Cycle Review

[Judo Tom]

I personally just keep cutting cycles very simple. I never saw much long term benefit of including a ton of gear. 60mg of dbol? I dont like that at all. sorry. Thats a lot of dbol and the sides will make losing fat harder and harder.

I would just run test 500mg 1-12 and maybe winny at the end just for looks. adding a ton of drugs wont help burn a ton of fat and they can actually make it harder. I like just test at 500mg because then I can still do lots of cardio without gassing and getting crazy pumps. I use an anti e to keep the bloat down and the sides almost nil. I just focus on diet, not cheating and eating perfectly. If you do that for 12 weeks with test you can easily lose 24lbs of fat.

 

[UA_Iron]

Yeah I'd drop the dbol.

That's like 875mg test/week which might be on the high side.

Clen should ramp up and down

I like the idea of running masteron even though you're on the lean side at all - it'll help prevent any estro and progestin sides (eventhough you'll be running proviron).


What's your diet looking like?

 

[xmalice]

Yeah I'd drop the dbol.

That's like 875mg test/week which might be on the high side.

Clen should ramp up and down

I like the idea of running masteron even though you're on the lean side at all - it'll help prevent any estro and progestin sides (eventhough you'll be running proviron).


What's your diet looking like?

My diet is pretty simple. A typical day looks like this.

Breakfast:
2 scoops of Optimium Nutrition 100% whey protein powder or 1 pure pro 50 RTD shake
1/2 cup of plain oatmeal with about 10 blueberries
1 cup of low sodium V8
4 scoops scivation BCAA
1 tablespoon TRAC creatine
Multi-Vitamin and additional supplements including:
Sesamin
Omega-3
Alpha lipoic acid
L-Carnitine
CLA
OxyElite Pro
ECGC (Green Tea)
Liv-52
Sylmarin
4 glasses of water

Mid Morning Snack:
2 scoops of 100% whey protein powder with 4 scoops of BCAA
1 cup of low sodium v-8
2 celery sticks
1 cup of baby carrots
4 glasses of water

Lunch:
6 ounces of chicken or tuna on a bed of mixed greens with a light raspberry vinaigrette dressing and occasionally a sliced strawberry with it.
10-15 almonds and 3 brazil nuts
Sesamin
Omega-3
Alpha lipoic acid
L-Carnitine
CLA
OxyElite Pro
ECGC (Green Tea)
4 glasses of water

Mid Afternoon Snack:
2 scoops of Optimium Nutrition 100% whey protein powder or a pure pro 50 RTD (depending on what I'm doing and where I am).
1 cup of low sodium V8
4 glasses of water

Dinner:
6 ounces lean beef, chicken, lamb or fish
1/2 sweet potato - plain
1 cup of broccoli (or similar vegetable) or a small salad with a light vinaigrette dressing
4 scoops of BCAA
Sesamin
Omega-3
Alpha lipoic acid
L-Carnitine
CLA
OxyElite Pro
ECGC (Green Tea)
Liv-52
Sylmarin
4 glasses of water

Evening snack:
1 scoop of Optimium Nutrition 100% whey and 1 scoop of Optimium Nutrition 100% casein
1 tablespoon of TRAC creatine
4 glasses of water

I don't eat anything after 9:00pm so the evening snack is usually between 8:30-9:00pm.

Most days are pretty similar. I use an app on my iPhone to track my calorie intake (Lose-It) and it also tracks my fat, carbs, protein, sodium, etc. and I keep my calorie intake between 1,700 and 1,900 calories - my (tested at a the hospitals fitness center) resting metabolic rate is 2108 (I'm an endomorph so it's always been on the low side) so maybe I'm not consuming enough calories. I rarely ever take a cheat day or even a cheat meal. I rarely ever have any alcohol and I never drink when on cycle.

My workout schedule has just changed to splits from full body workouts because I'm just so beat by the end of my workout. I track my workouts with an ipad/iphone app called Gym Buddy and on my full body workouts I was doing a total volume of around 45,000 lbs. on average. May not be a lot for some guys but it was kicking my ass because I'm not in the shape I used to be. Now I'm doing splits and I'm working out much harder as a result and overall (when I combine my workouts) my total volume is much higher than before, averaging around 53,000 lbs. My splits are setup like this:

Day 1 - Chest and Biceps
Day 2 - Cardio
Day 3 - Thighs
Day 4 - Cardio
Day 5 - Shoulders and Triceps
Day 6 - Cardio
Day 7 - Back and Calves

My cardio workouts are short because they are supposed to be my rest days. I keep most of my cardio workouts to around 30 minutes. If I feel like I need it I might take a two day rest at the end of the full 7 days of workouts, I typically feel the need to do this every couple of weeks when I am not recovering as well.

 

[xmalice]

I personally just keep cutting cycles very simple. I never saw much long term benefit of including a ton of gear. 60mg of dbol? I dont like that at all. sorry. Thats a lot of dbol and the sides will make losing fat harder and harder.

I would just run test 500mg 1-12 and maybe winny at the end just for looks. adding a ton of drugs wont help burn a ton of fat and they can actually make it harder. I like just test at 500mg because then I can still do lots of cardio without gassing and getting crazy pumps. I use an anti e to keep the bloat down and the sides almost nil. I just focus on diet, not cheating and eating perfectly. If you do that for 12 weeks with test you can easily lose 24lbs of fat.

Would you run test prop, cyp, enanth and why? Why would you not include Tren Ace in that cycle, it's supposed to be great for helping with fat loss and reducing catabolism on a low calorie diet. Not questioning your knowledge, just wondering if there was a particular reason I'm not aware of.

 

[UA_Iron]

7 scoops of protein in a day is way too much. IMO you should be at 2 scoops at the most for any given day.

Sticking to real food will yield better results, dont be so worried about the #grams of protein you're getting in a day.

Replace the protein in the morning with eggs. Could try in the infamous egg shake:
8 egg whites
2 whole eggs
2 packs splenda
1/2 cup oats

blend, pound over sink incase you puke it up.

That's a lot of V8 bro, replace that with just greens of some sort. Even though it says "low sodium" its still "high sodium"

 

[xmalice]

7 scoops of protein in a day is way too much. IMO you should be at 2 scoops at the most for any given day.

Sticking to real food will yield better results, dont be so worried about the #grams of protein you're getting in a day.

Replace the protein in the morning with eggs. Could try in the infamous egg shake:
8 egg whites
2 whole eggs
2 packs splenda
1/2 cup oats

blend, pound over sink incase you puke it up.

That's a lot of V8 bro, replace that with just greens of some sort. Even though it says "low sodium" its still "high sodium"

Thanks for the advice UA. I'll give it a try. I'm on the go a lot so I have been doing the shakes mostly out of convenience but I think if I plan it all right and cook my foods ahead of time I can make it work. LMAO about pounding it over the sink in case I puke...guessing the first couple times that might be possible. Thanks again!

 

[Judo Tom]

id run cyp/enth not a fan of lots of injects. i wouldnt run tren because of the sides and recovery issues. also once you have a lot of test in your system you dont have to worry about being catabolic and burning muscle. I think people freak out way to much about burning muscle while cutting. you basically wont burn much if any muscle while over 10-12% bf. if you add gear into the mix it is even harder to burn muscle. add in a great diet with lean meats and again its tougher.

uairon is dead on bro 7 scoops of powder means you have some holes in your diet. improve that and im sure you will see even better gains.

good luck!

 

[xmalice]

id run cyp/enth not a fan of lots of injects. i wouldnt run tren because of the sides and recovery issues. also once you have a lot of test in your system you dont have to worry about being catabolic and burning muscle. I think people freak out way to much about burning muscle while cutting. you basically wont burn much if any muscle while over 10-12% bf. if you add gear into the mix it is even harder to burn muscle. add in a great diet with lean meats and again its tougher.

uairon is dead on bro 7 scoops of powder means you have some holes in your diet. improve that and im sure you will see even better gains.

good luck!

Judo Tom - Thanks for taking the time to help me out, it's much appreciated.

 

[Judo Tom]

NP at all bro! Thats what this place is for. keep asking questions, posting ideas, share stories and we all benefit! Keep us posted on what you are gonna do and your results!