damn my step-son is in trouble

[hondas2k666]

i know this doesnt go here but i dont know where else to put it. my step-son has been on probation since september 2006, he was given 1 year of probation for possession of marijuana,possession of weapon, school zone, intent to distribute, and about 2 months after all that, he was arrested for disorderly conduct because he was drunk. he had court for all the charges on the same day and the judge said hes gonna give him a choice to take 60 days in a juvenile detention or 1 year of probation so he took the 1 year probation. he is in an adult school and needed 50 credits at the time which is 10 classes, now he only needs 10 credits to graduate by june. and in february 2007(last month) he was arrested for possession of alcohol, the charge was possession of alcohol while underage. he went to his probation officer and told her and she said she has to violate him because the judge knows that hes on probation, but she going to tell the judge that hes been doing good and she will suggest a 6 week boot camp program instead of going to juvie bexcause juvie wont do anything but make things worse for him. hes also been going to a drug and alcohol counseling, he gets the drug/alcohol test twice a week and he hasnt failed any of them. his court date just came and its on march 30th 2007. so what im trying to figure out is if there is a big chance that he will be sent to a juvenile detetion home or will he just have to go to alcohol meetings instead?

even though hes not my real blood son, it still bothers me. hes a good kid but just makes stupid decisions and hes still young. hes 17, 18 in july.

anyone with any imput?

im really worried about him

 

[al420]

A good lawyer should be able to keep him home, IMO.

 

[wrknonit]

A good lawyer can only help. However, maybe a boot camp environment can serve as a wake up call. Maybe they can get him to fly straight before he ends up in an adult facility.

 

[jetty]

Boot camp sounds right. There is also a great documentary on HBO this month about Alcohol and Teens. It nearly put me in tears and i wished i'd seen the movie when i was younger. Also, let him spend an hour or two in a real prison and get a taste of the life he's headed towards. Try San Quentin for a day that will have him mowing your neighbors yard for free and taking choir lessons at your local church. Believe me!

 

[Ralkoh]

I agree with Jetty, boot camp sounds like a good choice for him if you can get him in.... Alot of good kids make the wrong choices, I know my son just turned 18..... I hope all works out for him..

Good Luck

Peace

 

[NYBodyguard]

yeah hes heading straight to a fucking max if he dont change quick its already at an age where people dont change, you should stop trying to see how you can give him a temp fix and think long term, most people doing serious time started out exactly just like him

I feel for you but your not doing him any good even thou you think hes the smartest thing ever and will be a great businessman etc think real you will only be fucking him and yourself up

 

[SpyWizard]

wow, sounds like my niece... try to make it ok for him, his only real option is go with the program, or run away..

once he is 18 things will be different and they will just close his record (seal them) so he can still have a future if he wants..

that's the real thing..

my niece was in foster care, her parents after 1 year of going through all the programs went before a judge and said they would sign over their parental rights to my wife and I...

If he will do the boot camp, that means he still cares... our niece didn't she ended up running away, staying with friends, we talk to her about 1x week, her social workers, lawyer, case worker have all told her she is nuts for slapping our hands away from her...

our requirments

go to school (any school)
get a job that will pay the $20 per month for the cell phone we gave her and $45 per month for the car we gave her


she refused.. and ran away..

cops and detectives told us the same thing, at 17 1/2 they won't go looking for her. So far i have had to go and get her from the cops, the last time i told them i wouldn't come, she would leave my house after i came to get her, for them to do whatever they wanted.. they released her, at 1:30am on her own..

I have to keep her listed as a runaway, otherwise any damage, and or truancy issues, they courts could fine us...

She just got her GED this week, she turns 18 april 19th... so good luck to her, God Bless...

 

[youngbull]

i know this doesnt go here but i dont know where else to put it. my step-son has been on probation since september 2006, he was given 1 year of probation for possession of marijuana,possession of weapon, school zone, intent to distribute, and about 2 months after all that, he was arrested for disorderly conduct because he was drunk. he had court for all the charges on the same day and the judge said hes gonna give him a choice to take 60 days in a juvenile detention or 1 year of probation so he took the 1 year probation. he is in an adult school and needed 50 credits at the time which is 10 classes, now he only needs 10 credits to graduate by june. and in february 2007(last month) he was arrested for possession of alcohol, the charge was possession of alcohol while underage. he went to his probation officer and told her and she said she has to violate him because the judge knows that hes on probation, but she going to tell the judge that hes been doing good and she will suggest a 6 week boot camp program instead of going to juvie bexcause juvie wont do anything but make things worse for him. hes also been going to a drug and alcohol counseling, he gets the drug/alcohol test twice a week and he hasnt failed any of them. his court date just came and its on march 30th 2007. so what im trying to figure out is if there is a big chance that he will be sent to a juvenile detetion home or will he just have to go to alcohol meetings instead?

even though hes not my real blood son, it still bothers me. hes a good kid but just makes stupid decisions and hes still young. hes 17, 18 in july.

anyone with any imput?

im really worried about him

I had a brother that seemed to make stupid mistakes one after another and he finally ended up in prison. He is a good guy and would give you the shirt off his back but it took some time away from home to set him right.

 

[paramp]

undefinedSir, I worked in a juvenile work camp as a National Guardsman MP (DOD run) a number of years ago and what I can tell you is that these type of programs are extremely expensive to man, maintain, etc. Normally the courts will do what ever they can to limit the number of "offenders" sent to these type of places. With the probation officers possitive endorcement and with the realitively minor offences I would believe that he stands a better than good chance that they will extend his probation. Of course each state is different.

i know this doesnt go here but i dont know where else to put it. my step-son has been on probation since september 2006, he was given 1 year of probation for possession of marijuana,possession of weapon, school zone, intent to distribute, and about 2 months after all that, he was arrested for disorderly conduct because he was drunk. he had court for all the charges on the same day and the judge said hes gonna give him a choice to take 60 days in a juvenile detention or 1 year of probation so he took the 1 year probation. he is in an adult school and needed 50 credits at the time which is 10 classes, now he only needs 10 credits to graduate by june. and in february 2007(last month) he was arrested for possession of alcohol, the charge was possession of alcohol while underage. he went to his probation officer and told her and she said she has to violate him because the judge knows that hes on probation, but she going to tell the judge that hes been doing good and she will suggest a 6 week boot camp program instead of going to juvie bexcause juvie wont do anything but make things worse for him. hes also been going to a drug and alcohol counseling, he gets the drug/alcohol test twice a week and he hasnt failed any of them. his court date just came and its on march 30th 2007. so what im trying to figure out is if there is a big chance that he will be sent to a juvenile detetion home or will he just have to go to alcohol meetings instead?

even though hes not my real blood son, it still bothers me. hes a good kid but just makes stupid decisions and hes still young. hes 17, 18 in july.

anyone with any imput?

im really worried about him

 

[jochensa]

get a good lawyer my friend. should be able to build a good enough case to keep him home. as much as boot camp sounds like a story book ending it is one a fantasy ending. you dont want him to rub elbows with the dregs of society in the boot camp. it only works on TV. he is only going to get so many chances with that PO tho. Have a sit down with him (just you and him). it worked with my 20 yr old brother in law. I just told him he was hurting the family, who had already been thru enough. forget about yourself for a sec and think about how it would hurt those you love to see you get locked up......something like that. Or just tell him to be more careful. Let his freinds/him come by your place and have a few or stay over.............

 

[hondas2k666]

oh, trust me, he knows whats right and wrong, he just doesnt know whos a good person and whos a bad person until he gets in trouble. he already enrolled to the community college and after he finsihes his 2 classes in adult high school, then he'll graduate in june. which he will do the classes. his mother father and brother all didnt go to college and he is destined to go and succeed. the thing is, his parents left him when he was born, they left him with his grandmother and his father moved to ny and his mother was knowwhere to be found. she finally came back 2 years ago and that kinda caused some trouble because his mother wants to tell him what to do so he says that she wasnt there all his life, that she has no right even though she is his mother. the family all fight and argue alot and he just turns to his friends instead of dealing with family problems and he just drinks his problems away wen ever there is a family fight. he not an alcoholic i guess. i mean he drinks maybe once or twice within 2 months but he just drinks so much and doesnt know what hes doing and always mouth off to the cops when they come. its just that hes thinkin since knowone cared about him wen he was young, why should they anyone care now. he doesnt want anyone. he listens to us and especially his grandmother. he listens to his grandmother the most more then anyone. but she sleeps at around 9-10 pm and then he goes out and theres just so much that she can do. he knows that drinking is bad especially at that age but we cant lock him in his room til hes 21. in the daytime, he stays home, worksout with me, then stays home and i go to work and my wife does too. his mother also spoils the shit out of his brother even though he has no job and doesnt go to college. he gets jealous but he then jus drinks his problems away. his father isnt much better. him and his older brother go visit him once every 3 moths and he'll give them like $500 each but come on now, $2000 each for a year? its whatever with him. they just go for the money because they know hes an asshole. i just dont know whut to do. i treat him as my own son and he knows that.

 

[mikey007]

Yea he needs a reality check. let him do the time next time. I used to work in a prison and "scared straight" does work for some kids. Also sounds like he needs extensive counseling too.

 

[misticat]

I would have to agree here... i was a troubled teenager too. Got in all sorts of shit with the law...I got put in county for 90 days and it was like a light switch being around real losers.

I feel you about wanting to do something but a little tuff love works well... Just be very supportive and sympathetic. And help him when he gets out, put him back in some good shoes.

 

[off_safety]

aside from posessing a weapon, i got in trouble for the same things when i was a teen. i dont think drinking and smoking weed means your headed for the pen. i think everbody here did the same things when they were younger, only problem is your stepson keeps getting caught.
im not saying he needs to be sneakier or anything, it just doesnt seem like he's committing major crimes like assault, theft, or getting dui's and stuff like that. get a lawyer to keep him out of juvy, but help him understand that when he turns 18 he goes to bigboy jail, and this shit will be on his record for life.
just my .O2, good luck bro. he's lucky to have a dad who even gives a shit about him, blood or not. props to you man. he'll find his way. we all do, just at our own pace.

 

[needtogetaas]

i know this doesnt go here but i dont know where else to put it. my step-son has been on probation since september 2006, he was given 1 year of probation for possession of marijuana,possession of weapon, school zone, intent to distribute, and about 2 months after all that, he was arrested for disorderly conduct because he was drunk. he had court for all the charges on the same day and the judge said hes gonna give him a choice to take 60 days in a juvenile detention or 1 year of probation so he took the 1 year probation. he is in an adult school and needed 50 credits at the time which is 10 classes, now he only needs 10 credits to graduate by june. and in february 2007(last month) he was arrested for possession of alcohol, the charge was possession of alcohol while underage. he went to his probation officer and told her and she said she has to violate him because the judge knows that hes on probation, but she going to tell the judge that hes been doing good and she will suggest a 6 week boot camp program instead of going to juvie bexcause juvie wont do anything but make things worse for him. hes also been going to a drug and alcohol counseling, he gets the drug/alcohol test twice a week and he hasnt failed any of them. his court date just came and its on march 30th 2007. so what im trying to figure out is if there is a big chance that he will be sent to a juvenile detetion home or will he just have to go to alcohol meetings instead?

even though hes not my real blood son, it still bothers me. hes a good kid but just makes stupid decisions and hes still young. hes 17, 18 in july.

anyone with any imput?

im really worried about him

what state do you live in.this will have a impact on the out come.

 

[paradox]

I served in the marines for 4 years and I seen some guys completly change there life there. But you have to want to turn your life around.

 

[needtogetaas]

i know this doesnt go here but i dont know where else to put it. my step-son has been on probation since september 2006, he was given 1 year of probation for possession of marijuana,possession of weapon, school zone, intent to distribute, and about 2 months after all that, he was arrested for disorderly conduct because he was drunk. he had court for all the charges on the same day and the judge said hes gonna give him a choice to take 60 days in a juvenile detention or 1 year of probation so he took the 1 year probation. he is in an adult school and needed 50 credits at the time which is 10 classes, now he only needs 10 credits to graduate by june. and in february 2007(last month) he was arrested for possession of alcohol, the charge was possession of alcohol while underage. he went to his probation officer and told her and she said she has to violate him because the judge knows that hes on probation, but she going to tell the judge that hes been doing good and she will suggest a 6 week boot camp program instead of going to juvie bexcause juvie wont do anything but make things worse for him. hes also been going to a drug and alcohol counseling, he gets the drug/alcohol test twice a week and he hasnt failed any of them. his court date just came and its on march 30th 2007. so what im trying to figure out is if there is a big chance that he will be sent to a juvenile detetion home or will he just have to go to alcohol meetings instead?

even though hes not my real blood son, it still bothers me. hes a good kid but just makes stupid decisions and hes still young. hes 17, 18 in july.

anyone with any imput?

im really worried about him

your kid is going to get sent some were when he gos to court....the ??? now is were...and here is some thing to think about.even if he gets sent to jew-v
and the judge gives him 60-90 days I give him 2 weeks tops and he will be out on a bed crunch and on tracking.jew-v halls are packed they ant got room for
them all and when knew kids come in they send kids with smaller records like your son home to make room for the others.its called a bed crunch and they do it like 3-4 times a week.......your kids charges are nothing compared to the ones I had and I was sent home in a week.

 

[daveyboy2345]

get him involved in recreational bodybuilding and nutrition, this will keep him away from his loser friends and give him structure in his life.

 

[hondas2k666]

this happened in nj where we live. o i know, he works out with me, i bring him to the vitaminn shoppe and we buy are shit, he works out with me. no juice for him tho. he doesnt know im on it tho. he also has an anger problem and tends to punch walls in his room when hes pissed. so i bought him a 100 pound punching bag, hasnt punched a wall since. hes in drug and alcohol counseling now, his probation officer told him to go. im really hoping that he doesnt have to go away, maybe extended probation and fines, i just dont think that juvie will do anything to him but make things worse considering that the kids in there kill people, rob houses,steal cars, assualts, worse things then just possession of alcohol

 

[paradox]

this happened in nj where we live. o i know, he works out with me, i bring him to the vitaminn shoppe and we buy are shit, he works out with me. no juice for him tho. he doesnt know im on it tho. he also has an anger problem and tends to punch walls in his room when hes pissed. so i bought him a 100 pound punching bag, hasnt punched a wall since. hes in drug and alcohol counseling now, his probation officer told him to go. im really hoping that he doesnt have to go away, maybe extended probation and fines, i just dont think that juvie will do anything to him but make things worse considering that the kids in there kill people, rob houses,steal cars, assualts, worse things then just possession of alcohol

Seriously suggest to him that he enlist in the marines and talk to the recuiter about going into a infantry unit. It will either make or break him.

 

[hondas2k666]

he already applied for college. he has no interest in going into the marines or army though.

 

[pitbullrocco]

there aint nobody around who can take his ass out behind the shed and kick the shit out of it? that is what he needs. a good ass whooping. somebody punch the fucker out.

 

[hondas2k666]

there aint nobody around who can take his ass out behind the shed and kick the shit out of it? that is what he needs. a good ass whooping. somebody punch the fucker out.

i mean, thats not exactly right either. it will just get him mopre pissed. and hes a crazy little fucker too when it comes to fighting, hes been in about 9-10 fights in his freshman and sophmore year, 2 in school. ive seen 1, i was home watching tv and hes outside on the phone and all of a sudden 2 kids that ive seen before come by and they seem pissed and wanted to fight him, they sed something but i didnt hear cuz the window was closed. i thought he was their friend so i didnt think of anything happening like that. but the 2 kids started holding their fist up. he ran up to both of them, kiccked one in the nuts, punched the other kid in his throat and they were both in pain, he hooked 1 twice in the face and he dropped, the other on was bent over holding his nuts and he kneed him in the face and he dropped, i ran outside and sed wat was going on and he sed these 2 kids came here starting shit with him saying that the kid he fought in school wasnt fair and he sucker punched him or something. but its a god damn fight and those 2 kids came expecting to jump him. thats not the point tho. violence is never the way to solve something and ive been through the fights myself, it does nothing but stir up more trouble. he hasnt been in a fight for over a year, he just learns to laugh at them and doesnt take it seriously cuz most of the poeple here dont mess with him since they know hes a crazy little fuck. hes changed alot over the 1 year when he started working out with me and controlling his temper ont he punching bag.

 

[xrsist]

sounds like he needs his head pulled in and you should be doin this! doing some time will straighten him out and if you cant controll him n he keeps going it sounds like thats where hes gona end up..

 

[jochensa]

i did a year well a year ago upstate. i some kids i knew from the party scene that have been and out of lock up since they were 17. they are totally fucked up from it. living in a hard guy fantasy world. from home brew to drugs. it was almost just like being on the street for them. in some ways they used it to kinda clean up form hard core shit like oc's and h. sucks cuz they are nice kids but cant escape lockup. for them it is easy to go back, cuz all their friends are in there. def dont want him to get stuck in that rut

good luck

try and be his friend, it sounds like he hasnt had a real one his whole life!!!!

 

[KD1]

anyone with any imput?

im really worried about him

The legal problems your kid is in is the least of his worries.

The larger problem is he is a big time fuck up with no future if he doesent grow up soon. In fact he will likely never reach 25 at his current rate.

I would send him to the boot camp and talk him into joining the marines ( or the army if he is a weakling ). Then if he gets killed at least its fighting for our country. And if he makes it back he will have his head screwed on strait.

 

[bigthrower]

KID NEEDS COUSELLING, A SENSE OF DIRECTION,AND A SENSE OF BELONGING.

HE NEEDS HOPE AND AN OUTLET FOR HIS ENERGIES/ANGER/PAIN.

HE NEEDS HELP NOT PUNISHMENT.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE A GOOD DAD AND FRIEND, JUST KEEP DOING THAT, GOOD LUCK!

i mean it and thats all deliberately in caps

 

[hondas2k666]

thanks for all your help bros. hes been a pretty good kid the past year, hopefully when he drinks, he wont get caught. and if he does get caught, he wont run his mouth to cops cuz no matter how much of a dick the cop is, he can do wateber he wants.

 

[bmcadoo44]

Sounds to me that your step son needs a good old fashioned ass woopin to set him straight.

 

[tin2]

Wow the US has some fuked up laws... Getting caught with alcohol and charged.. wtf.. In canada woulda just made him dump it out and give him a ticket at most.. Even with weed they just throw it away and give u a ticket ..I believe if u get caught with an ounce or less of green its $178.00 fine LOl... In Van they rip up small bags of down.. Your being good to your step son, he had to deal with a bunch of asshole cops.. Teens gonna get in trouble and learn the hard way. Bootcamp would be good , But its not nessesary for ur stepson.. He dont sound so bad to me, we all did shit like that or worse..

 

[luigisacs]

there aint nobody around who can take his ass out behind the shed and kick the shit out of it? that is what he needs. a good ass whooping. somebody punch the fucker out.

+1

My father used to smack the shit out of me. Kept me on the straight and narrow.

 

[SpyWizard]

sounds like he needs his head pulled in and you should be doin this! doing some time will straighten him out and if you cant controll him n he keeps going it sounds like thats where hes gona end up..

it might fix him..

but if you don't fight for him not to go.. he'll just refocus his anger and blame you for everything..

good luck..

 

[advanced-stealth]

A good lawyer will help but also you need to have a long talk with him about where he is heading with his life good luck.

 

[xrsist]

it might fix him..

but if you don't fight for him not to go.. he'll just refocus his anger and blame you for everything..

good luck..

from what i know it will.. a big tough 18yr old kid isnt so big n tough once he walks inside, then he will start to think to him self 'do i really wanna come back here'..

 

[Mrpumped]

Try sitting down and making a deal with him. Lokk in your local area on the net for AA or NA meetings. Make an agreement with him to go sit in at leat a couple of meetings. After he hears what drugs and alcohol has done to so many others, it might help him to see the what the future will hold for those behaviors. To be honest, you can only try, the change has to be what he really wants to do. Good Luck.

 

[big.nad]

no harm to him but he doesnt seem to want to learn by his mistakes. many chances does he need.

its a good boot up the hole he needs.

u say he gets tested twice a week for alcohol and drugs, and passed all of them??? then why was he cuaght with drink while being underage?

no offence man but i know people that were jailed for things they didnt do. this guy should have caught himself on long b4 now!

 

[hondas2k666]

the thing is that alcohol only stays in ur system for so long and its out really quick. they say if your blood alcohol level is 1.5 which is wated out of ur mind, the alcohol will be out of your system within 10 hours. so he gets tested every tuesday and thursday. he can drink on wednesday, get wasted and still pass thursdays test, but they focus mainly on drugs and i know he doesnt do drugs anymore. the only drugs he did was weed and he told me that he gets bad highs and just feels like shit when he smokes so he choses not to smoke. i believe him. im just worried about him going to juvie for possession of alcohol. but then again, they might bring back his old charges with the weed and weapon since hes still on probation.

 

[xrsist]

just make sure he hasnt gone from smoking weed to smoking meth..

 

[BigBlu]

Seriously suggest to him that he enlist in the marines and talk to the recuiter about going into a infantry unit. It will either make or break him.

How is being trained to kill other people going to make a 'good man' out of this kid? This is what I don't get about people. They seem to be oblivious to the purpose of the Defence Forces (now Attack Forces). It looks all glorious with nice uniforms, high tech machinery and ego inflating weapons. Where is the glory in being a marine? Ask anyone that has been in actual combat. How is he going to benefit having an officer shouting obscenities at him during training going to make him at peace with himself. Forced discipline works for nobody.

I would probe him for his source of anger/rebellion and help him channel it in another direction. Bodybuilding did it for me. I doubt I would be alive today if it wasn't for BB and good medication. I was a kid born into the conflict of Apartheid in South Africa. I became angry and violent and let me tell you that violence solves NOTHING! Help him to see the best side of himself and he will choose.....

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Boot camp sounds right. There is also a great documentary on HBO this month about Alcohol and Teens. It nearly put me in tears and i wished i'd seen the movie when i was younger. Also, let him spend an hour or two in a real prison and get a taste of the life he's headed towards. Try San Quentin for a day that will have him mowing your neighbors yard for free and taking choir lessons at your local church. Believe me!

dont watch something like that on clomid.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Seriously suggest to him that he enlist in the marines and talk to the recuiter about going into a infantry unit. It will either make or break him.

yea join the marines. we have a kid here that likes to drink smoke weed and get out of control. yea join a branch in the military where they are known for getting drunk, weed, fighting and he will stay out of trouble. The boot camp idea for teens is costly but it does good. they instill discipline, work ethic, and puts the fear of God in them. I worked for a boys home in texas with the worst of the worst kids in the state. They left juvy and came to us. Some kids went to boot camp from us by choice and came back a whole new person. His life was not easier but it changed for the better. Once he is back he or yall need to move from his current circle of friends. If he goes back to them all the everytime he gets off or out of trouble he will only grt in more trouble.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

How is being trained to kill other people going to make a 'good man' out of this kid? This is what I don't get about people. They seem to be oblivious to the purpose of the Defence Forces (now Attack Forces). It looks all glorious with nice uniforms, high tech machinery and ego inflating weapons. Where is the glory in being a marine? Ask anyone that has been in actual combat. How is he going to benefit having an officer shouting obscenities at him during training going to make him at peace with himself. Forced discipline works for nobody.

I would probe him for his source of anger/rebellion and help him channel it in another direction. Bodybuilding did it for me. I doubt I would be alive today if it wasn't for BB and good medication. I was a kid born into the conflict of Apartheid in South Africa. I became angry and violent and let me tell you that violence solves NOTHING! Help him to see the best side of himself and he will choose.....

Forced discipilne wokrs for thousands of soldierss who go through boot camps!!!! I came out a much better person. gave me a work ethic that i did not have when I was a kid. When I was forced to complete a task all the way through it showed me things about myself. Forced discipline is great!!!!!!

 

[BigBlu]

Forced discipilne wokrs for thousands of soldierss who go through boot camps!!!! I came out a much better person. gave me a work ethic that i did not have when I was a kid. When I was forced to complete a task all the way through it showed me things about myself. Forced discipline is great!!!!!!

It may have worked for you. I don't know what you mean by becoming 'a much better person', relative to who or what? We are all humans with a free will that doesn't enjoy supression of expression. We're moving into a new era bro. One where we need learn and project self-love. Telling people how to live their lives doesn't work anymore. Take a look at governments. They tell you what to do everyday. Do you like it?

The kid needs to know that some gives a fuck about him and show him his immense potential as a human. Military brainwashing might make you behave like a good automaton, but that is not necessarily 'good' for anyone. It just makes people behave in a manner that other people believe to be 'acceptable'.

I appreciate your perspective, but it's a bit old school.

 

[D_Mac]

i know this doesnt go here but i dont know where else to put it. my step-son has been on probation since september 2006, he was given 1 year of probation for possession of marijuana,possession of weapon, school zone, intent to distribute, and about 2 months after all that, he was arrested for disorderly conduct because he was drunk. he had court for all the charges on the same day and the judge said hes gonna give him a choice to take 60 days in a juvenile detention or 1 year of probation so he took the 1 year probation. he is in an adult school and needed 50 credits at the time which is 10 classes, now he only needs 10 credits to graduate by june. and in february 2007(last month) he was arrested for possession of alcohol, the charge was possession of alcohol while underage. he went to his probation officer and told her and she said she has to violate him because the judge knows that hes on probation, but she going to tell the judge that hes been doing good and she will suggest a 6 week boot camp program instead of going to juvie bexcause juvie wont do anything but make things worse for him. hes also been going to a drug and alcohol counseling, he gets the drug/alcohol test twice a week and he hasnt failed any of them. his court date just came and its on march 30th 2007. so what im trying to figure out is if there is a big chance that he will be sent to a juvenile detetion home or will he just have to go to alcohol meetings instead?

even though hes not my real blood son, it still bothers me. hes a good kid but just makes stupid decisions and hes still young. hes 17, 18 in july.

anyone with any imput?

im really worried about him

Encourage the boot camp, it will do a few things for him.

Get him in damn good shape
Teach him some self discipline
Put a hard reminder on him about getting in trouble.

When I was younger I drank and fought a lot, it caught up with me eventually and I spent a night in Jail. Looking back on it if I had spent that night earlier in life I would have saved myself more than one blackout night, a few aviodable fights (most I was in the right, but some coulda been avioded) and a few good friendships that I miss, as well as a couple grand in fines and court fees....

Send him to boot camp, show him it's an opportunity not a punishment, it will improve him all around and he will be looking good when he gets out.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

It may have worked for you. I don't know what you mean by becoming 'a much better person', relative to who or what? We are all humans with a free will that doesn't enjoy supression of expression. We're moving into a new era bro. One where we need learn and project self-love. Telling people how to live their lives doesn't work anymore. Take a look at governments. They tell you what to do everyday. Do you like it?

The kid needs to know that some gives a fuck about him and show him his immense potential as a human. Military brainwashing might make you behave like a good automaton, but that is not necessarily 'good' for anyone. It just makes people behave in a manner that other people believe to be 'acceptable'.

I appreciate your perspective, but it's a bit old school.

Someone is in the middle of PCT? self love. hahahahaha yes we need to love ourselves. For a person who as this kid is self love will not help him. he needs direction. all this free bullshit you speak of is killing our kids. Since we have cut back on ass whoopins and startted time outs our country has gone to shit. look at our crime rate and unwed children whose brothers and sisters all have different daddys.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

You have to have goverments tell you what to do if not then there would be chaos and anarchy. true I dont like a lot of laws they have. it made me a better person not compared to anyone other than myself. it showed me i could do something as difficult as bootcamp. Attitudes like yours is whats turning our kids into a bunch of pussies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[D_Mac]

Someone is in the middle of PCT? self love. hahahahaha yes we need to love ourselves. For a person who as this kid is self love will not help him. he needs direction. all this free bullshit you speak of is killing our kids. Since we have cut back on ass whoopins and startted time outs our country has gone to shit. look at our crime rate and unwed children whose brothers and sisters all have different daddys.

+1

 

[txbondsman]

good lawyers make great enablers! put your money away, let him make the choices then pay for them himself. Family digging them out of their shit only makes the pit bigger and deeper. You reading this from one who knows, I have a PHD. That's "Prolonged History of Drugs".
Help him when he helps himself first. Then and only then. period. You can be there for him, talk to him, put money on his books for commissary if he lands in juvi, but don't enable him to kill himself by buying his freedom.
Worked in a rehab center for 2 years, I have seen alot and experienced more. If you want further advise, PM me and we can go into it further.
Take my advise. Been there, done that...

 

[D_Mac]

get a good lawyer my friend. should be able to build a good enough case to keep him home. as much as boot camp sounds like a story book ending it is one a fantasy ending. you dont want him to rub elbows with the dregs of society in the boot camp. it only works on TV. he is only going to get so many chances with that PO tho. Have a sit down with him (just you and him). it worked with my 20 yr old brother in law. I just told him he was hurting the family, who had already been thru enough. forget about yourself for a sec and think about how it would hurt those you love to see you get locked up......something like that. Or just tell him to be more careful. Let his freinds/him come by your place and have a few or stay over.............

Talk about a fantasy ending...

If that works I'm Mikhail Gorbachev

 

[D_Mac]

this happened in nj where we live. o i know, he works out with me, i bring him to the vitaminn shoppe and we buy are shit, he works out with me. no juice for him tho. he doesnt know im on it tho. he also has an anger problem and tends to punch walls in his room when hes pissed. so i bought him a 100 pound punching bag, hasnt punched a wall since. hes in drug and alcohol counseling now, his probation officer told him to go. im really hoping that he doesnt have to go away, maybe extended probation and fines, i just dont think that juvie will do anything to him but make things worse considering that the kids in there kill people, rob houses,steal cars, assualts, worse things then just possession of alcohol

What do you think guys in big boy prison do???

He isn't going to jail for possession of alcohol, he is going for parole violation. The original crime was possesing enough pot to look like a dealer and having a weapon, thats the behavior that WILL land him in big boy jail...

Really man, better he go now and get it out of his system. If he goes there now maybe he will room with a murderer and it will scare the shit out of him, and he will decide it ain't worth it.

He is pushing the law, he was on probation and still walks around with alcohol..

He walks around with a decent amount of weed...

Sounds like he needs new friends and a new attitude, a sit down talk won't give that to him.

 

[Papa Lion]

though I've grown up quite a bit since my younger wilder days granted I'll be 29 here pretty soon... that all seems like alifetime ago.... my personal opinion having had more run ins with the law than I care to count in public... and having a an older brother who has has done more years in prison than my heart wants to count and more to go (thank god my little brother good... for my mothers sake!!)... I say the worst thing you can do for him is get him a good lawyer... right now he's not lookin at anything too big and if his PO is pulling for him that holds ALOT of weight witha judge.... 6 weeks will come and go quicker than a cunt hair on a stripper... they'll have him on a workout program and maybe give him a little discipline... they will also give him a little taste of what it's like when someone else is running your life (which is really the best thing he will experience outta that program)... which is exactly what he'll get if he's keeps on going on the road he's on... not to mention the quality people you will be immersing yourself in!! all it takes is for one bad night when your a little drunk and things begin turning towards a direction that will lead you to the big house.... and drugs and alcohol usually tend to dull your gut reactions and liquid courage wears away shortly after it's all too late.... that's to say if he doesn't just end up in an accident.... you can do hard time for something as little (in most people's books) as a dui.... had a family friend that went to prison for 3 years having fallen asleep at the wheel after drinking he was below the legal limit at the time but it had been a long day of driving.... hit a car and the other driver broke their ankle in the crash... he ended up with a list of charges... one being dui... another a felony assault... one thing most people don't realize is there is actually no such thing as a "legal limit" for intoxication.... if you are pulled over and blow below the "legal limit" but the officer still has reason that you are incapable of operating a motor vehicle.... he may still ake you to jail... and charge you with dui!!! also in dui cases it is rare that is your only charge... they tack on wreckless endangerment etc etc.... and that is if you didn't wreck your car.... then they plea you down to feeling good about only getting a dui!! and that is just dumb kid shit and many of us have had at least one dui if you drink long enough and get behind the wheel enough times eventually you pulll a case... it all fairly minor... maybe.... but things can go bad quickly... you kill somebody in a dui wreck... you're f'd bigtime and yeah you'll be going to the big house... and it is a fine line between stickin your car in a ditch, and hurting somebody in another car.... and keep in mind you don't actually have to "injure" them as some folks are waitin for a fender bender to get a little spending cash from whiplash etc!! anyways sorry to take up so much of your time.... best of luck with all of it!! I hope things work out for the best.... thta's not to say the easist or most painless... but for the overall best!!

-Papa Lion-

 

[Advisor_x]

Hope boot camp will help him........

 

[BigBlu]

+1

My father used to smack the shit out of me. Kept me on the straight and narrow.

No wonder we live in world where we think violence is the answer!

We can't live by the premise "my dad did it to me", so I might as well teach the next motherfucker that comes a lesson......blah, blah, blah. That is caveman thinking bro.

 

[D_Mac]

No wonder we live in world where we think violence is the answer!

We can't live by the premise "my dad did it to me", so I might as well teach the next motherfucker that comes a lesson......blah, blah, blah. That is caveman thinking bro.

Not violence, discipline bro...

When it comes to the law and a job when you fuck up there are consequences, if you bail your kid out of everything, then he doesn't learn. Even if he gets off there are lawyer fees, he should have to pay them, not Dad. Dad won't be around forever and he will have to get by on his own. Tough love is the answer here.

 

[perp69]

Sometimes it is best to let the cards fall where they must. Maybe a little jail time will wake him up. He is a juvie right so record will be wiped clean usually.

Perp

 

[BigBlu]

You have to have goverments tell you what to do if not then there would be chaos and anarchy. true I dont like a lot of laws they have. it made me a better person not compared to anyone other than myself. it showed me i could do something as difficult as bootcamp. Attitudes like yours is whats turning our kids into a bunch of pussies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me apologize in advance to all the decent American bros on this board before I launch into this. It is aimed at all the armchair warriors in this thread.

Lets talk about pussies, my friend. Isn't ignorance bliss!? Take a look at your fine country right now at this time in human history. It has perpetrated and/or initiated more violence over the past two and a half centuries than any other country on this planet. You also have the highest incarceration rate, per capita, in the world. Land of the Free!? You teach your kids that if you don't like someone else's attitude then go over to THEIR country (or neighbourhood) and fuck them up, and then, when they slap you back in the face in self defence then just nuke them. Nothing like a good ass whipping! Join the marines and serve your country. "Hey Billy Bob have you seen what this rocket launcher can do.....it's just like a video game."

The biggest joke is not that the US government thinks that it's the world's foundation of morality and justice, it is actually that we allow you to get away with it, even when we see George W's nose growing longer by the day. Al Qaeda is just a figment of your politician's imagination to keep you folk 'grazing through the pastures in the Land of the Free' like sheep guided by their shepherd. The problem is that your 'shepherd' has his balls in a vice and the tension on his nuts is controlled by the banks, corporations and lobbies that fund the puppet show.

With regards looking to your government for guidance and law and order, take a look at it now. Is this not anarchy?

Your kids 'are only pussies' (according to you) because you send them off to institutions called school, college and the military for unilateral brainwashing in the name of becoming 'a better person' You forego your responsibilty as parents and feel that any 'abnormal' behavior needs medication or bootcamp. It's amazing that kids that have been put on your wonder medications seem to think that mowing down their classmates with an automatic weapon is a solution to their repressed anger....and maybe a part in Natural Born Killers 2.

Take responsibility for your youth and show them love, not Prozac, Ritalin or an Uzi. Progressive evolution (extropy) doesn't come in a capsule or a 9mm cartridge. It comes from the heart not our egos.

Peace. Now!

 

[digger]

"don't know where else to put it" --> the LAW board, bro.

And here's a bump to put it at the top. (You're welcome.)

 

[partagus]

Hey Bro, I have experience working in Juvenile Detention Centers. The judge usually follows what the JPO reccomends. If your step-sons JPO reccomends going to a detention center, that's where he will go. If your step-son is passing drug/alcohol tests, is completing school and has a job, your JPO will usually reccomend release (Sometimes they require a home monitoring unit to be placed on your childs ankle). If your son gets sent to a detention center, he will probably serve 20-30 days with the release stip being that he completes his GED. Most detention centers are over-crowded so he will probably get sent home or a possibley 10 days at a JDC. Contact his JPO and ask what his reccomendations are going to be.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Let me apologize in advance to all the decent American bros on this board before I launch into this. It is aimed at all the armchair warriors in this thread.

Lets talk about pussies, my friend. Isn't ignorance bliss!? Take a look at your fine country right now at this time in human history. It has perpetrated and/or initiated more violence over the past two and a half centuries than any other country on this planet. You also have the highest incarceration rate, per capita, in the world. Land of the Free!? You teach your kids that if you don't like someone else's attitude then go over to THEIR country (or neighbourhood) and fuck them up, and then, when they slap you back in the face in self defence then just nuke them. Nothing like a good ass whipping! Join the marines and serve your country. "Hey Billy Bob have you seen what this rocket launcher can do.....it's just like a video game."

The biggest joke is not that the US government thinks that it's the world's foundation of morality and justice, it is actually that we allow you to get away with it, even when we see George W's nose growing longer by the day. Al Qaeda is just a figment of your politician's imagination to keep you folk 'grazing through the pastures in the Land of the Free' like sheep guided by their shepherd. The problem is that your 'shepherd' has his balls in a vice and the tension on his nuts is controlled by the banks, corporations and lobbies that fund the puppet show.

With regards looking to your government for guidance and law and order, take a look at it now. Is this not anarchy?

Your kids 'are only pussies' (according to you) because you send them off to institutions called school, college and the military for unilateral brainwashing in the name of becoming 'a better person' You forego your responsibilty as parents and feel that any 'abnormal' behavior needs medication or bootcamp. It's amazing that kids that have been put on your wonder medications seem to think that mowing down their classmates with an automatic weapon is a solution to their repressed anger....and maybe a part in Natural Born Killers 2.

Take responsibility for your youth and show them love, not Prozac, Ritalin or an Uzi. Progressive evolution (extropy) doesn't come in a capsule or a 9mm cartridge. It comes from the heart not our egos.

Peace. Now!

First of all this is coming from a guy from ireland who does not even live here. Our kids have been going to schools for years and joinging the military. they are pussies because of people like yourself who want to be nice to these kids and baby them and tell them to love themselves. For someone who does not even live here commenting on what america is and does is like me trying to tell some one from ireland how to drink beer. Who the fuck did we nuke that didnt deserve it? because of what our goverment has done we have to had a terroists attack on out US soil since 9/11. I agree on your comment about the prozac. That again is a result of parents not taking the time to discipline thier kids and making them pussies. you proved my point thanks. Kids dont need time out they need discipline. this si why our crime rate as you said is so high.

So we think we are the worlds morality and justice montior? So if you see another country opressing thier people beating thier women and just hurting those not able to defend themselves is ok? if you had the power to stop someone from getting hurt would you do it? as long or hard as it may be? If you answer no then your a pussy.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

No wonder we live in world where we think violence is the answer!

We can't live by the premise "my dad did it to me", so I might as well teach the next motherfucker that comes a lesson......blah, blah, blah. That is caveman thinking bro.

Showing you give a fuck about your kid is disciplining your kid. You can love your kid and spank them as well. It is called tough love.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

"You teach your kids that if you don't like someone else's attitude then go over to THEIR country (or neighbourhood) and fuck them up, and then, when they slap you back in the face in self defence then just nuke them."


I have never heard of anyone getting that lesson out what our goverment does? has anyone else?

 

[BigBlu]

First of all this is coming from a guy from ireland who does not even live here. Our kids have been going to schools for years and joinging the military. they are pussies because of people like yourself who want to be nice to these kids and baby them and tell them to love themselves. For someone who does not even live here commenting on what america is and does is like me trying to tell some one from ireland how to drink beer. Who the fuck did we nuke that didnt deserve it? because of what our goverment has done we have to had a terroists attack on out US soil since 9/11. I agree on your comment about the prozac. That again is a result of parents not taking the time to discipline thier kids and making them pussies. you proved my point thanks. Kids dont need time out they need discipline. this si why our crime rate as you said is so high.

So we think we are the worlds morality and justice montior? So if you see another country opressing thier people beating thier women and just hurting those not able to defend themselves is ok? if you had the power to stop someone from getting hurt would you do it? as long or hard as it may be? If you answer no then your a pussy.

You make me laugh, but I'm enjoying the debate. Opinions make us unique.

I'm not from Ireland I only live here. I used to live in South Africa for 27 years. I have been in more combat situations than you have seen movies my friend. I KNOW that violence or aggression solves fuck all!!!

The ignorance in this comment "Who the fuck did we nuke that didnt deserve it?", simply blows me away. Then this one is spectacular too "they are pussies because of people like yourself who want to be nice to these kids and baby them and tell them to love themselves". Is that not how they develop behavioral disorders in the first place??? If you love and respect yourself then there is no reason to disrespect, inconvenience or hurt anyone else.

In terms of the US using it's power to stop people oppressing others, I think that your government uses bullshit religious excuses, among others, to go and exploit the resources of a country instead of liberating them. It's all for the $$$. Your soldiers fought alongside ours on the Namibian border with Angola against the infiltration of 'communist Cubans' in the 70's and 80's whilst denouncing Apartheid in South Africa. Absolute hypocrisy!! And what was it that you wanted from Angola......DIAMONDS!!!

I think you should re-read my initial post because it is obvious that you are flaring up from an emotional standpoint and not a rational one.

By the way I don't drink beer, and I have been in your country. Maybe it's time you left Hillbillyville and saw some of the world. The TV lies!!

Your country's children are merely a product of their environment. Take a long hard look at it and then decide if beating discipline into them will make them and the Land of the Free a better place.

From a disciplinary standpoint maybe I should be charged with crimes against your 'citizen silencing' Patriot Act or better still I will get dragged out of my bed by CIA agents tonight and never be seen again.....in the name of peace.

I win.

 

[Papa Lion]

Let me apologize in advance to all the decent American bros on this board before I launch into this. It is aimed at all the armchair warriors in this thread.

Lets talk about pussies, my friend. Isn't ignorance bliss!? Take a look at your fine country right now at this time in human history. It has perpetrated and/or initiated more violence over the past two and a half centuries than any other country on this planet. You also have the highest incarceration rate, per capita, in the world. Land of the Free!? You teach your kids that if you don't like someone else's attitude then go over to THEIR country (or neighbourhood) and fuck them up, and then, when they slap you back in the face in self defence then just nuke them. Nothing like a good ass whipping! Join the marines and serve your country. "Hey Billy Bob have you seen what this rocket launcher can do.....it's just like a video game."

The biggest joke is not that the US government thinks that it's the world's foundation of morality and justice, it is actually that we allow you to get away with it, even when we see George W's nose growing longer by the day. Al Qaeda is just a figment of your politician's imagination to keep you folk 'grazing through the pastures in the Land of the Free' like sheep guided by their shepherd. The problem is that your 'shepherd' has his balls in a vice and the tension on his nuts is controlled by the banks, corporations and lobbies that fund the puppet show.

With regards looking to your government for guidance and law and order, take a look at it now. Is this not anarchy?

Your kids 'are only pussies' (according to you) because you send them off to institutions called school, college and the military for unilateral brainwashing in the name of becoming 'a better person' You forego your responsibilty as parents and feel that any 'abnormal' behavior needs medication or bootcamp. It's amazing that kids that have been put on your wonder medications seem to think that mowing down their classmates with an automatic weapon is a solution to their repressed anger....and maybe a part in Natural Born Killers 2.

Take responsibility for your youth and show them love, not Prozac, Ritalin or an Uzi. Progressive evolution (extropy) doesn't come in a capsule or a 9mm cartridge. It comes from the heart not our egos.

Peace. Now!

I find this to be rather amusing... if you don't mind the over-generalized ignorance... you're listening to and acting on the same kind of media frenzies you acuse Americans of... and to be honest I know of a rare few that actually support GWB and those few that I speak of are the ones sharing his pocket... which is not to say the American people!! if you were to stop 99 out of 100 americans on the street... they will tell you they don't give a rats rotten ass about Iraq or its freedom... they want our boys home!! and that's discounting the one crazy bum begging for beer money!! As for the rest of this tirade... I'm here to talk about training not politics... there are alot of other boards for that... and this thread was not about politics... not in my country... not in yours... it was about a good dad looking for some advice on how to best help his kid (if even not by blood... still his kid) so let's not go an twist into something it's not supposed to be!!

(btw I hope there's been some progress made with the legal outcome!!)

~Papa Lion~

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

You make me laugh, but I'm enjoying the debate. Opinions make us unique.

I'm not from Ireland I only live here. I used to live in South Africa for 27 years. I have been in more combat situations than you have seen movies my friend. I KNOW that violence or aggression solves fuck all!!!

The ignorance in this comment "Who the fuck did we nuke that didnt deserve it?", simply blows me away. Then this one is spectacular too "they are pussies because of people like yourself who want to be nice to these kids and baby them and tell them to love themselves". Is that not how they develop behavioral disorders in the first place??? If you love and respect yourself then there is no reason to disrespect, inconvenience or hurt anyone else.

In terms of the US using it's power to stop people oppressing others, I think that your government uses bullshit religious excuses, among others, to go and exploit the resources of a country instead of liberating them. It's all for the $$$. Your soldiers fought alongside ours on the Namibian border with Angola against the infiltration of 'communist Cubans' in the 70's and 80's whilst denouncing Apartheid in South Africa. Absolute hypocrisy!! And what was it that you wanted from Angola......DIAMONDS!!!

I think you should re-read my initial post because it is obvious that you are flaring up from an emotional standpoint and not a rational one.

By the way I don't drink beer, and I have been in your country. Maybe it's time you left Hillbillyville and saw some of the world. The TV lies!!

Your country's children are merely a product of their environment. Take a long hard look at it and then decide if beating discipline into them will make them and the Land of the Free a better place.

From a disciplinary standpoint maybe I should be charged with crimes against your 'citizen silencing' Patriot Act or better still I will get dragged out of my bed by CIA agents tonight and never be seen again.....in the name of peace.

I win.

Yea you still never answered my questions about nuking someone? I love consipiracy theroies. yea our goverment loves diamonds. You just showed how much of a dumbass you really are with this last post. Dragged out of bed by the CIA? that is funny. That happens all the time. LOL South africa is so much better. lol Yes our children our the product of thier enviroment. An enviroment of people scared to discipline thier kids. S yes we are rasing a bunch of pussies which you will fit right in with. I am done with this thread.


Sorry to the original poster for high jacking this thread. I hope all works out well with you and your step son. I have seen many kids lives changed from boot camps for the better.

 

[BigBlu]

Yea you still never answered my questions about nuking someone? I love consipiracy theroies. yea our goverment loves diamonds. You just showed how much of a dumbass you really are with this last post. Dragged out of bed by the CIA? that is funny. That happens all the time. LOL South africa is so much better. lol Yes our children our the product of thier enviroment. An enviroment of people scared to discipline thier kids. S yes we are rasing a bunch of pussies which you will fit right in with. I am done with this thread.


Sorry to the original poster for high jacking this thread. I hope all works out well with you and your step son. I have seen many kids lives changed from boot camps for the better.

Yeah, keep on treating the symptoms and not the cause. Yes, i am a pussy if that's what compassion and empathy is now called.

 

[BigBlu]

I find this to be rather amusing... if you don't mind the over-generalized ignorance... you're listening to and acting on the same kind of media frenzies you acuse Americans of... and to be honest I know of a rare few that actually support GWB and those few that I speak of are the ones sharing his pocket... which is not to say the American people!! if you were to stop 99 out of 100 americans on the street... they will tell you they don't give a rats rotten ass about Iraq or its freedom... they want our boys home!! and that's discounting the one crazy bum begging for beer money!! As for the rest of this tirade... I'm here to talk about training not politics... there are alot of other boards for that... and this thread was not about politics... not in my country... not in yours... it was about a good dad looking for some advice on how to best help his kid (if even not by blood... still his kid) so let's not go an twist into something it's not supposed to be!!

(btw I hope there's been some progress made with the legal outcome!!)

~Papa Lion~

You make very valid points and I respect them. I just wonder why GWB is still in power if 99% of the population disagree with his plundering.

Bros I apologize for my political rant, but I've been dying to express my observations and opinions on the US government and I drifted off the the topic somewhat. I'm aware that some might have mistaken this as a personal attack on them as Americans. It is not.

Yet, i'm still surprised at the amount of aggression that goes on here though. Some of the suggestions people have made for what this father should do to do his son have been ludicrous.

I'll shut up now. No more politics I promise, unless the DEA interfere with my juice

Back to the joys of Tren

Peace.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

99 percent of the population does not disagree with GWB. you obviously have no clue as to what goes on here which proves my point of you being an idiot and a pussy. This is my last post on here this time. I hate it when people who dont live here think they know how we operate based off of liberal media.

 

[perp69]

You make very valid points and I respect them. I just wonder why GWB is still in power if 99% of the population disagree with his plundering.

Bros I apologize for my political rant, but I've been dying to express my observations and opinions on the US government and I drifted off the the topic somewhat. I'm aware that some might have mistaken this as a personal attack on them as Americans. It is not.

Yet, i'm still surprised at the amount of aggression that goes on here though. Some of the suggestions people have made for what this father should do to do his son have been ludicrous.

I'll shut up now. No more politics I promise, unless the DEA interfere with my juice

Back to the joys of Tren

Peace.

I do love a good debate myself. Any good debate needs to be backed by facts. What facts are you basing your arguement on? As far as citizen on citizen violence goes for population size, Scotland is the winner by a mile by a UN report (this surprised me). The US does not appear to be anywhere near the top as far as that goes. As far government waged war goes maybe when Ireland's Windsor or Liberty Hall is bombed you might change your view. Prehaps we would be better off going back to our ways of isolationism before the world wars. I would be more than certain that the latest popularity polls don't show 99% disliking Bush. He may not be very popular and many Americans may not agree with him but making some poor decisions is not a reason to impeach. Besides he can only do what Congress allows him to do.

But to get back to the point of this thread not that loving and cuddling does not have its purpose but I think this is a unreasonable response for this. Sometimes bad behavior needs negative consequences. That teaches respect and how to follow rules. I don't think telling this kid "Its ok. I know you are misunderstood and don't get enough love is the right answer." Let him sit in jail a bit and see what is in store for him and work on gettin him some therapy.

Perp

 

[D_Mac]

Let me apologize in advance to all the decent American bros on this board before I launch into this. It is aimed at all the armchair warriors in this thread.

Lets talk about pussies, my friend. Isn't ignorance bliss!? Take a look at your fine country right now at this time in human history. It has perpetrated and/or initiated more violence over the past two and a half centuries than any other country on this planet. You also have the highest incarceration rate, per capita, in the world. Land of the Free!? You teach your kids that if you don't like someone else's attitude then go over to THEIR country (or neighbourhood) and fuck them up, and then, when they slap you back in the face in self defence then just nuke them. Nothing like a good ass whipping! Join the marines and serve your country. "Hey Billy Bob have you seen what this rocket launcher can do.....it's just like a video game."

The biggest joke is not that the US government thinks that it's the world's foundation of morality and justice, it is actually that we allow you to get away with it, even when we see George W's nose growing longer by the day. Al Qaeda is just a figment of your politician's imagination to keep you folk 'grazing through the pastures in the Land of the Free' like sheep guided by their shepherd. The problem is that your 'shepherd' has his balls in a vice and the tension on his nuts is controlled by the banks, corporations and lobbies that fund the puppet show.

With regards looking to your government for guidance and law and order, take a look at it now. Is this not anarchy?

Your kids 'are only pussies' (according to you) because you send them off to institutions called school, college and the military for unilateral brainwashing in the name of becoming 'a better person' You forego your responsibilty as parents and feel that any 'abnormal' behavior needs medication or bootcamp. It's amazing that kids that have been put on your wonder medications seem to think that mowing down their classmates with an automatic weapon is a solution to their repressed anger....and maybe a part in Natural Born Killers 2.

Take responsibility for your youth and show them love, not Prozac, Ritalin or an Uzi. Progressive evolution (extropy) doesn't come in a capsule or a 9mm cartridge. It comes from the heart not our egos.

Peace. Now!

He's right, in the last 250 years we have caused the most pain and death in the world, it's true just look at history.

Like, for example;

The Revolutionary War - We shoulda sat that one out, it was the right of the British to tax us, we should have let them keep their rule over their American Colonies, we started that one.

The Napoleonic Wars - It was America that engineered Napoleons take-over of France and ensuing conquest of Europe, not the French.

400,000 TOTAL Russian dead and/or missing
400,000 TOTAL Prussian dead and/or missing
~200,000 TOTAL Austrian dead and/or missing
~300,000 TOTAL Spanish dead and/or missing
200,000 TOTAL British dead and/or missing

The war of 1812, the American side of it, 4400 died....

How Bout Frederick the Greats Conquests? That must have been us too

I can't find a casualty count on all his wars against France, Austria and Russia, but these were probably caused by Americans....

Then of course there is World War One. The Serbian Assasination of Austrian Archduke Ferdinand must have been orchestrated by Americans...

That one led to ;
5,520,000 Allied Deaths

4,386,000 Axis Deaths

We stayed out of the war till the tail end, but it was probably our fault too.

And World War Two, Are we too blame for the millions upon millions the Japanese killed during ethnic cleansings in Manchuria? How bout Pearl Harbor, did we start that war???

And what about Hitler, is the blood he shed on American hands? It is our fault, we shouldn't have stopped the holocaust, but somehow those 6 million jews and millions of Russian, German, British, Italian and French soldiers who died must be the fault of the US. And how about the millions who were killed in Stalin's death camps?...

Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Spanish American War, and the Mexican American War add up to a fraction of the casualties of any one of the "great" European wars above. It's the Europeans who took mass slaughter to a whole new level. The only American conflict that holds a candle to the European conflicts was the Civil War but even then it was nothing compared to the great European wars, and besides, that was a domestic dispute so mind your own fukin business.

But your right, America obviously has caused more death and destruction than anyone else in the world.

 

[D_Mac]

99 percent of the population does not disagree with GWB. you obviously have no clue as to what goes on here which proves my point of you being an idiot and a pussy. This is my last post on here this time. I hate it when people who dont live here think they know how we operate based off of liberal media.

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[PFM]

I agree with everyone on the bootcamp deal. But I've got two cousins in the same shit right now, and all boot camp did was piss them off more, hope it works for you thou.