Cycle Advice Please

[SebbyO2]

Hi Guys,

Looking to run my 3rd Cycle (first two were Test-E only and then Test-E, DBol and Equipoise) and was hoping for some feedback/advice:

Planning on the following:

Gear:

Weeks 1-3 : 50mg DBol ED
Weeks 1-3: Tudca + Liver Detox
Weeks 1-10: Galactic Mass Blend - Test P (70mg/mL), Tren A (70mg/mL) & NPP (60mg/mL) - 1mL TPW
Weeks 1-10: 250IU HCG 2 x PW
Weeks 1-10: Adex 0.5mg EOD
Weeks 13-14: 50mg Clomid ED
Weeks 14-15: 25mg Clomid ED

Diet:

Mainly interested in feedback of the gear, but planning on roughly 300g Protein, 200g Carbs, 125g Fat (3125 Cals).

Any feedback would be appreciated

 

[SteveMobsterG]

I'll leave this to the experts.

 

[stevesmi]

leave out the dbol and hcg

add in proviron daily

swap in aromasin for adex

your pct is weak and too short. run a real pct, check out the perfect pct (google it)

 

[muskate]

You are missing some important support supplements. Check out this video on tren side effects and what support supplements are needed in a test/tren cycle -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/video-trenbolone-side-effects-55056.html

Here's what I recommend

Weeks 1-3 : 50mg DBol ED
Weeks 1-3: Tudca + Liver Detox
Weeks 1-10: Galactic Mass Blend - Test P (70mg/mL), Tren A (70mg/mL) & NPP (60mg/mL) - 1mL TPW
Weeks 1-10: Aromasin 10mg EOD
Weeks 1-10: Cabergoline 0.25mg EOD
Weeks 1-10: Cardarine 20mg ED

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol -> https://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[Lev Butlerov]

Definitely remove from the cycle the HCG - it is pointless to use it, as the benefits are really doubtful, but the side effects are there to be seen. Also, you should be using cabergoline, since you will be taking both trenbolone and NPP, and both of them will cause prolactin to raise. Also, aromasin is a much better choice with trenbolone. Not only because it is a suicide AI and things like that, but also because it is so good for the lipids, and it balances out cholesterol levels that get bad with trenbolone.

 

[SebbyO2]

Thanks for the advice guys.

I'm a bit confused with your comments on HCG, what are the side effects? I've never heard of any side effects, and I blasted at the end of my last cycle after being told I should never have left it out in the first place?

Sounds like the consensus is to switch the adex to aromasin so I'll get some of that as well as caber for sure, either 0.5mg TPW or 0.25mg EOD.

Adex I never actually used before, I just kept on hand if symptoms of gyno appears (which they didn't), is aromasin the same, or I just use it regardless? Aromasin dosing at 10mg EOD sound right then yeah?

Never heard of adding the cardarine before, it's easy to get but I notice it's in the perfect PCT as well, so I should be taking 20mg ED for 17 weeks then?

Am I protecting enough with the Tudca + Liver detox? and do most people think its worthwhile taking the dbol for weeks 1-3 or is it overkill?

Macros reasonable? 300 protein, 200 carbs, 125 fat?

What are your thoughts of 1 or 2 drinks 2 x per week while on cycle? I've only ever been on basic cycles before so want to be a lot more cautious with this cycle as it's a lot more aggressive.

Thanks heaps for your input.

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

Thanks for the advice guys.

I'm a bit confused with your comments on HCG, what are the side effects? I've never heard of any side effects, and I blasted at the end of my last cycle after being told I should never have left it out in the first place?

HCG is terrible. It will only cause suppression by mimicking LH. It has no purpose in bodybuilding. You might as well just inject test. It will accomplish the same thing.

Sounds like the consensus is to switch the adex to aromasin so I'll get some of that as well as caber for sure, either 0.5mg TPW or 0.25mg EOD.

Adex I never actually used before, I just kept on hand if symptoms of gyno appears (which they didn't), is aromasin the same, or I just use it regardless? Aromasin dosing at 10mg EOD sound right then yeah?

You do not wait for gyno symptoms to appear. It is much easier to prevent gyno than to get rid of it. I would start it in the first week or 2. 10mg EOD is good for aromasin.

Never heard of adding the cardarine before, it's easy to get but I notice it's in the perfect PCT as well, so I should be taking 20mg ED for 17 weeks then?

Cardarine is not suppressive so you can use it any time. It is critical in PCT. It helps with endurance, fat loss, and keeping cortisol down.

Am I protecting enough with the Tudca + Liver detox? and do most people think its worthwhile taking the dbol for weeks 1-3 or is it overkill?

No need for dbol since you are using short esters like Tren A. I wouldn't use something harsh like dbol with tren anyways. If you use it anyways then go with N2Guard which is a complete formula. It contains TUDCA.

Macros reasonable? 300 protein, 200 carbs, 125 fat?

Completely up to you. I respond fine to 1g of protein per lb bodyweight so yours would be high for me.

What are your thoughts of 1 or 2 drinks 2 x per week while on cycle? I've only ever been on basic cycles before so want to be a lot more cautious with this cycle as it's a lot more aggressive.

Terrible idea to drink at all on cycle......especially with things like tren and dbol. Way too toxic on your organs.

Thanks heaps for your input.

In bold above......

 

[SebbyO2]

Hi Guys,

I posted a comment on Friday and still awaiting moderation, any reason for this? Does it usually take 3+ days to get moderator approval?


Cheers

 

[SebbyO2]

Thanks for the quick reply.
Also I watched that video, very informative, thanks.
Regarding the HCG, the info I’ve read up on and been given basically correlates to this post:


Andrology Journal - Human chorionic gonadotropin therapy
A known critical element in the development of healthy spermatogenesis is high intratesticular test .In men using exogenous testosterone, these levels can be greatly diminished. Intramuscular hCG therapy is an option shown to protect against, or at least to diminish, the impact that exogenous testosterone has on intratesticular test levels . In a randomized, controlled trial of 29 healthy men randomly assigned to four groups, test-e was given 200 mg per week plus either intramuscular saline, 125, 250, or 500 IU hCG every other day. Sperm, intratesticular testosterone levels, and gonadotropins were measured at day 0 and day 21. Intratesticular testosterone levels were suppressed by 94% in the placebo group, 25% in the 125 IU hCG treatment group, and 7% in the 250 IU hCG treatment group, and they were increased 26% from baseline in the 500 IU hCG treatment group.Thus, even with supraphysiologic doses of testosterone replacement, healthy levels of intratesticular testosterone were maintained by low-dose hCG therapy
The thinking boiled down to preventing testicular atrophy in the first place on cycle so that that component didn’t need to be factored into PCT, I can’t say the science behind it makes much sense to me though, so I’m guessing this is old hat now?
The perfect PCT link you shared doesn’t have HCG either so consensus here seems to be not ever using it, is that correct?
With Cardarine, this is just mixed with Cranberry Juice and taken orally yeah? Same with Ostarine in the PCT?
Should they be in the fridge or is room temperature okay?
Okay so if I take all the advice on board it’s starting to look like:

Weeks 1-10:
Galactic Mass Blend - 1mL TPW
Aromasin 10mg EOD (Am I okay to take Adex 0.5mG EOD for week 1 until Aromasin arrives)?
Cabergoline 0.25mg EOD
Cardarine 20mg ED
Tudca, Liver Detox, Gear Support



And probably ditch the dbol and HCG
Macros maybe 250 Protein, 200 Carbs, 125 Fat (approx 3000 cals), zero alcohol
And then following the perfect PCT for weeks 1~17, then taking a 17 week break before next cycle which will be a cut and obviously bloods before, during and after cycle.

 

[SebbyO2]

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