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xxbignipperxx

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Ok I am midcycle on my second cycle...this is the catch. My first cycle I ended up at a chubby 187lbs and maintained to 180lbs. Since then, I've been 4 weeks into my second cycle and have lost a bit of bodyfat and am still at 180lbs while strength is up quite a bit and muscles are hardening and better separation. Yes I know I still got a gut.

I know I am very far from some of you guys physique wise...but I am also asian and have a hard time packing on some meat. We are all here to improve our bodies right? So don't be too critical. :)

The color pics were during my first cycle....the black and white are during my second cycle. I lost some of the front shots from my first cycle so I only have a back shot. Please keep in mind that I was severely depressed for the last 3 months due to a bad breakup with the X..:(...currently on Zoloft and hoping things will get better.

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First cycle was Sustanon and Dbol.

Second cycle was Test enanthate, Dbol and EQ. Many bros have already told me that the Dbol i got for my second cycle might have been fake. I took the dbol for about 4 weeks and no pumps, no weight gain, nothing..so I dropped it.
 
I agree with BBU - you need to train naturally longer before starting on gear. You look very young, and from your physique its relatively evident that either you didn't train for long before jumping on the juice, or you didn't train & eat effectively before juicing. Brother, you need to sort those things out BEFORE you get geared up - not after.

I'd drop the gear, because frankly I think you can still improve naturally, and not worry about legal/medical issues.

DrG
 
I agree with the above posts. You should have been natural longer and spent the money from the last two cycles on Protein and food. Train hard and eat right and you should be able to blow away the results you achieved from AAS use.
 
i'm just gonna comment on your anti-depressant issues. fuck zoloft, that stuff is complete horseshit. trust me, i've been through a lot when it comes to mental illness, and the best meds on the market right now are wellbutrin and effexor (basically the same compound, just one is time-release). if i were you i'd tell my doc to get my ass on effexor. do that, get in some exercise everday, be productive, and you'll be a whole new man in about a month. trust me dude.


PLEASE TAKE MY ADVICE!

I promise you won't regret it. I've been there before...
 
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drgoodbody said:
I agree with BBU - you need to train naturally longer before starting on gear. You look very young, and from your physique its relatively evident that either you didn't train for long before jumping on the juice, or you didn't train & eat effectively before juicing. Brother, you need to sort those things out BEFORE you get geared up - not after.

I'd drop the gear, because frankly I think you can still improve naturally, and not worry about legal/medical issues.

DrG
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Bro, I've been training for 6 years. When I was 155lbs my strength was nearly those that were 175ish. I'm almost 23 btw.
 
matto18 said:
i'm just gonna comment on your anti-depressant issues. fuck zoloft, that stuff is complete horseshit. trust me, i've been through a lot when it comes to mental illness, and the best meds on the market right now are wellbutrin and effexor (basically the same compound, just one is time-release). if i were you i'd tell my doc to get my ass on effexor. do that, get in some exercise everday, be productive, and you'll be a whole new man in about a month. trust me dude.


PLEASE TAKE MY ADVICE!

I promise you won't regret it. I've been there before...
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Thanks man, will take a note on that.
 
There is absolutely no way you have been training for 6 years, and still look like that. If you have, might as well quit, not doing you much good.
 
EP330 said:
There is absolutely no way you have been training for 6 years, and still look like that. If you have, might as well quit, not doing you much good.
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Wow thanks for the input. I'm trying to help better my body here...I have no reason to lie.
 
First, it took balls to post your pics. How many other people on this board has done that and asked for opinions? If you haven't posted your pic, then shut your mouth.

Second, you can make some very good gains naturally at this point instead of trying to overcome training and diet defiencies with A.S.

I would start by investing in some very sound training advice (personal trainer?) and really hitting the protein. Don't be discouraged.
 
AAP said:
First, it took balls to post your pics. How many other people on this board has done that and asked for opinions? If you haven't posted your pic, then shut your mouth.

Second, you can make some very good gains naturally at this point instead of trying to overcome training and diet defiencies with A.S.

I would start by investing in some very sound training advice (personal trainer?) and really hitting the protein. Don't be discouraged.
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It's really hard for me to pack on weight. =( Currently I've been feeling a little less depressed and am eating a full 4-5 meals a day in addition to 3 shakes a day. I'll post my pics at the end of the cycle. Ideally I would like to be at a lean 190lbs. Thanks for the encouragement.
 
i disagree with your ethnicity being a contributing factor, i have two asian buddies that are jacked never touched a drop, just a ton of rice!! i think you ought to steer clear of the gear, get things together, and work harder, especially after six years. same situation as you...started five years ago, after breakup, lifted natural for three years went from 130 to 165, now i weigh 210 after three cycles,just my opinion.....
 
xxbignipperxx said:


It's really hard for me to pack on weight. =( Currently I've been feeling a little less depressed and am eating a full 4-5 meals a day in addition to 3 shakes a day. I'll post my pics at the end of the cycle. Ideally I would like to be at a lean 190lbs. Thanks for the encouragement.
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Contact Swole... he'll help you out.
 
I think you need to take a good look at your diet and training my friend.....not to flame but it looks like you've only gone to the gym for a short while let alone taken any anabolics
 
man, I wouldn't touch effexor if I were you, my ex-gf was on that, and I tried to help her come off it, she said the withdrawl symptoms from the medication is the worst feeling in the world, like she wants to kill, and electricity throughout body, like brain is wobbling in water and vision can become messed, she broke down into tears sometimes, I also have another male friend on it, and he said the withdrawl symptoms are pretty bad as well, that he just wants to crawl up into a ball and cry.. it sounds like terrible stuff to me, and I've seen the withdrawl symptoms first hand with my ex-gf.

I mean, both of them admit it works very well, but the withdrawl symptoms are just insane.. and you don't want to depend on medication for life ;/
 
Arms dont look too bad bro, got to work on dieting a bit, take tons of protein and give it your best shot

THATS why you are HERE right?
 
not lokin too bad....keep at it hardcore. btw prozak works just fine, no withdrawls and keeps a steady frame of mind. godluck bro
 
I think your diet is your problem. 5 meals a day with a few protien shakes is not sufficient. If you wish to make the most of your cycle, 8-10 whole food meals should be the norm, with protien shakes post workout, and maybe one in the middle of the night for a quick snack. Most of the benefits of the drugs you are using will not be seen with anything less.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
I think your diet is your problem. 5 meals a day with a few protien shakes is not sufficient. If you wish to make the most of your cycle, 8-10 whole food meals should be the norm, with protien shakes post workout, and maybe one in the middle of the night for a quick snack. Most of the benefits of the drugs you are using will not be seen with anything less.
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8-10...thats alot. :D
 
xxbignipperxx said:


8-10...thats alot. :D
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Not really, its fairly common for serious bodybuilders. Some guys go as high as 12-14 meals a day. Jay Cutler eats a small meal every hour while awake, and splits his sleep up wakes up to eat throughout his rest. Meal frequincy is important for those seeking to maximize gains in muscle mass, and minimize gains in bodyfat while eating a large amount of calories.
 
Very simple. You need to consume at least 250 grams of protein a day, make sure your not getting fake gear, and train hard and heavy. 99% of people I see working out and using gear 1) do not eat enough protein 2) train like girls. If you do those three simple things there is no reason why you shouldn't gain 20 lbs and look ten times better in your post cycle pics.
 
Bro I'm Asian as well. That whole thing about Asian's gaining being more difficult I used to believe as well.

But low and behold, now I'm 190lbs at 5'8" around 10% bf completely NATURAL! And to be honest, my diet hasn't even been the greatest.

You say you've trained 6 years, but has that been 6 HARDCORE years?? I've trained for around 7 years now, but only the last year I'd consider somewhat "hardcore". The first 5-6 years were just kinda doinking around and the diet was neglected.

Starting this month I'm going to bulk cleanly and take things to another level, but still remain natural mind you. I KNOW I'll be able to get to 210-215 by the time April comes around AND drop some bodyfat as well. I'll be taking in 300g-350g of protein daily.

You look alright but that could have been achieved naturally. I think you should drop the juice and be honest with yourself about your diet, training, and REST!
 
I don't know about asians not being able to gain. I've seen a pretty lean asian at about 230ish 5'8". I wouldn't exactally call that tiny. I know a guy at my gym who is asian with a 50" chest and 19.5" arms. He is only 210 though. His legs a back need a bit of work to catch up, but still, he isn't doing bad.
 
Judgeing from the pics diet is the key also up the intensity on your sets,not to sound harsh or anything but i built more muscle than that taking flintstone vitamins.


RADAR
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
I don't know about asians not being able to gain. I've seen a pretty lean asian at about 230ish 5'8". I wouldn't exactally call that tiny. I know a guy at my gym who is asian with a 50" chest and 19.5" arms. He is only 210 though. His legs a back need a bit of work to catch up, but still, he isn't doing bad.
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I agree, while many asians may be thin.....a lot of the asian bodybuilders over in china and japan have very asthetic physiques much like arnold and frank zane. They look excellent!Good point BBF :)
 
you may just need to eat more to bulk more,but let me ask you what are the meals you eating consist of? if you want it bad bro you will write down everything you eat and try many different things until you find the key to what your body needs. good luck though
 
If you want to PM me with your diet and training habits, I will give it the once over and make recommendations.

But at this point, I am guessing it is either, or a combination of both, overtraining and undereating.
 
IrishMobBoss said:
you may just need to eat more to bulk more,but let me ask you what are the meals you eating consist of? if you want it bad bro you will write down everything you eat and try many different things until you find the key to what your body needs. good luck though
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I will post my diet....I have it in excel.
 
My friend this My friend that, shut the fuck up. Holly fuck, I've never read so much bullshit in my life. I suppose your all genetic freaks, and all compete in the IFBB, give it a rest, how can you criticize someone with the balls to post their pics, and welcome critism.


Bignipper, Keep at it bro, definately showing improvement from the last cycle.
 
In my opinion u should start to eat clean and train harder.
i've been training for about 3 1/2 yrs now and have put on 37lbs of solid (!) muscle in that time without any use of aas..

If your diet and training is in order u can achieve this, too.
from ur pics u don't look as if you couldn't gain weight.
allthough it might be a little harder for you as you already have used aas.
But even if you decide not to drop the gear, make sure you eat 300g of protein p. day while on juice, keep calories high and eat frequently..AND train HARDCORE!!
I'm sure you'll make ur way if you stay focused!
 
tony

what did you cycle bro? I dont think you look too bad, back needs more size but your arms have a good deal of thickness.
 
Krazykat said:
nipper how tall are you, and what was your weight to start off with?
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I started off at 162lbs ended up at 187 after first cycle. Right now I'm about 180lbs little leaner and no bloat, and ALOT stronger. I'm about a hair over 5'8.

Hey are you on Audiworld?
 
wheels = legs

If you are juicing and have tiny legs you'll get made fun of bro. It means you do not taking your training seriously.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
wheels = legs

If you are juicing and have tiny legs you'll get made fun of bro. It means you do not taking your training seriously.
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or it means they dont grow very well even if you do train them good, just a thought
 
DaddyX said:


or it means they dont grow very well even if you do train them good, just a thought
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Most guys kid themselves into thinking they train their legs hard. They underestemate their strength, so use weights that are far too light.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
wheels = legs

If you are juicing and have tiny legs you'll get made fun of bro. It means you do not taking your training seriously.
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I thought they were talking about wheels as in cars...the reason why I was wondering is because I have my own wheel company...:) ...so I was like how did you know! Legs I work out once a week heavy...I will post pics soon. My camera is currently acting up. :(
 
I thinkits kind of funny how some of these guys are saying you should train natural for awhile. It's not like you're going to say "shit you're right brr" and stop.your cycle. lol

Some peoples kids

Train hard and eat even harder bro. We all have to work with what we have.
 
Bro ur looking good man...

I think ull see a huuuge difference if u just watch what u eat a little more..

I know ur probably going nuts on the rice... Drop the carbs and watch ur body take shape rite before ur very eyes....
 
my lil rebuttal

man, I wouldn't touch effexor if I were you, my ex-gf was on that, and I tried to help her come off it, she said the withdrawl symptoms from the medication is the worst feeling in the world, like she wants to kill, and electricity throughout body, like brain is wobbling in water and vision can become messed, she broke down into tears sometimes, I also have another male friend on it, and he said the withdrawl symptoms are pretty bad as well, that he just wants to crawl up into a ball and cry.. it sounds like terrible stuff to me, and I've seen the withdrawl symptoms first hand with my ex-gf.
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the withdrawal symptoms can be hideous. i'll admit that firsthand. i've had hallucinations coming off of effexor and wellbutrin that will scare the shit out of damn near anyone. thats the important thing about the drug: don't miss any dosage days, don't run out of your supply, and always have a well-thought-out plan when coming off (for example, make SURE to have someone stay the night w/you the first few nights coming off). Other than that, this is all I can say: I have scoured the midwest looking for the best shrink possible. I have pretty much been a human guinea pig. I know what works and I know what doesn't, and I'd be willing to bet that most experienced psychiatrists would agree with me; Effexor is the most effective anti-depressant on the market. Sure, if you can get by without it, say fuck it. But if you need it (and there are several people out there that fit under this category) it is well worth taking.

ps - whoever said prozac works for them, well good for them. they make up part of that hideous 20-30% real world prozac success rate...

pss - pm me if you want. i am more than willing to further back my opinions. :D
 
Krazykat said:
and what are your stats, thighs, calves, waist, chest, arm ?
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Tell you the truth I don't know. I don't have a measuring tape...the only way I measured my biceps lol was with my walkman cord, then I measured how long the cord was. :D
 
juiceheadnyc said:
Bro ur looking good man...

I think ull see a huuuge difference if u just watch what u eat a little more..

I know ur probably going nuts on the rice... Drop the carbs and watch ur body take shape rite before ur very eyes....
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Since I posted this thread...went on a shopping spree at costco..it's hard to eat every 1.5 hours. Feeling kinda fat already!:mad:
 
Re: my lil rebuttal

matto18 said:



ps - whoever said prozac works for them, well good for them. they make up part of that hideous 20-30% real world prozac success rate...
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i said that jerk. it worked for me when i was having a tough time with shit. dont come in with your smart ass comments aimed towards me bitch. from your post you sound pretty fucked up "human guinea pig" yeah i would take your advice. besides he wants critiques on his pics. lets stick to the topic as much as possible. anyways, you dont need to eat every 1.5 hours. eat some good healthy clean meals every 3-4 hours. 8 meals a day - no ways possible for me, i have a life and im sure you do as well. goodluck bro. just work on that body fat a bit
 
If it feels like it's makin you fat, it probably is. You want to gain the least amt of fat possible, right?

You don't have to eat every 1.5 hours and 6 meals ED is enough!

Focus more on digesting the food you eat. Eat foods that are easy to digest. Milk and meat gives some people problems. Eggs are usu very easy to digest. Ginger tea can really help. I drink about 3-4 cups of ginger/ginseng tea when I rise. Eating a lot of veggies can help, too.


Also, work on recovery. I like to stretch out in the sun, take alternate hot/cold showers, go in the sauna (my gym has one), and go to be early. Get your lady to rub your back if you can. Try self-myofascial release. Make sure you warm up well prior to going heavy. You should feel a definite rise in body temperature. Drink a lot of water.

Just some ideas for you that won't make you fat. Don't take it as gospel. Listen to your body first and foremost.
 
Singleton said:
If it feels like it's makin you fat, it probably is. You want to gain the least amt of fat possible, right?

You don't have to eat every 1.5 hours and 6 meals ED is enough!

Focus more on digesting the food you eat. Eat foods that are easy to digest. Milk and meat gives some people problems. Eggs are usu very easy to digest. Ginger tea can really help. I drink about 3-4 cups of ginger/ginseng tea when I rise. Eating a lot of veggies can help, too.


Also, work on recovery. I like to stretch out in the sun, take alternate hot/cold showers, go in the sauna (my gym has one), and go to be early. Get your lady to rub your back if you can. Try self-myofascial release. Make sure you warm up well prior to going heavy. You should feel a definite rise in body temperature. Drink a lot of water.

Just some ideas for you that won't make you fat. Don't take it as gospel. Listen to your body first and foremost.
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What is hot/cold showers...I've heard someone mention this before in regards to training. How would this apply to me?
 
i said that jerk. it worked for me when i was having a tough time with shit. dont come in with your smart ass comments aimed towards me bitch. from your post you sound pretty fucked up "human guinea pig" yeah i would take your advice. besides he wants critiques on his pics. lets stick to the topic as much as possible. anyways, you dont need to eat every 1.5 hours. eat some good healthy clean meals every 3-4 hours. 8 meals a day - no ways possible for me, i have a life and im sure you do as well. goodluck bro. just work on that body fat a bit
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easy dude, i apologize if i came off as a snob. i wasn't trying to disrespect your post; i meant to disrespect prozac. what i was trying to say (and i guess i did it rather poorly) was that most antidepressants on the market have terrible success rates. its a fact. and when i said i was a "human guinea pig", i meant it in the best possible way. :D i'm not insane, but i have used four different antidepressants within the last two years. i just had to find out what worked and what didn't (as well as find a shrink who actually knew what he was talking about). so sorry dude, my apologies. but its saturday night and i need to go out now. holler fellas!!!
 
matto18 said:


easy dude, i apologize if i came off as a snob. i wasn't trying to disrespect your post; i meant to disrespect prozac. what i was trying to say (and i guess i did it rather poorly) was that most antidepressants on the market have terrible success rates. its a fact. and when i said i was a "human guinea pig", i meant it in the best possible way. :D i'm not insane, but i have used four different antidepressants within the last two years. i just had to find out what worked and what didn't (as well as find a shrink who actually knew what he was talking about). so sorry dude, my apologies. but its saturday night and i need to go out now. holler fellas!!!
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DAMN ! i am a dickhead. i am the one who should apologize bro. your not insane, i took it the wrong way. take care bro and again im sorry for what i said. peace
 
There is absolutely no way you have been training for 6 years, and still look like that. If you have, might as well quit, not doing you much good.
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Pay no attention to the fucking panzy that Just made the above comment. You had the courage to post your picks when you knew some people were going to flame you. That speaks volumes about your character.

Keep eating unitl you puke and squat and deadlift and I promise you'll gain weight.
Karma to you for trying to improve yourself!!
 
hairlossguru said:


Pay no attention to the fucking panzy that Just made the above comment. You had the courage to post your picks when you knew some people were going to flame you. That speaks volumes about your character.

Keep eating unitl you puke and squat and deadlift and I promise you'll gain weight.
Karma to you for trying to improve yourself!!
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Thanks :)
 
You should learn as much as you can about bodybuilding. Hey maybe read flex(if you haven't) I"m serious. your prob is in diet and training. Maybe pic up some routines, nutrition. advice. pics aren't bad they could be worse, but you need a lot of improvement, which I think you'll make. YOu have a couple
overall decent features. Don't do aas, for a few years. you definetly would look decent when you lean out
good luck bro
 
Krazykat said:
I`ll ask again!

and what are your stats, thighs, calves, waist, chest, arm ?
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I posted on the 3rd page...I don't have a mesauring tape...just a walkman cord I used to measure my biceps then measured it with a ruler...I know I'm straight ghetto. :D
 
sounds to me like u are chickening out nipper, if you have measured your muscles with a string and ruler then what are the results?
 
Hot/cold showers n. pl.

Taking a warm shower, then switching the water to hot, then warm, then cold, then back to hot again.
Promotes flushing to facilitate recovery through better circulation.


You mentioned that you're depressed. Have you had you're T levels checked? If you have access to an endo, then ask your reg. phys.
 
Krazykat said:
sounds to me like u are chickening out nipper, if you have measured your muscles with a string and ruler then what are the results?
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Biceps are a measily 16". :( That's all that I have measured...
 
bignipper

keep up the good work! You may not be an IFBB pro, BUT you can sleep tight at night knowing you are more fit than 98% of Americans.
 
BodyByFinaplix said:


Most guys kid themselves into thinking they train their legs hard. They underestemate their strength, so use weights that are far too light.
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I can say I was a victim of that in the beginning....

Then I started training with a guy who was squating 4 plates a side for 5-6 reps....

He basically forced my legs to get bigger.... and I am greatful for it.
 
Dude,

No offense but you are NO WHERE NEAR the point where you should be using AS.

1. You look too young.
2. You need to focus a WHOLE LOT MORE ON DIET AND TRAINING.
3. YOU NEED TO FOCUS A WHOLE LOT MORE ON DIET AND TRAINING.
4. SEE 2 AND 3.
 
looking pretty good bro. you can see a definate improvement in your arms comparing the first and second cycles, but it didn't seem like you grew much anywhere esle. What is your training/diet like?

And definately cut back on the sat fats and carbs, and spread out your meals throughout the day. I bet if you dropped 10-15 lbs of fat, you would look a lot bigger.
 
psychedout said:



I can say I was a victim of that in the beginning....

Then I started training with a guy who was squating 4 plates a side for 5-6 reps....

He basically forced my legs to get bigger.... and I am greatful for it.
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Its true, people underestimate what their legs are capable of. I had people call me a liar when I said I squat 505 for 5 reps when they looked at my pics. I was shocked, because I know powerlifters here who can squat more with slightly smaller and fatter thighs than mince. Again, to them I must say, "Stop underestimateing what your legs are capable of and find their limit". After all, how does one know they can't squat or leg press more until they actually get pinned on the first rep with a new weight?
 
BodyByFinaplix said:


Its true, people underestimate what their legs are capable of. I had people call me a liar when I said I squat 505 for 5 reps when they looked at my pics.
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:rolleyes:
 
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