That was exactly my point B Fold. You and Spatts and other WSB'ers never put people down and really show your progress and only provide positive information on the site and it makes your routine seem so much more appealing. Needsize as well, he provides awesome feedback and does so respectfully and that is why I believe so many people are trying the 5x5 as well. Debaser wants so many to try DC training, yet he takes the absolute worse approach in trying to persuade others. He has posted this type of training before and got little response. DC came here and talked about the training and was very cool about it and now it is a sticky with over 400 replies.
I don't see how Debaser put anyone down, to be very frank.
He only said that Oak is overtraining, which I think is probably true (I'll get to that in a moment).
If anything, I'd say several people were rude to Debaser by not addressing his argument. Instead of focusing on what he
said--his logical advice--we're now attacking his character. That is the fallacy of attacking the person--argumentum ad hominem. (For those unfamiliar with logic, that means disagreeing with him on the grounds that "he's a jerk" means you're making a bogus claim. His argument either holds water or it doesn't; his person has nothing to do with it.)
Next we had several red herrings about DC-style training. Debaser didn't tell Oak he HAD to follow Dogg's training style. DC training, therefore, is a side-issue, a distraction.
Then we had people throwing in straw men arguments, an argument where you distort someone's original position, attack the
distortion,
then claim to be victorious.
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
Would someone be so kind as to point out where Debaser "put someone down"? Is it putting someone down to say they're overtraining? I don't think so.
I agree with his assessment. Deadlifting even once a week usually resulted in overtraining for me. The lower back is quick to fatigue and takes a LONG time to recover. Oak, you'd best be served by cutting down on your no. of work sets AND back off on the deadlift for awhile. I do not think assistance exercises are the answer as you've only been deadlifting hard for 10 weeks, you said?
You must also get beyond this ego-driven "I can do X weight, and people are impressed" business if you want to enjoy pretty steady progress long-term. Chances are good no one cares, though from the sounds of things you're doing well. Concentrate on improving YOU. Focus a little more on what you're doing, not what easily-impressed onlookers think, and try to
think outside of the box.
NO ONE is saying DC training is "the only way." Shame on anyone that tossed out that ugly piece of illogic. But would it really kill you to
try doing fewer sets of deadlifts, and maybe taking a couple of weeks to back off from the lift itself?
Take a cue from other relatively high-volume lifters, who rarely train a lift VERY hard for more than six weeks or so on end. Most of a 10-12 week cycle for periodization guys are spent working up to very hard sets. You have been doing very hard sets the *entire time*. You've done great to get to 405 that way, but now it's time to regroup. Catch your breath, and start fresh, focusing on putting more work into individual sets. You know that a single set can do a lot for growth, so treat every set as do-or-die. You'll find you won't need many sets total (excluding warm-ups, of course, which everyone needs), and might not be
able to do as many as you're used to.
I look forward to hearing what path you choose to take. Good luck.
P.S.--I mean no offense to you in saying this, but I call it as I see it. I honestly feel you're not thinking things through as best you could. I just read the last few responses in the thread, and you note that you're going to continue on with "high-volume," but will try a DC-style routine in the summertime.
That's fine...but what I don't understand is your inflexibility. You are grasping to something that doesn't work for you right now. You know the saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it...well, if it IS broken, FIX IT!
You are making a mistake that's common, the false dichotomy. You are treating your training options as a very strict "either this (high volume), or that (extremely low volume)."
Why not strike a compromise, Oak? Try a reduced volume deadlift routine. Just cut out two sets and see what happens at first if you don't believe me. But don't follow this illogic that you must train at either end of the spectrum. Make your training suit YOU; don't suit yourself to the training.
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) What I listed above increased my 1 rep max by 30lbs in 5 weeks. I will have to continiye to come up with new ideas if I want to keep that pace, though. 
but please realize that this is an ongoing issue. Im all for people presenting their views (that is what makes this place great), but as you can see me as well as other members get a little annoyed when they are presented in a "holier than thou" approach that Debaser seems to take.
I was like that after I took a critical thinking class when I started college. Always looking for an excuse to use the big funny words
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