 

[Dial_tone]

We don’t vote for Democrats because we’re self-reliant so we don’t like the government trying to “solve” everything for us.

So y'all will be sending those farm subsidy checks back then?

 

[binö]

hansel yo/u asshole answer meeememememme~~~!!!!
i work with a chica from c-town named holly miller
know her

 

[puddlemonkey]

hansel yo/u asshole answer meeememememme~~~!!!!
i work with a chica from c-town named holly miller
know her

She hot?

 

[needtogetarmy]

Obama = cocksucker

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

So y'all will be sending those farm subsidy checks back then?

Farmers arguably have it worse than anybody these days.

 

[puddlemonkey]

hansel yo/u asshole answer meeememememme~~~!!!!
i work with a chica from c-town named holly miller
know her

This one?

 

[binö]

This one?

my comp is too slow to click links

but she munches rug
kinda cute though
fire chics=not hot

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

hansel yo/u asshole answer meeememememme~~~!!!!
i work with a chica from c-town named holly miller
know her

Miller is familiar. Ironic cuz it's also the last name of the chic I'm seeing now. Bro I've been outta the Cally scene for nearly a decade, probably a younger sister of Loralee. Didn't know her at all though.

I thought you were in Vegas or something.

 

[binö]

Miller is familiar. Bro I've been outta the Cally scene for nearly a decade, probably a younger sister of Loralee. Didn't know her at all though.

lol, miller is pretty familiar across the country
she talked shit about your johnson, said it was small and unfunctional
but how random is that, meeting a calcity chica in nevada?
gaytown>calcity

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

lol, miller is pretty familiar across the country
she talked shit about your johnson, said it was small and unfunctional
but how random is that, meeting a calcity chica in nevada?
gaytown>calcity

Don't diss Cal-city man, it was only like 18 votes away from being MI's state capital way back in the day.

 

[Ffactor]

Nope, he is absolutely on the ball. There are 50-60 million uneducated blue collar whites who would rather see this country disintegerate into a 3rd world nation rather than vote for a black guy and that is very very dangerous and a clear indication that democracy in this country may be failing. I'm for a republican democracy where these people don't get voting rights. Same goes for the ghetto blacks. Controversial, yes but must be done before we disintegrate like the Roman empire.

 

[javaguru]

Farmers arguably have it worse than anybody these days.

Not with record prices for crops, small time farmers took a beating in the eighties. Most of the crops are produced by large corporate farms and not family farmers, we lost a lot of those in the eighties .

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Not with record prices for crops, small time farmers took a beating in the eighties. Most of the crops are produced by large corporate farms and not family farmers, we lost a lot of those in the eighties .

Key word.

 

[Cutiebaby]

omg, I love it!

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Nope, he is absolutely on the ball. There are 50-60 million uneducated blue collar whites who would rather see this country disintegerate into a 3rd world nation rather than vote for a black guy and that is very very dangerous and a clear indication that democracy in this country may be failing. I'm for a republican democracy where these people don't get voting rights. Same goes for the ghetto blacks. Controversial, yes but must be done before we disintegrate like the Roman empire.

"Uneducated" blue collar whites have been around as long as the country. Democracy however primarily started failing when we stopped respecting them. This country is now more torn apart/corrupt than it ever has been, excluding the Civil War/reconstruction yrs.


In just the past 50 yrs, look at a few standout examples of what's on the up and up...

-Divorce rates.
-Single parents.
-Delinquent kids and the dumbass parents who failed to raise them.
-Feminism, which is primarily responsible for the above three.
-Wife beaters (I thought the numerous civil/womens rights laws were going to take care of this and other destructive personal habits that persist. Shit there are more domestic problems per capita than there ever have been).
-Husband beaters (shit...who would've fucking thought...must be a bi product of all the pussified men that the feminist movement has created).
-Racial inequities that will always be here, cue the laws of nature.
-Run down cities (large sections of Detroit for example, law enforcement of all people say the hell with it).
-Illegal immigration.
-Slutty women who don't know how to respect themselves, spreading disease and unwanted kids, because the deadbeat dad probably ran out (not his responsibility ).
-Dumbass grown men who for some reason never learned to think with much other than their dicks (this and its preceding female equivalent are one in the same, largely resulting in the same outcome).

-Arrogance- one of the biggest problems these days is few people seem to have any shame anymore. Do something wrong? Big fuckin deal, here's some money now go away while I fuck something else up for someone else.

-Irresponsibility- like arrogance, only more damaging. You know why we have so many labels for people these days? So no one can be held accountable for fuck ups. Brilliant. Meanwhile the shit just keeps getting deeper because people are either too afraid to speak up about so and so because they're this or that, or they simply stop giving a fuck...which is a depressing attitude I pick up on more and more across the many facets of life. Also why real change is never being made.

-Cynicism- A parent of the previous two, but is typically the culmination of prolonged exposure to any/all of the above. Look around the EF boards and out in real life; same thing, and it punctuates the downward spiral of society that is becoming more and more prevalent.


Sure we have better medical/scientific/tech advances but those are beside the above points. And who's to say they couldn't have been even better if they weren't surrounded by all the red tape that's attached to nearly anything good these days. Can't have big government without a big-assed, clusterfucked legal system to back it up now can we.
The only reason people have the illusion that things are good in this country is because liberal media conglomerates spoon feed them their news every day. And they eat it up every day, and will continue doing so until they're one day surrounded by a big pile of shit called their life with nothing left but a big question mark above their heads.

 

[binö]

damn good post hansel

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

damn good post hansel

I had one of those whadayou call em...moments of clarity where the anger just seemed to flow. I had to get it all out before the long weekend kicks in.

"Uneducated" blue collar whites have been around as long as the country. Democracy however primarily started failing when we stopped respecting them. This country is now more torn apart/corrupt than it ever has been, excluding the Civil War/reconstruction yrs.


In just the past 50 yrs, look at a few standout examples of what's on the up and up...

-Divorce rates.
-Single parents.
-Delinquent kids and the dumbass parents who failed to raise them.
-Feminism, which is primarily responsible for the above three.
-Wife beaters (I thought the numerous civil/womens rights laws were going to take care of this and other destructive personal habits that persist. Shit there are more domestic problems per capita than there ever have been).
-Husband beaters (shit...who would've fucking thought...must be a bi product of all the pussified men that the feminist movement has created).
-Racial inequities that will always be here, cue the laws of nature.
-Run down cities (large sections of Detroit for example, law enforcement of all people say the hell with it).
-Illegal immigration.
-Slutty women who don't know how to respect themselves, spreading disease and unwanted kids, because the deadbeat dad probably ran out (not his responsibility ).
-Dumbass grown men who for some reason never learned to think with much other than their dicks (this and its preceding female equivalent are one in the same, largely resulting in the same outcome).

-Arrogance- one of the biggest problems these days is few people seem to have any shame anymore. Do something wrong? Big fuckin deal, here's some money now go away while I fuck something else up for someone else.

-Irresponsibility- like arrogance, only more damaging. You know why we have so many labels for people these days? So no one can be held accountable for fuck ups. Brilliant. Meanwhile the shit just keeps getting deeper because people are either too afraid to speak up about so and so because they're this or that, or they simply stop giving a fuck...which is a depressing attitude I pick up on more and more across the many facets of life. Also why real change is never being made.

-Cynicism- A parent of the previous two, but is typically the culmination of prolonged exposure to any/all of the above. Look around the EF boards and out in real life; same thing, and it punctuates the downward spiral of society that is becoming more and more prevalent.


Sure we have better medical/scientific/tech advances but those are beside the above points. And who's to say they couldn't have been even better if they weren't surrounded by all the red tape that's attached to nearly anything good these days. Can't have big government without a big-assed, clusterfucked legal system to back it up now can we.
The only reason people have the illusion that things are good in this country is because liberal media conglomerates spoon feed them their news every day. And they eat it up every day, and will continue doing so until they're one day surrounded by a big pile of shit called their life with nothing left but a big question mark above their heads.

 

[binö]

I had one of those whadayou call em...moments of clarity where the anger just seemed to flow. I had to get it all out before the long weekend kicks in.

seems like you've gotten more conservative over the years bro
it's what happens when you work for a living...seems like all my family rich bros are liberal douches.
while the hardworking bros are more righty.
i gotta work all weekend

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

seems like you've gotten more conservative over the years bro
it's what happens when you work for a living...seems like all my family rich bros are liberal douches.
while the hardworking bros are more righty.
i gotta work all weekend

What's more personally rewarding, fixing your car yourself, or sending it to a garage and paying someone else to do it?

The answer to that simple question can tell you a lot about one's personality/character.

.....I'm trying to think of a wiminz equivalent for that....ladies help me out.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

seems like you've gotten more conservative over the years bro
it's what happens when you work for a living...seems like all my family rich bros are liberal douches.
while the hardworking bros are more righty.
i gotta work all weekend

It started the last couple years I was in school. But I think it's also partly how you're raised too. a+b=c

 

[Ffactor]

"Uneducated" blue collar whites have been around as long as the country. Democracy however primarily started failing when we stopped respecting them. This country is now more torn apart/corrupt than it ever has been, excluding the Civil War/reconstruction yrs.


In just the past 50 yrs, look at a few standout examples of what's on the up and up...

-Divorce rates.
-Single parents.
-Delinquent kids and the dumbass parents who failed to raise them.
-Feminism, which is primarily responsible for the above three.
-Wife beaters (I thought the numerous civil/womens rights laws were going to take care of this and other destructive personal habits that persist. Shit there are more domestic problems per capita than there ever have been).
-Husband beaters (shit...who would've fucking thought...must be a bi product of all the pussified men that the feminist movement has created).
-Racial inequities that will always be here, cue the laws of nature.
-Run down cities (large sections of Detroit for example, law enforcement of all people say the hell with it).
-Illegal immigration.
-Slutty women who don't know how to respect themselves, spreading disease and unwanted kids, because the deadbeat dad probably ran out (not his responsibility ).
-Dumbass grown men who for some reason never learned to think with much other than their dicks (this and its preceding female equivalent are one in the same, largely resulting in the same outcome).

-Arrogance- one of the biggest problems these days is few people seem to have any shame anymore. Do something wrong? Big fuckin deal, here's some money now go away while I fuck something else up for someone else.

-Irresponsibility- like arrogance, only more damaging. You know why we have so many labels for people these days? So no one can be held accountable for fuck ups. Brilliant. Meanwhile the shit just keeps getting deeper because people are either too afraid to speak up about so and so because they're this or that, or they simply stop giving a fuck...which is a depressing attitude I pick up on more and more across the many facets of life. Also why real change is never being made.

-Cynicism- A parent of the previous two, but is typically the culmination of prolonged exposure to any/all of the above. Look around the EF boards and out in real life; same thing, and it punctuates the downward spiral of society that is becoming more and more prevalent.


Sure we have better medical/scientific/tech advances but those are beside the above points. And who's to say they couldn't have been even better if they weren't surrounded by all the red tape that's attached to nearly anything good these days. Can't have big government without a big-assed, clusterfucked legal system to back it up now can we.
The only reason people have the illusion that things are good in this country is because liberal media conglomerates spoon feed them their news every day. And they eat it up every day, and will continue doing so until they're one day surrounded by a big pile of shit called their life with nothing left but a big question mark above their heads.

Exactly, look which socio-economic groups those numbers are concentrated in. I'm not vene sure we are that far ahead in terms of medical/secientific/tech adnavces anymore.

 

[Smurfy]

Exactly, look which socio-economic groups those numbers are concentrated in. I'm not vene sure we are that far ahead in terms of medical/secientific/tech adnavces anymore.

what about spelling or typing? how advanced are we there?

 

[Ffactor]

what about spelling or typing? how advanced are we there?

I think in smelling and wiping we are far ahead than anybody else. Awe you still in spwecial edd? Hows that going for you?

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Exactly, look which socio-economic groups those numbers are concentrated in. I'm not vene sure we are that far ahead in terms of medical/secientific/tech adnavces anymore.

True, I never denied the existence of poor (insert color) trash, but the main difference is that rich people can more easily make their problems disappear. Human behavior is not dependent upon income. Hard work and sacrifice are what mainly build character and integrity. Watching what people do for /with their money is another indicator.

 

[Ffactor]

True, I never denied the existence of poor (insert color) trash, but the main difference is that rich people can more easily make their problems disappear. Human behavior is not dependent upon income. Hard work and sacrifice are what mainly build character and integrity. Watching what people will do for more money than what they have a need for is another way to judge them.

Don't be afraid to say it. They are the reason why Bush won two terms using patriotism as a mareketing tool. These poeple are juts two dumb to understand that. Now we are in the mess we are in, the climb back will be a long hard process. India and China will take over as superpowers.

 

[Smurfy]

I think in smelling and wiping we are far ahead than anybody else. Awe you still in spwecial edd? Hows that going for you?

Im a star pupil

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Don't be afraid to say it. They are the reason why Bush won two terms using patriotism as a mareketing tool. These poeple are juts two dumb to understand that. Now we are in the mess we are in, the climb back will be a long hard process. India and China will take over as superpowers.

It didn't start with Bush; it's been a long ongoing process. There are many forms of misery depending on how you look at it too. Bush is too easy a scapegoat for the slide the country's been on for the past few decades. Wouldn't be much different if Gore had been elected.

Besides, you do realize that Bush lost the popular vote.

 

[Ffactor]

It didn't start with Bush; it's been a long ongoing process. There are many forms of misery depending on how you look at it too. Bush is too easy a scapegoat for the slide the country's been on for the past few decades. Wouldn't be much different if Gore had been elected.

Besides, you do realize that Bush lost the popular vote.

Not the second time. Look at Kentucky and West Virginia, exit polls show that race was a major factor. People basically admitted to strangers that they would not vote for Obama because he is black.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Not the second time. Look at Kentucky and West Virginia, exit polls show that race was a major factor. People basically admitted to strangers that they would not vote for Obama because he is black.

What are you getting at exactly? There are morons in every race. Whites are still in the majority. If that ever changes whites will have it much worse, because we're somehow responsible for everything that's wrong in the world and all the races we've ever oppressed are itching to pay us back for it. We'll see how elevated their senses of compassion and rationality are then.

 

[javaguru]

What are you getting at exactly? There are morons in every race. Whites are still in the majority. If that ever changes whites will have it much worse, because we're somehow responsible for everything that's wrong in the world lol.

Obama gave Hillary a beat down in lily white Iowa. I wonder how much Rev Wright has hurt Obama.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Obama gave Hillary a beat down in lily white Iowa. I wonder how much Rev Wright has hurt Obama.

White guilt?

If we believe strongly enough then Obama will truly unite the country.

 

[EnderJE]

White guilt?

If we believe strongly enough then Obama will truly unite the country.

Exactly! England had Churchill, Germany has Hitler, and Japan has Godzilla.

 

[Ffactor]

What are you getting at exactly? There are morons in every race. Whites are still in the majority. If that ever changes whites will have it much worse, because we're somehow responsible for everything that's wrong in the world and all the races we've ever oppressed are itching to pay us back for it. We'll see how elevated their senses of compassion and rationality are then.

Exactly my point. The number of morons in the white race exceed by far the number of morons in other races as whites make up about 70% of the country. If they are willing to choose a bad candidate just because of race it has dangerous impliocations in terms of the strngth and stability of the country.

 

[binö]

What are you getting at exactly? There are morons in every race. Whites are still in the majority. If that ever changes whites will have it much worse, because we're somehow responsible for everything that's wrong in the world and all the races we've ever oppressed are itching to pay us back for it. We'll see how elevated their senses of compassion and rationality are then.

fuggin pwned
why are we supposed to feel guilt, when we have (whites) and will continue to be the majority?
it's like we are supposed to be ashamed of our skin tone.
i predict a big back lash in years to come of white nationalism to counter getting beat up since lbj's era

 

[Ffactor]

No such thing as white nationalism. Whites aren't indigenous to the United States. Theys hould go back to their countries and become nationalist.

 

[binö]

No such thing as white nationalism. Whites aren't indigenous to the United States. Theys hould go back to their countries and become nationalist.

meh, using your rationale nobody is truely indigenous
native americans came from tawian so i guess they should go back to tawian to be nationalistic
blacks came from africa so they should go back to africa to be nationalistic
etc
you occupy a territory for long enough you become attached to it and hence indigenous

 

[crazyjoe]

This one?

eew!

 

[myway]

Monday, April 14th, 2008 @ 4:02 am | Second Amendment, taxes, obama, democrats, hillary, by Will Manly, 2008 election, war on terrorism
BY WILL MANLY

Dear Barack Obama:

I grew to like you over the last year.

I’ve always thought of you as dangerously naive at best. Eloquent, gifted, genuine, yes. But dangerously naive at best.

I couldn’t vote for you — but not because of your funny name or your lunatic pastor. I couldn’t vote for you because you say we should raise taxes (even on the rich, who I’m convinced already pay too much), and because you say we should abandon Iraq (which I’m convinced would be surrendering a war we must win), and because you don’t respect the Second Amendment (which I’m convinced should disqualify any politician from any office).

Still, I’ve liked your message of unity and your ability to inspire. And, since your rise I’ve hunted, quite frantically, for young conservative leaders with your talent. (To my relief, I found Bobby Jindal.)

And I’ve long said if you beat Hillary Clinton, you will have done your country a tremendous service. But anymore I’m having a harder and harder time rooting for you.


First came your wife’s comment about being proud of America for the first time — conveniently, right after you started winning primaries. Then came your own words about your grandmother, who is just a “typical white person” — a racist, or at least someone with racist tendencies. (I’m a “typical white person,” I suppose, and I’m no racist. In fact, little makes me angrier than when it’s insinuated I am.)

Sometimes people say things they don’t really mean. But this is a pattern.

Last week we heard your comments about small-town America. Someone at a San Francisco fundraiser asked you why it’s so hard for Democrats to win in rural areas. You said:

“You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them … So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them … ”

Is that a minority? HEY CLETUS, GET THE GUN! (If only we had a job to go to, some time in the last 25 years … )

Here’s a thought: Maybe gun rights voters know gun control laws kill people and steal freedom.

Here’s a thought: Maybe some of us have moral objections to an immigration system that forces rule-followers to wait decades for legal status, and rewards border-violators with amnesty.

Here’s a thought: Maybe some Americans cling to their church because their pastor is a nice person, because they find love there, because there they have something they can believe in.

Here’s a thought: Maybe, just maybe, us simpletons in small towns find it harder to be bigoted than all o’ y’all cityfolk. Maybe, in small towns, where everybody knows your name — and how hard you work, if you pay your taxes, how well you treat your neighbors, how often you volunteer in the community, and whether or not you’re a good parent — people see the content of your character, so they don’t give a hoot about the color of your skin. (But I grew up in a small town where about a third of the population is of a different race than me. What do I know?)

And here’s my favorite thought of all: Maybe small-town folks are — really — capable of thinking. All on our own.

You’re wrong about why small-town Americans don’t vote for Democrats.

We don’t vote for Democrats because we’re self-reliant so we don’t like the government trying to “solve” everything for us. And because you tell your rich friends in San Francisco that we’re dumb. And because, each election, whichever one of you is running for president traipses all over the country telling us you have all the answers, that you’re the one on our side, that you respect our way of life. But each time, a little bit here and there slips out — and by the end of the campaign, we can tell what you think about us. And we manage to learn who you really are.

And we see you’re just a horse’s ass.

FYI- Napoleon rulez.

 

[javaguru]

FYI- Napoleon rulez.

He lost....he was a great leader...no doubt.

 

[myway]

He lost....he was a great leader...no doubt.

Yea, he did lose....eventually. I liked his' love letters and poetry.

 

[javaguru]

Yea, he did lose....eventually. I liked his' love letters and poetry.

Typical wiminz...fluff over substance...are you voting Obama?

No offence, I love me my wiminz but you chicks are so irrational.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Typical wiminz...fluff over substance...are you voting Obama?

No offence, I love me my wiminz but you chicks are so irrational.

Women have a higher tendency to think with emotion and not reason. That is not to say that they are irrational creatures, but to hypothesize the temperament of what makes a woman the "gentle" race.

 

[myway]

Typical wiminz...fluff over substance...are you voting Obama?

No offence, I love me my wiminz but you chicks are so irrational.

Don't worry. I'm not offended. Actually, I agree. BUT my dad passed on to me his' ability to see through bullshit.
I will tell u who I'm NOT voting for: HILLARY. No fuggin' way.

 

[javaguru]

Don't worry. I'm not offended. Actually, I agree. BUT my dad passed on to me his' ability to see through bullshit.
I will tell u who I'm NOT voting for: HILLARY. No fuggin' way.

Can I make a commercial...EF bitch for McCain.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Exactly my point. The number of morons in the white race exceed by far the number of morons in other races as whites make up about 70% of the country. If they are willing to choose a bad candidate just because of race it has dangerous impliocations in terms of the strngth and stability of the country.

It would be equally stupid to vote for Obama just because he's black. I myself wouldn't dictate my choice based on that. I'd base it on the fact that he's a flakey politician with no better plan than Bush ever had, and a prejudiced, communist sympathizer at that. His views are far away from mine.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

fuggin pwned
why are we supposed to feel guilt, when we have (whites) and will continue to be the majority?
it's like we are supposed to be ashamed of our skin tone.
i predict a big back lash in years to come of white nationalism to counter getting beat up since lbj's era

What goes around comes around. I'm trying to think of how white nationalism would come about being that it's so shunned in this country in the present.

 

[myway]

Can I make a commercial...EF bitch for McCain.

Sure thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bigmann245]

So y'all will be sending those farm subsidy checks back then?

im gonna grow me a garden and apply for one of those checks....

 

[Lestat]

Obama for President!

 

[Smurfy]

Typical wiminz...fluff over substance...are you voting Obama?

No offence, I love me my wiminz but you chicks are so irrational.

come again??

 

[mrplunkey]

seems like you've gotten more conservative over the years bro
it's what happens when you work for a living...seems like all my family rich bros are liberal douches.
while the hardworking bros are more righty.
i gotta work all weekend

Most of the wealthy liberals are people who get their money via windfalls:

- Lawyers working on contingencies
- Entertainers
- Artists
- Creative startups
- Inheritance / Trust-fund babies

Most of the wealthy conservatives are people who grind-out their income and save

I started as a grind-it out guy in 1992 and got my big break starting in 2000 which paid-out in 2002. When money comes over time you realize how hard it can be to make. But when it comes in a windfall you sometimes think money just comes from the sky. A hollywood actor making $20M per picture with an entourage of financial planners protecting their income and offshoring investments isn't going to see a problem with increases in payroll or marginal tax rates. A "working wealthy" guy who grinds-out $400k/year and saves half of it sure will.

 

[redsamurai]

This is your dumbest post to date. You're absolutely clueless. There's a couple of struggling artists on this site that would find your baseless assertion fairly offensive........specially since they ain't gettin no windfalls. What planet are you from? Do you know people? Do you actually know people outside your immediate gated community?? Take a walk....you're unawares of the world surrounding you. Clueless even. You know absolutely not of what you speak. This was mere talking out your ass. And it shows your inherant bitterness towards real "creatives".

Most of the wealthy liberals are people who get their money via windfalls:

- Lawyers working on contingencies
- Entertainers
- Artists
- Creative startups
- Inheritance / Trust-fund babies

Most of the wealthy conservatives are people who grind-out their income and save

I started as a grind-it out guy in 1992 and got my big break starting in 2000 which paid-out in 2002. When money comes over time you realize how hard it can be to make. But when it comes in a windfall you sometimes think money just comes from the sky. A hollywood actor making $20M per picture with an entourage of financial planners protecting their income and offshoring investments isn't going to see a problem with increases in payroll or marginal tax rates. A "working wealthy" guy who grinds-out $400k/year and saves half of it sure will.

 

[Ffactor]

meh, using your rationale nobody is truely indigenous
native americans came from tawian so i guess they should go back to tawian to be nationalistic
blacks came from africa so they should go back to africa to be nationalistic
etc
you occupy a territory for long enough you become attached to it and hence indigenous

A couple of hundred years aint long enough bud. Just my opinion. Now if an Irish guy from Ireland said he was a white nationalist I'd say he's got a point.

 

[Hengst]

No such thing as white nationalism. Whites aren't indigenous to the United States. Theys hould go back to their countries and become nationalist.

Duda, you are soooooooo wrong on this.

 

[mrplunkey]

This is your dumbest post to date. You're absolutely clueless. There's a couple of struggling artists on this site that would find your baseless assertion fairly offensive........specially since they ain't gettin no windfalls. What planet are you from? Do you know people? Do you actually know people outside your immediate gated community?? Take a walk....you're unawares of the world surrounding you. Clueless even. You know absolutely not of what you speak. This was mere talking out your ass. And it shows your inherant bitterness towards real "creatives".

That response was so ignorant it made my head hurt. You owe me two advil.

Ok, I'll type slowly for you:

I used the term "wealthy liberals" and was comparing them to "wealthy conservatives" in an attempt to generalize what they do and how they create and sustain their wealth. I'm comparing "wealth" to "wealth".

And what do you come back with?

Comments on "struggling artists"? Yeah, I'm classifying apples and you come back with commentary on potatoes.

C'mon now, you're not really that stupid. This has got to be an online personna. And if it is (God I truly hope it is) then my hat is off to you -- you're playing the role to the extreme.

 

[redsamurai]

That response was so ignorant it made my head hurt. You owe me two advil.

I read your post just fine..........now let me reiterate to you why you're an ignorant churl.

I used the term "wealthy liberals" and was comparing them to "wealthy conservatives" in an attempt to generalize what they do and how they create and sustain their wealth. I'm comparing "wealth" to "wealth".

so a wealthy artist or entertainer got that money from the money tree they grew out back?? No, they grinded out what are very very very meager existences while they are practicing their trade. Don't even argue with me on this........I've been around struggling actors and other various artists in the entertainment field. It's harder for them because while they're practicing their trade, there's no income coming in because there's so many creative and talented people that only the best start to make some sort of income. Other industries like business or a science related background have entry level jobs that one can subsist on and are actually expected for you to take while you get better at your trade. Someone with fresh out of college with a bachelors in engineering or business has a more wide open field to enter than someone with a bachelors in fine arts. Do you understand now?? While that person with the BFA has the possibility to make exhorbitant sums of money if things fall in the right places for them........the majority struggle because it's a more subjective field. The options for a hard science or business graduate immediately out of college DWARF that of the options facing a BFA........depending on the track of course.



So........you may want more than two advil to extract my foot from your ass. It's been up there so long I"ve forgotten that I even had a right foot. ...

At the risk of back patting myself...........once again I make sense and you look stupid. And all you had to do was consider the notion that everyone, save trust fund babies..........starts somewhere and usually has to work very hard to get where they are........no matter the field. And in this regard the argument of liberals vs. coservatives is moot and quite frankly utterly inappropriate as it has nothing to do with anything.........which is a common trait of your ramblings. Your arguments lack any sort of depth or insight, or even that much clarity. Given that you're not a "stupid" person per se..........this can only be accounted for by the fact that you're a insipidly shallow, depthless person. You're book smart, that's it.........no more no less. No insight into life whatsoever.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

It's funny listening to people argue and furthermore insult each other; nothing more going on than masturbation.

Don't understand why?-

That book will help explain the frailty of the human ego and how to work with it to one's advantage. Win/win.

 

[mrplunkey]

I read your post just fine..........now let me reiterate to you why you're an ignorant churl.

so a wealthy artist or entertainer got that money from the money tree they grew out back?? No, they grinded out what are very very very meager existences while they are practicing their trade. Don't even argue with me on this........I've been around struggling actors and other various artists in the entertainment field. It's harder for them because while they're practicing their trade, there's no income coming in because there's so many creative and talented people that only the best start to make some sort of income. Other industries like business or a science related background have entry level jobs that one can subsist on and are actually expected for you to take while you get better at your trade. Someone with fresh out of college with a bachelors in engineering or business has a more wide open field to enter than someone with a bachelors in fine arts. Do you understand now?? While that person with the BFA has the possibility to make exhorbitant sums of money if things fall in the right places for them........the majority struggle because it's a more subjective field. The options for a hard science or business graduate immediately out of college DWARF that of the options facing a BFA........depending on the track of course.

Ahhh another rant that has nothing to do with my original observation. You are zero for two on reading comprehension. Once again, I'll simplify:

Joe here, has a big bag of money that he's accumulated over a long period of time. Let's say 30 years.

Now John here, has a bag of money that's just as big as Joes and he too, took exactly 30 years to accumulate it.

Now Joe and John have bags the same size and have worked the same length of time. You with me so far? Remember... Joe, John, 30 years. Ok. Stay with me now.

Now here's where they are different. Joe built his bag out of two big windfalls -- let's say as a lawyer winning two big contingency-based lawsuits. Or maybe as an entertainer who launched two very successful albums over his career.

Now John ground his money out steadily over that same period of time. Lets say he was as surgeon who built is practice then worked 50 hours/week until retirement. He never got a real windfall, but incrementally increased his income as well as the portion he saved over 30 years.

Now what was my original assertion? It was that on average, a person like Joe will be more liberal than a person like John. That's it. Where you got "struggling artists" or that I was somehow "bitter" against "creatives" is completely beyond me. This has nothing to do with who is the fine arts major or the engineering major. This has nothing to do with who deserves what.

So now that I've taken time to explain it, I know you still won't get it. I'm bracing myself for something bizarrely stupid to come from you as a response. Go ahead and just do it. I'm expecting it.

So........you may want more than two advil to extract my foot from your ass. It's been up there so long I"ve forgotten that I even had a right foot. ...

Keep your homosexual foot/anal fetish fantasies out of this please.

At the risk of back patting myself

Risk? What risk? Something that happens on a daily basis isn't a "risk" -- it's called a "pattern".

You're book smart, that's it.........no more no less. No insight into life whatsoever.

This is one of those cases where someone who's clearly just plain dumb likes to justify their ignorance by calling someone else "book smart". Perhaps it made you feel better, but just remember you are still dumb.

 

[redsamurai]

Now here's where they are different. Joe built his bag out of two big windfalls -- let's say as a lawyer winning two big contingency-based lawsuits. Or maybe as an entertainer who launched two very successful albums over his career.

ok, explain "windfall" to me..........because my understanding of "windfall" is something akin to manna falling out of the sky or pulling something out of your ass that you didn't have to work very hard for. Am I correct in that?? So maybe you didn't word your shit right or there is some other connotation for windfall that I'm not aware of. It really does sound like you're suggesting that "JOE" somehow arbitrarily didn't work as hard as "John" during those 30 years. To which I can cleanly and soundly refute you.

Now what was my original assertion? It was that on average, a person like Joe will be more liberal than a person like John.

why?? You're still not making a sound cogent argument. It still seems like you're trying to make the case that Joe hasn't worked as hard as john.

That's it. Where you got "struggling artists" or that I was somehow "bitter" against "creatives" is completely beyond me. This has nothing to do with who is the fine arts major or the engineering major. This has nothing to do with who deserves what.

The point of the analogy was that the engineering major has more options directly out of school for moderate income than the BFA does. But that doesn't mean that the BFA, who alot of times has to work for free.........isn't working "as hard".......which Is how you came across and what I am rebutting.

Keep your homosexual foot/anal fetish fantasies out of this please.

you need work on your witty comebacks.

This is one of those cases where someone who's clearly just plain dumb likes to justify their ignorance by calling someone else "book smart". Perhaps it made you feel better, but just remember you are still dumb.

you exhibit no perception or clarity. None.........I have no other explanation for why someone of your background is like that......other than you're just book smart but really have no clue on life. I knew a homeless guy in san francisco that was more interesting than you........granted he used to be a xerox excecutive so he did have that part of life to draw on, but I digress.

 

[redsamurai]

I. When money comes over time you realize how hard it can be to make. But when it comes in a windfall you sometimes think money just comes from the sky. .

you know, upon rereading this piece of drivel.......my original assessment of this post was correct. You really think creatives that spent half their lives being near dirt poor and all of a sudden catch their big break...........think money falls from the sky. It's right there, your own words. So just shut up.........post not once more in this thread.

 

[mrplunkey]

ok, explain "windfall" to me..........because my understanding of "windfall" is something akin to manna falling out of the sky or pulling something out of your ass that you didn't have to work very hard for. Am I correct in that?? So maybe you didn't word your shit right or there is some other connotation for windfall that I'm not aware of. It really does sound like you're suggesting that "JOE" somehow arbitrarily didn't work as hard as "John" during those 30 years. To which I can cleanly and soundly refute you.

Now at least you're asking questions. That's improvement!

wind·fall Pronunciation:
\ˈwin(d)-ˌfȯl\
Function:
noun
Date:
15th century
1 : something (as a tree or fruit) blown down by the wind
2 : an unexpected, unearned, or sudden gain or advantage

Some windfalls can be unearned, but the ones I'm referring to are sudden successes that weren't necessarily expected at the time. Where you've decided that this is the exclusive domain of "creatives" is beyond me. Gates got a windfall when massive IBM decided to partner with microscopic Microsoft back when the IBM PC was first introduced. Does that make him an artist?

why?? You're still not making a sound cogent argument. It still seems like you're trying to make the case that Joe hasn't worked as hard as john.

No where have I said or even implied that Joe works harder than John. That's because you're reading what you want to read into my post so your answer will fit your misperceived notion that I'm somehow insulting "creatives".

The point of the analogy was that the engineering major has more options directly out of school for moderate income than the BFA does. But that doesn't mean that the BFA, who alot of times has to work for free.........isn't working "as hard".......which Is how you came across and what I am rebutting.

No, that's what you decided to read into it. I'd challenge you to find a single post where I've *ever* insulted or even implied that creative people are lesser or inferior in any way.

you exhibit no perception or clarity. None.........I have no other explanation for why someone of your background is like that......

I do admit it is hard for me to write at your level. Concepts my 9 year old son understands seem to go completely over your head. Maybe I just need practice.

 

[EnderJE]

Now what was my original assertion? It was that on average, a person like Joe will be more liberal than a person like John. That's it.

I can see your point. John (the one working for the past 30 years) is more likely to know the value of a dollar based on rationale assumptions (I don't have statistical averages).

 

[mrplunkey]

I can see your point. John (the one working for the past 30 years) is more likely to know the value of a dollar based on rationale assumptions (I don't have statistical averages).

YUP!

And that was precisely what I was going to follow-up with before someone derailed my line of thought with a pointless insult.

Basically I think people who generate wealth continuously over time perceive it as more difficult than someone who accumulates it in "batches" over the same time period. It can be equal effort and equal time, but there's something about the day-to-day grind that makes it seem harder.

My experiences at GE really shaped this view, where lifelong company guys would accumulate wealth over time with salary and stock options -- these guys were super-conservative (just to the right of Rush Limbaugh). Whereas the "acquired" guys (people who joined GE by selling them their company) were far more liberal in their views. I remember one guy who's business had never made a profit, then sold to GE for a big (oversized, IMO) bag of cash. He ran around with a ponytail talking about everyone paying "their fair share" right after he payed his flat 15% capital gains tax and parked his money out of IRS reach.

 

[redsamurai]

Now at least you're asking questions. That's improvement!

wind·fall Pronunciation:
\ˈwin(d)-ˌfȯl\
Function:
noun
Date:
15th century
1 : something (as a tree or fruit) blown down by the wind
2 : an unexpected, unearned, or sudden gain or advantage

so even in your definition the word "unearned" is included...........and you can't see where that might be insulting??? really??

Gates got a windfall when massive IBM decided to partner with microscopic Microsoft back when the IBM PC was first introduced. Does that make him an artist?

so by your original sweeping generalization...........Bill Gates should be an ultra liberal because ever since his "windfall"........he's been on easy street. Having read about that man and his personal day to day habits........he knows the value of money better than you do. And this is a man that could write a check on the spot for the value of your entire existence........and it would about to 1/100000000 of his net worth. And yet he's still humble, relatively speaking.

No where have I said or even implied that Joe works harder than John. That's because you're reading what you want to read into my post so your answer will fit your misperceived notion that I'm somehow insulting "creatives".

It drips from your every word. You can say all you want I'm "reading into it". But you are still clearly stating that liberals tend to be people who gained their worth in "windfalls". To say that this is a sweeping generalization not backed up by any hard evidence is stating the obvious. What is also stating the obvious is that you're an ass.

I'd challenge you to find a single post where I've *ever* insulted or even implied that creative people are lesser or inferior in any way.

I've been quoting said posts for the last 2 days.........you're just not accepting of what you've stated.

I do admit it is hard for me to write at your level. Concepts my 9 year old son understands seem to go completely over your head. Maybe I just need practice.

still weak. If your 9 year old is as ignorant as you are I doubt he's doing much except running heading first into a wall over and over again. Get him a leash.

 

[redsamurai]

[Basically I think people who generate wealth continuously over time perceive it as more difficult than someone who accumulates it in "batches" over the same time period. It can be equal effort and equal time, but there's something about the day-to-day grind that makes it seem harder.

Let me reiterate this to you for the umpteenth time...........those people you say get their money in "batches" actually know the value of money better because they struggle more in between than those who, by your account..........."grind it out".

I remember one guy who's business had never made a profit, then sold to GE for a big (oversized, IMO) bag of cash. He ran around with a ponytail talking about everyone paying "their fair share" right after he payed his flat 15% capital gains tax and parked his money out of IRS reach

.


oh you're so fucking brilliant...... you based your sweeping overgenerelization on a douchebag with a ponytail whom you worked with at GE. Bravo........you couldn't be dumber. You have no standing to accuse anyone else of being stupid ever again. There's guy's at the AAS board whom I previously would have thought to be the most dim here at EF.........I now stand corrected. "I remember this one guy with a ponytail".........wow.........you're a fucking idiot. Without any question whatsoever you're mindnumbingly intellectually incompetent. You pick out one or two variances from life and apply them to a general view of how things are. I wouldn't hire you to run a child's lemonade stand..........how were you not laughed out of a company like GE is beyond me. Well, unless it was the Welch years..........I could see him liking a doucheknuckle like you........