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Dbol and alcohol

Lifting2Grow

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So I'm currently on my first cycle. Test C and Dbol 37.5 mg E/D. I have not been drinking at all on the cycle. My question, for some of these more experienced guys, is I plan on having a few drinks on the first day off the dbol. Not because I'm dying to get boozed up, it just happens to be the same day as a party that I plan on going to. Again, I'm not a heavy drinker. Just planning on having a few beers. I have been taking a liver detoxifier and plan on continuing. You guys think my liver will be all good?
 
Once isn't gonna hurt you, just don't make a habit of it. I wouldn't take any dbol that day tho and make sure to drink plenty of water.
 
DO NOT drink and mix AAS period.

a lot of people will tell you its okay but those are the same guys who have never run bloods during a cycle. if you run bloods you would be shocked at how strained your lipids and organs are, add alcohol to the mix and now you have a major problem. if you want to go to parties and drink then you need to grow up and secondly need to forget steroids
 
Take a few minutes and do a search. Your question has been asked countless times....

Unless you have already done a search and are miraculously hoping you get different responses on this thread. Alcohol reduces test, will make you hold water, and is hard on your liver as is the Dbol. And besides, if your truly serious about training, the question should have never even been asked, as no--you wouldn't even consider a cocktail while on gear.
 
I'd double dose on n2guard and Tudca. Spread out the drinking and drink tons of water
 
go have fun and don't worry about it. getting drunk one time while on cycle is not going to effect you. just don't make a habit of it.
double dosing whatever you are taking for support is a waste.

^^^ Thanks for the most wreckless advice I've seen all week. How the hell would double dosing a liver detox supp (after drinking, when your liver is already strained on cycle) a complete waste? Nothing wrong with covering your bases
 
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To put it simply, 5 mgs of an oral is comparable in liver strain to about a shot of alcohol. So, you do the math and decide if adding more strain that doesn't build muscle is a wise choice.
 
You are not going to stand out from the pack running with it. I go out all the time, and the bartenders are pouring my diet Pepsi when they see me. Red Bull when I'm in the mood. Alcohol is boring to me, and because of my work in the gym and diet I command a kind of respect that is way better than getting high.
 
To put it simply, 5 mgs of an oral is comparable in liver strain to about a shot of alcohol. So, you do the math and decide if adding more strain that doesn't build muscle is a wise choice.

i tell guys all the time not to run bloods during cycle because if they did the doctors would probably freak out at what they saw.

people don't understand what happens on a cycle. you are running very powerful hormones, this isn't flinstones vitamins you are running here. i've seen liver values that would make people shit their pants.. and they don't go back to normal after cycle either unless you are off atleast time on= time off. and alcohol doesn't just affect liver values either, since it retains water it will cripple your other lipids as well.
 
Pick your poison....alcohol or toxic orals. But do not run them together. That's just asking for trouble. One night of drinking probably wouldn't hurt much, but why take the risk? Its your internal organs you are gambling with
 
To put it simply, 5 mgs of an oral is comparable in liver strain to about a shot of alcohol. So, you do the math and decide if adding more strain that doesn't build muscle is a wise choice.

Whoa never thought it would be that much. You got a link or website with more information?
 
I appreciate all the advice. There are obviously different opinions here. I will consider both sides. And for those who feel the need to tell someone to take their cycle more seriously...I think the growing up needs to be done before pointing fingers. You have no idea how I have been while on cycle.
 
To put it simply, 5 mgs of an oral is comparable in liver strain to about a shot of alcohol. So, you do the math and decide if adding more strain that doesn't build muscle is a wise choice.

I'm curious where you found this information. That seems a little ridiculous. I mean if this is paraphrased from a legitimate source. I'd love to read more about this study
 
I'm curious where you found this information. That seems a little ridiculous. I mean if this is paraphrased from a legitimate source. I'd love to read more about this study

That study has been posted to this site multiple times in the past

The fucking search function works, I just checked
 
It is ridiculous. It's overgeneralizing, and making a blanket statement that 5mg of an oral steroid is equivalent to a shot of alcohol is just wrong.

Do I really need to go into why this is a dumb statement and break down the logic on why such a blanket statement cannot be made with any kind of certainty?
 
It is ridiculous. It's overgeneralizing, and making a blanket statement that 5mg of an oral steroid is equivalent to a shot of alcohol is just wrong.

Do I really need to go into why this is a dumb statement and break down the logic on why such a blanket statement cannot be made with any kind of certainty?

let me guess. you think its okay to drink on cycle. do you ever agree with nelson and the mods on anything bro? or do you just enjoy taking the opposite position on everything? :rolleyes:
 
A friend of mine thought it would be okay to be out drinking while on Winstrol. Binge drinking for 2 days put him in the hospital with pancreatitis, pissing blood and sharp shooting pains throughout his abdomen . He was only 23 at the time too. Don't waste your time.
Moral of the story pick one or the other. A couple beers won't kill you. But chances are you won't stick with a couple beers. And you may wake up looking like Homer Simpson.
 
A friend of mine thought it would be okay to be out drinking while on Winstrol. Binge drinking for 2 days put him in the hospital with pancreatitis, pissing blood and sharp shooting pains throughout his abdomen . He was only 23 at the time too. Don't waste your time.
Moral of the story pick one or the other. A couple beers won't kill you. But chances are you won't stick with a couple beers. And you may wake up looking like Homer Simpson.

I agree ^^^ Do either one or the other
 
A friend of mine thought it would be okay to be out drinking while on Winstrol. Binge drinking for 2 days put him in the hospital with pancreatitis, pissing blood and sharp shooting pains throughout his abdomen . He was only 23 at the time too. Don't waste your time.
Moral of the story pick one or the other. A couple beers won't kill you. But chances are you won't stick with a couple beers. And you may wake up looking like Homer Simpson.

hell i have a friend who mixed alcohol with bp meds and he woke up with blood out his nose dead. not sure if he had organ failure or what happened but there is a reason they say don't mix drugs with alcohol. he was in his 20's and left behind a 1 year old baby. the gf now is on welfare and food stamps raising a kid on her own.

selfishness makes me sick. his kid will grow up without a dad and in poverty because of 1 stupid decision

alcohol is the #1 reason for hospital visits people don't realize that.
 
Whoa never thought it would be that much. You got a link or website with more information?

Why is it that an opinion that is cut and pasted has more relevance? lol. It's an estimate. No one can gauge exactly how much of anything does a specific amount of damage. That's like saying how many drinks does it take to cause liver damage? There's no number. We estimate. If you use the estimate I used you'll be on course.
 
It is ridiculous. It's overgeneralizing, and making a blanket statement that 5mg of an oral steroid is equivalent to a shot of alcohol is just wrong.

Do I really need to go into why this is a dumb statement and break down the logic on why such a blanket statement cannot be made with any kind of certainty?

Why must you be a jerk in every post? You disagree? Fine. Keep kidding yourself. But you come off like you know it all and your comments can be be pretty stupid sometimes. Often, actually.
 
Why must you be a jerk in every post? You disagree? Fine. Keep kidding yourself. But you come off like you know it all and your comments can be be pretty stupid sometimes. Often, actually.

Don't care.

If we were talking in real life I'd be smiling. But thats beyond the point, you turned this into an emotional argument. You should stop being so sensitive.

Why is it that an opinion that is cut and pasted has more relevance? lol. It's an estimate. No one can gauge exactly how much of anything does a specific amount of damage. That's like saying how many drinks does it take to cause liver damage? There's no number. We estimate. If you use the estimate I used you'll be on course.

So essentially you're saying the uncertainty in the statement is high enough that the statement lacks any kind of utility that is applicable? Why even bother saying it at all.

If you would have presented the second quoted piece in this reply before you said the original statement then we wouldn't have gotten to this point, silly.
 
Don't care.

If we were talking in real life I'd be smiling. But thats beyond the point, you turned this into an emotional argument. You should stop being so sensitive.



So essentially you're saying the uncertainty in the statement is high enough that the statement lacks any kind of utility that is applicable? Why even bother saying it at all.

If you would have presented the second quoted piece in this reply before you said the original statement then we wouldn't have gotten to this point, silly.

Bullshit and you know it. What's emotional? Saying that you're wrong? Or rude?

You have this need to call me out on every fucking thing I say and it's obnoxious and disruptive. I've been at this a long time pal and have a little cred in the industry -- a bit more than you I'd say, and my advice ALWAYS has the interst of the people's health in mind. But that's not good enough for you. You're too much of a tough guy for that so you try to dismiss everything for no other reason than to do it. You want to constantly argue minutia? How does that help the members? It's worthless.
 
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Bullshit and you know it. What's emotional? Saying that you're wrong? Or rude?

Your response to my original post where you called me a jerk and resorted to a personal attack style is why I called you emotional. If you notice, I refuted your argument completely, I have nothing to say about you one way or another.

Rude? Arguably. Perhaps my responses could use more tact on occasion. Thanks for the constructive criticism, I appreciate your feedback.


You have this need to call me out on every fucking thing I say and it's obnoxious and disruptive.

I don't call you out, I call out things you say. Like I stated before, I'm indifferent to the character Nelson Montana.

I've been at this a long time pal and have a little cred in the industry -- a bit more than you I'd say, and my advice ALWAYS has the interst of the people's health in mind.

Lol, it's like you're name dropping your own name here. A bit more cred than me, you say? We really going to bring up history here? I'm not sure how this supports your argument one way or another, but trying to discredit me by some questionable means.

I won't argue your statement about your health advice, it probably is top notch for life longevity.
^^Regarding this statement, this is what separates me from you. Your ego clouds any capabilities of giving credit where it's due. I don't care if people think I'm an asshole, I don't care if people believe me, I don't care if people think I'm offensive when I constantly sort out fact from bullshit - after all, I have no reputation to defend, my income is not based on such things.

But that's not good enough for you. You're too much of a tough guy for that so you try to dismiss everything for no other reason than to do it. You want to constantly argue minutia? How does that help the members? It's worthless.

Making up a blanket statement and applying it as fact disserves members as much as anything else.

As someone with such a reputation on this board, you have should be more responsible with the things you say.
 
your response to my original post where you called me a jerk and resorted to a personal attack style is why i called you emotional. If you notice, i refuted your argument completely, i have nothing to say about you one way or another.

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you seem to forget something. Here you are being all offended that i called you a jerk, but i did so because you started in with the personal attacks -- calling me dumb. Funny how the people who are so offended by "personal attacks" are the one's who do it the most.


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I don't call you out, i call out things you say. Like i stated before, i'm indifferent to the character nelson montana.
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more passive aggressive bullshit. You go out of your way to bust my balls. Something irks you and i don't know what. And i don't care. But it gets annoying.


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Lol, it's like you're name dropping your own name here. A bit more cred than me, you say? We really going to bring up history here? I'm not sure how this supports your argument one way or another, but trying to discredit me by some questionable means.

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i'm not discrediting you. No name dropping. But yeah, i'm known in the industry, and i'm trying to do my job here. I'm published, i have the endorsement of major people. I'm not saying that to blow my own horn. I'm saying it because i think you know it and maybe it gives you a kick if you try and take me down a peg. It's not uncommon.



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I won't argue your statement about your health advice, it probably is top notch for life longevity.
^^regarding this statement, this is what separates me from you. Your ego clouds any capabilities of giving credit where it's due. I don't care if people think i'm an asshole, i don't care if people believe me, i don't care if people think i'm offensive when i constantly sort out fact from bullshit - after all, i have no reputation to defend, my income is not based on such things.

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i get it. You can feel free to be an asshole because nobody knows who are. That's being a troll. You're the guy in the stands yelling at the players. Thank you for being honest.




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Making up a blanket statement and applying it as fact disserves members as much as anything else.

As someone with such a reputation on this board, you have should be more responsible with the things you say.

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wow, the bullshit never stops. My comment was based on empirical and scientific evidence. It's accepted doctrine among top athletes., doctors and strength coaches. It's good advice. It's not "irresponsible in any way and you know it. You just want to call me one it, make it an issue, and start shit like this just to get some attention -- because as you say , you have no reputation so being disruptive is all you want to do. I don't feel like going back and forth with this shit. It's gone on too long as it is. .









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you seem to forget something. Here you are being all offended that i called you a jerk, but i did so because you started in with the personal attacks -- calling me dumb. Funny how the people who are so offended by "personal attacks" are the one's who do it the most.

Lol, I never called you dumb. Your response is emotional, not mine. You're intent on having me sink to your level for this argument. My refutal of your statement was not a personal attack. You're doing a very classic thing here - spewing out strawman rhetoric. Build up an argument off of false pretenses, beat it down and claim victory.


more passive aggressive bullshit. You go out of your way to bust my balls. Something irks you and i don't know what. And i don't care. But it gets annoying.

Look up the definition of passive aggressive. You will see you are wrong. But I did take what you said to heart originally.

i'm not discrediting you. No name dropping. But yeah, i'm known in the industry, and i'm trying to do my job here. I'm published, i have the endorsement of major people. I'm not saying that to blow my own horn. I'm saying it because i think you know it and maybe it gives you a kick if you try and take me down a peg. It's not uncommon.

And what exactly is your job? To sell things? Wouldn't that alone make it so that the information you give should fall under more scrutiny than the average poster? - I'll do you a favor and won't leave these questions open-ended. The answer is 'yes.'

Your published? Wow, me too. I'm published in a Tissue Engineering text book. I have 3 patents being filed in my behalf for tissue processing devices and machine components. Soon I'll have a trade secret filed under my name.

My professional career is separating fact from bullshit and making meaningful decisions based off of limited data inputs. I could care less about your credibility within the industry.

The funny thing is here - the most credible people in the industry wouldn't be on a chat forum arguing with someone they "think" is just a "troll."

i get it. You can feel free to be an asshole because nobody knows who are. That's being a troll. You're the guy in the stands yelling at the players. Thank you for being honest.

Me being an "asshole" is your emotional response, again. If I'm a troll, you're equally a troll in the same sense. You have equally derailed this topic. Your analogy is incorrect, I'm not an observer but an active player. Another silly attempt at discrediting me.


wow, the bullshit never stops. My comment was based on empirical and scientific evidence.

Actually no it wasn't. It was a poor interpretation of something you read. You applied it incorrectly and now you're trying to derail this argument into other things to distract from this fact.

I suspect you know very little about "science" or the scientific method, data analysis, or statistical approaches for meaningful conclusions. I live these things every single day - I take things like this very seriously.

It's accepted doctrine among top athletes., doctors and strength coaches. It's good advice. It's not "irresponsible in any way and you know it.

The spreading of misinformation is completely and utterly irresponsible even if the information is errs towards the conservative side.

You just want to call me one it, make it an issue, and start shit like this just to get some attention -- because as you say , you have no reputation so being disruptive is all you want to do. I don't feel like going back and forth with this shit. It's gone on too long as it is.

You should stop taking things personally and this would all be handled better. You're right, I'm screaming for attention and reputation on an AAS forum :rolleyes:

It has gone on too long - this was a product of you derailing this exchange so far off topic. I was merely interested in refuting your original statement.
 
Great UA. The next time someone has a question regarding tissue processing, I'll refer them to you.

As for the original statement -- it stands. 5 mgs of D-bol is approximately equivalent to a shot of alcohol. That's a good gauge to go by. Do that and you can't go wrong. Or, you can listen to some stranger on a message board who wants to debate it or argue it or ignore it or dismiss it or tear apart every word... but it doesn't change the facts. Oral steroids are a burden to the liver and caution needs to be taken. Adding further strain is not a good idea.
 
Lol you guys are a trip!


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My favorite argument with Nelson is when he swore up and down that Unleashed would give every bit as much results as Superdrol. Fucking classic Nelson right there.

He's a good dude but sometimes he says some real bullshit.
 
My favorite argument with Nelson is when he swore up and down that Unleashed would give every bit as much results as Superdrol. Fucking classic Nelson right there.

He's a good dude but sometimes he says some real bullshit.


You're mistaken bro. Never said that.
 
This is just my two cents.

During my first cycle years ago, which had D-Bol in it.. i spent the majority of the time binge drinking and partying almost everyday. I got huge as fuuuuuuuck.. and not in a good way. I do not advice this at all. But, even with the steroids and dbol, I did not have any problems with my liver that I knew of. and the only support I was running was milk thistle.

So to sum this up to eliminate any type of confusion about the point I am trying to make. By no means do I support alcohol use while on cycle.. but I don't think drinking a time or two is going to effect you that much. I am sure there are plenty of weekend warriors that are on steroids and orals that go out and binge drink every weekend that are fine.
 
Lol, oh yes you did. I wouldn't lie about that just to start crap.

When Beastdrol came out, you said exactly that.



I'll correct myself.

You said the combination of Big Blast and unleashed would get better results than Monsterdrol, which was the same thing as Beastdrol.
 
I'll correct myself.

You said the combination of Big Blast and unleashed would get better results than Monsterdrol, which was the same thing as Beastdrol.

In a way that's true. It wouldn't work like a steroid, which Monsterdrol does, but I never claimed it did. You could put on more solid mass AND KEEP IT with BIG BLAST. It was potent stuff, -- but sadly, that's gone.
 
This is just my two cents.

During my first cycle years ago, which had D-Bol in it.. i spent the majority of the time binge drinking and partying almost everyday. I got huge as fuuuuuuuck.. and not in a good way. I do not advice this at all. But, even with the steroids and dbol, I did not have any problems with my liver that I knew of. and the only support I was running was milk thistle.

So to sum this up to eliminate any type of confusion about the point I am trying to make. By no means do I support alcohol use while on cycle.. but I don't think drinking a time or two is going to effect you that much. I am sure there are plenty of weekend warriors that are on steroids and orals that go out and binge drink every weekend that are fine.


This is the old, "I knew a guy who smoked cigarettes and lived to be 90" argument. Sure, you might be able to get away with it, but that doesn't change the fact that you're compromising your health and increasing your risk of damage.
 
This is just my two cents.

During my first cycle years ago, which had D-Bol in it.. i spent the majority of the time binge drinking and partying almost everyday. I got huge as fuuuuuuuck.. and not in a good way. I do not advice this at all. But, even with the steroids and dbol, I did not have any problems with my liver that I knew of..

without bloodwork you have no way of knowing how much strain you had.

as i said earlier in the thread you would be shocked at how much strain you get from AAS on your lipids and organs. run bloods sometime deep into cycle and you will see .. its scary
 
we've all said stuff in the past that we have changed our minds about. if you aren't evolving in fitness than you aren't improving .. i never thought 2 years ago i would be benching 400+ for example. back then i thought 3 plates made me cool .. now i think 3 plates is okay but if a dude is 230+ and can only do 3 plates especially on juice i find that pathetic.
 
we've all said stuff in the past that we have changed our minds about. if you aren't evolving in fitness than you aren't improving .. i never thought 2 years ago i would be benching 400+ for example. back then i thought 3 plates made me cool .. now i think 3 plates is okay but if a dude is 230+ and can only do 3 plates especially on juice i find that pathetic.

Careful bro, you don't wanna be doing ego lifts. You gotta watch those joints...

haha.
 
I can't speak for everybody else, but there's something screaming out between the words in this thread: If you're into this sport enough to be using AAS, you really would be best to choose partying OR bodybuilding. Alcohol and fitness mix like democrats and republicans.

Charles
 
^^^ I agree you gotta go all in or you will never even sniff your goals. this takes 24/7 dedication 365 days a year..

now if you want to be a weekend warrior thats your business, but to accomplish that you don't need to juice anyway. hell there are guys who lift for a month and then go on AAS and expect to transform themselves in 1 cycle into Jay Cutler, then they wonder what went wrong when they still are benching 85 pounds and they have 10 inch arms
 
^^^ I agree you gotta go all in or you will never even sniff your goals. this takes 24/7 dedication 365 days a year..

now if you want to be a weekend warrior thats your business, but to accomplish that you don't need to juice anyway. hell there are guys who lift for a month and then go on AAS and expect to transform themselves in 1 cycle into Jay Cutler, then they wonder what went wrong when they still are benching 85 pounds and they have 10 inch arms



Lol people are so dumb sometimes.
 
I can't speak for everybody else, but there's something screaming out between the words in this thread: If you're into this sport enough to be using AAS, you really would be best to choose partying OR bodybuilding. Alcohol and fitness mix like democrats and republicans.

Charles

LOL That is a great analogy my friend!
 
To put it simply, 5 mgs of an oral is comparable in liver strain to about a shot of alcohol.

Whoa, whoa, what?! Tell us where you got this info? :confused:
With all respect, that claim would make c-17 orals so much less harmful than reputed. Of course you didn't say how big of a shot... maybe 350ML? lol... ;)
But seriously, if this were true, I wouldn't worry at all about having some drinks during an oral. Honestly, if you're talking about an "ordinary" shot of, let's say...Vodka. I, myself was quite a drinker years ago and let me tell you it went FAR beyond ten, one ounce shots of Vodka every other night for about 12 years. I was not using any AAS at that time. But I can say that my liver enzymes showed only slight elevation and never once had discolored urine. I'm in good health. Experienced with inj test/primo/bold, but only oral tried recently is Var, which is much less stressful than D-bol. I'm not looking to 'Blow up'.
Another thing to note is that when I was drinking a lot, each 1oz shot of vodka (which is a cleaner liquor-I always bought brands distilled at least 7 times) was mixed with about 10oz of water + a sugar free flavor supplement. Also drank LOTs of water, trained and took good vitamins.
SO...if you say D-bol is only as stressful as a shot of vodka then people needn't worry so much..but I'm not gonna try it. Problem is there are so few REAL studies on substances that are banned. It's well known that Dbol is a staple roid for the true BB at HIGH mg/day and history hasn't given us a lot of examples of these users dying of liver failure. I've seen more reports of people using acetaminophen with liver failure. :chomp:
So ... where did you get that info? :confused:
 
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