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Critique my first test E cycle, you sexy studs

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HXT

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age: 24
height: 6, 0"
weight:190

time training: 12 years


Ive used mild prohormones in the past (Hdrol), which I think are extremely overrated placebos. I had bloodwork done before, during and after that cycle and essentially nothing had changed.

finally decided to start an AAS cycle.

btw I hate needles

anyway heres what im planning

Test E week 1-10 250 mg/2x week (tues & Fri)
HCG week 1-10 250 IU/2x week same days as test with insulin syringe
Arimidex week 1-12: 0.25mg EOD maybe bump to 0.50mg if I see any sides of gyno/itchy nipples occur
Week 12-15 start PCT
Clomid: 50/50/50/25
Nolvadex: 30/20/20/20
 
Don't like it at all. U don't use hcg on cycle. U use it last two weeks of cycle and into pct. also you don't run test e 10 weeks. Min 12-15.


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Test E reaches peak levels in 24-48 hours after injection. The super-physiological effects will probably be noticed after 3-4 weeks though.

Running it 10 weeks is not a problem man.
 
I would go minimum 12 wk also. I mean your shutting Down anyway. 2 weeks won't kill you to try to bounce back. You'll benefit from those 2 extra weeks.


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Zinergy said:
Test E reaches peak levels in 24-48 hours after injection. The super-physiological effects will probably be noticed after 3-4 weeks though.

Running it 10 weeks is not a problem man.
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Where did you come up with that it takes weeks for saturation not hours.


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I would like to see you lower your dose to around 350-400 as it's your first cycle you will still see amazing results and you will have some where to go on your next cycle instead of going to 500 straight a way, 10 weeks 12 weeks why don't you see how you go if everything is good you could always expand it to 12 week but if you test is good you should see results on the 3-4 week mark. Good luck you've done your homework all there's left to say is enjoy your first cycle and I hope you got a girlfriend because your going to need her lol
 
The dosage is fine. Altho yes he could go a little lower but 500 is fine but not for that duration of time


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ILIFT2LIVE said:
Where did you come up with that it takes weeks for saturation not hours.


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HXT said:
so what do you recommend for the perfect first test E cycle?
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I think you are fine. The dosage is fine. If it was me I'd go 14 weeks on test e. And keep the hcg for the last two weeks of the cycle and one week into the pct. the rest looked fine. If you don't want to go that long then at least go 12. Test e is really kicking at 4-6 weeks so at least go 12


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What ever you choose you will have good results and you will feel fantastic make sure you have a woman on hand if you know what I mean. But I stand by what I said lower the dose a bit because once you get to 700mg of test your really there's nowhere to go with it after unless you take stupid doses that will cause you all sorts of problems. Good luck
 
ILIFT2LIVE said:
Yes it's in the blood stream obviously after that long but total receptor saturation and blood saturation take weeks. At least 4 before changes even begin to happen. To each their own.


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receptor saturation? get out of here with that bro science bullshit.
 
ILIFT2LIVE said:
Don't like it at all. U don't use hcg on cycle. U use it last two weeks of cycle and into pct. also you don't run test e 10 weeks. Min 12-15.


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You know shit about cycling brah and should never give steroid advice to any human being ever.
 
Strongbow said:
You know shit about cycling brah and should never give steroid advice to any human being ever.
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Actually I know a lot and ur dead wrong w your advice. Forums are filled with bro science. It's sickening. I've never run hcg on cycle never had my balls atrophe and never had an issue with them working again. You all are ridiculously wrong. Also you never run test e 10 weeks. It takes min 5-6 to even saturate the blood and receptors to where you see serious results. This is a fact. You can listen to all these guys op. But I'm the only one with your best interests at heart.


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HXT said:
any advice for me?
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Yes your cycle looks good and it looks like you have done some,of your own thinking.HCG on cycle is a great idea that tends to work,well and you wont have to super dose it post cycle to get levels back up. Im no longer a huge test fan i simply use it to maintain sexual function when i cycle but i use to slam the shit out of it as much as 3 grams a week, completely useless and a waste of money. Idk your cycle history but i never go more than 300 to 400 mgs these days. Be careful with AIs and remember you need estrogen to build,muscle and maintain,fullness youll know where that line is when you get there. Letro can,reel,it back in in just a few days if need be so no worries and good luck.
 
ILIFT2LIVE said:
Actually I know a lot and ur dead wrong w your advice. Forums are filled with bro science. It's sickening. I've never run hcg on cycle never had my balls atrophe and never had an issue with them working again. You all are ridiculously wrong. Also you never run test e 10 weeks. It takes min 5-6 to even saturate the blood and receptors to where you see serious results. This is a fact. You can listen to all these guys op. But I'm the only one with your best interests at heart.


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You don't know what you're talking about.

I even posted a blood serum graph for you, now show me something that confirms "receptor saturation"

As soon as the hormone is in your blood and the ester is broken off it's active, and any blood with active hormone that interacts with your receptors have an immediate effect on the receptor.


Receptor saturation is bullshit, I bet you didn't know that receptors actually up-regulate with higher dosages.
 
Keep the AI on hand man, that's what I do. I've run up to 1.5 grams of test/week with Dbol and had no Gyno sides and didn't use any AI.

You'll have itchy/burning nipples long before you get any gyno, and check your nipples before the cycle to make sure there aren't any bumps and check it every week or so to make sure nothing develops. You should be good to go.


Gyno is strange and can spring up any time, it's always good to have every ancillary you need on hand. AI, and SERM.




Your HCG usage is good, using it throughout the cycle is what I would do.
 
Lol did u even look at ur graph idiot. It says after an Injection of 194mg of test e. After 1 day the ng/ml is 50. That's not even 25% of the potency.


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It kinda cracks me up when people try to act knowledgable and use graphs when they don't even know what they mean.


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HXT said:
I might just keep the AI on hand in cast I start getting symptoms of gyro. Ive heard too many horror stories of Letro or Arimidex absolutely murdering libido
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Letro will ruin a cycle if not used properly but can quickly stop gyno in ots tracks but it totally kills estro so ibwould not use it ifbi did not feel comfortable. Cycle looks good brother stay the course dont be confused.
 
Zinergy said:
You're an idiot.
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Damn bro thats kinda harsh. You obviously read more than you experiment. And i been doing this a long time im older,wiser, bigger and stronger than the over whelming majority but I would not call the bro an idiot because he disagreed with me. Grow up kid
 
Strongbow said:
Damn bro thats kinda harsh. You obviously read more than you experiment. And i been doing this a long time im older,wiser, bigger and stronger than the over whelming majority but I would not call the bro an idiot because he disagreed with me. Grow up kid
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Zinergey i totally mrant that post for lift2live bro not you. I thought he called you an idiot and ibtotally agree with you on this. Forgive me im old .,
 
spursmad said:
Finally some debating happening, this is what a forum should be keep going lad nothing wrong with healthy argument
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This would be my question for lift2live, who can obviously read and spell, but has zero experience from the way he sounds. Benefits of HCG on cycle. Keep natural levels from being suppressed while adding exogenous hormone. Do you not think less suppression equals faster recovery? And then there is this whole ester thing that he doesn't seem to understand. Then he smarts off at me and others but I am the dick. Guy sounds like another little douche bag that use to be here and couldn't get along or debate with others that disagreed with him. This young brother's cycle is a good clean run. The only gains made on prolonged cycles are to keep either adding or switching the compounds or increasing the doseages. But what do i know I only bench press this lil turds squat max for reps. Boy is gonna waste a lot of gear and get very little gains from being hard headed. But hey I use to be dumb too.
 
Strongbow said:
This would be my question for lift2live, who can obviously read and spell, but has zero experience from the way he sounds. Benefits of HCG on cycle. Keep natural levels from being suppressed while adding exogenous hormone. Do you not think less suppression equals faster recovery? And then there is this whole ester thing that he doesn't seem to understand. Then he smarts off at me and others but I am the dick. Guy sounds like another little douche bag that use to be here and couldn't get along or debate with others that disagreed with him. This young brother's cycle is a good clean run. The only gains made on prolonged cycles are to keep either adding or switching the compounds or increasing the doseages. But what do i know I only bench press this lil turds squat max for reps. Boy is gonna waste a lot of gear and get very little gains from being hard headed. But hey I use to be dumb too.
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Hcg does not prevent natural suppression the moment you inject testosterone your natural production is shut down. Hcg is only good for keeping your balls plump. Which even then in most cases there is no atrophe depending on the person so there is no benefit to hcg ON cycle. I do agree you use it for the last week of injections and into pct to aid in the restart.


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Have you actually used HCG an entire cycle and compared how recovery was compared to any other protocol you've used, if you've even ever used HCG. Because if you did you wouldn't be making this argument.

HCG acts as LH and FSH from your pituitary so it will keep your testes active and producing the entire time, however your pituitary will still be suppressed during this time.

The whole point of HCG is to reduce the time it takes for your testes to get working again, so if you take it from day 1 they never stop working.
 
ILIFT2LIVE said:
Hcg does not prevent natural suppression the moment you inject testosterone your natural production is shut down. Hcg is only good for keeping your balls plump. Which even then in most cases there is no atrophe depending on the person so there is no benefit to hcg ON cycle. I do agree you use it for the last week of injections and into pct to aid in the restart.


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Ok so now if you can talk without the bullshit let me ask you another question. Have you ever done blood work of levels on just test, on test with 250iu twice a week, and HCG as a stand alone at 250 iu twice a week. Look at some research bro from some of the leading anti- aging clinics in the country, HCG is being used in more ways than ever. Or do your own research abd by that I mean use you as your experiment and then speak from experience. If you have done the research on yourself then you are very much different from most in the way HCG works on you. Is my spelling better now that I switched to a PC? This is a steroid board so I font care enough to worry abut spelling, capitalization or punctuation bro if thats all you can come up with get a life hommie.
 
Zinergy said:
Have you actually used HCG an entire cycle and compared how recovery was compared to any other protocol you've used, if you've even ever used HCG. Because if you did you wouldn't be making this argument.

HCG acts as LH and FSH from your pituitary so it will keep your testes active and producing the entire time, however your pituitary will still be suppressed during this time.

The whole point of HCG is to reduce the time it takes for your testes to get working again, so if you take it from day 1 they never stop working.
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You are much more well spoken than I am and your spelling is amazing. Good post bro
 
Strongbow said:
Ok so now if you can talk without the bullshit let me ask you another question. Have you ever done blood work of levels on just test, on test with 250iu twice a week, and HCG as a stand alone at 250 iu twice a week. Look at some research bro from some of the leading anti- aging clinics in the country, HCG is being used in more ways than ever. Or do your own research abd by that I mean use you as your experiment and then speak from experience. If you have done the research on yourself then you are very much different from most in the way HCG works on you. Is my spelling better now that I switched to a PC? This is a steroid board so I font care enough to worry abut spelling, capitalization or punctuation bro if thats all you can come up with get a life hommie.
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I've done both and my bloods were the same as far as lh and fish. Still more typos. :). It's fine if you prefer it so be it. I just know experience there's no diff


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And another thing. I hate when people say oh I'm bigger then 90% of the guys. Size does not translate to knowledge. Not everyone has the same goals as u. I'm 6'2" and 240# and. Hover around 7-9% bf. I don't consider myself small. So if ur bigger that's awesome. Doesn't mean I don't have knowledge


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I've been on many other forums and guys say no hcg. Basically op. From site to site you will always get conflicting opinions and everyone thinks their way is the best me included. The only way to know is try everything and find your own sweet spot and what products work for you and how u use them


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ILIFT2LIVE said:
I'm 6'2" and 240# and. Hover around 7-9% bf.
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Jesus, you're pretty much contest ready at those stats, you should step on stage for the olympia. :FRlol:



You're still new here, and you have two members that have been here for years telling you that you're wrong, so keep arguing.


Post the bloods or BS.
 
Zinergy said:
Jesus, you're pretty much contest ready at those stats, you should step on stage for the olympia. :FRlol:



You're still new here, and you have two members that have been here for years telling you that you're wrong, so keep arguing.


Post the bloods or BS.
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I've done a few amateur shows yes. So what of it? So because I live a strict life now u wanna cap on that. U might be a veteran member. But you are immature and need to grow up. I'm 43 yrs old a little old to be trying to be pro dude. And I do it for myself not stature. I'm just tires of the dick measuring contests. It's annoying. And I'll be pulling bloods in 2 weeks and I'll be glad to post it.


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That also shows how little u know. Contest ready is more like 4-5%. Not 7-9. Gimme a break. Go learn something.


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ILIFT2LIVE said:
I've done both and my bloods were the same as far as lh and fish. Still more typos. :). It's fine if you prefer it so be it. I just know experience there's no diff


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Ok bro beans I am going to give you 2 things
1) My spelling sucks
2) We are all diffrent
My experience has been diffrent with HCG. I also get hard with dbol no water retention so that is not the norm either. Wurd
 
Strongbow said:
Ok bro beans I am going to give you 2 things
1) My spelling sucks
2) We are all diffrent
My experience has been diffrent with HCG. I also get hard with dbol no water retention so that is not the norm either. Wurd
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Now see there ya go. I am opposite I use evil and I puff up like a dough boy. So I never use it. I use Adrol or halo. Which I love halo. Never any issues and I was doing like 30mg a day. Well except a very short volcanic temper


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