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I have a few suggestions.
1. Npp is a nandrolone so you need to add an anti prolactin drug to keep prolactin in the low-normal range. This is important to prevent side effects like gyno and water retention. Cabergoline at 0.25mg EOD is a good dosage.
2. I personally would use N2guard over Liv-52. N2guard is a way superior liver aid. Do some research on TUDCA -> http://www.evolutionary.org/tudca
TUDCA is by far the best liver aid supplement on the market today. Most supplement companies don't include it in their liver aid supplements because it is so expensive. N2guard is (in my opinion) the best liver aid supplement on the market because it contains a full dosage of TUDCA per serving.
Get your friends to read the article on TUDCA I linked up above and I am sure they will start to reconsider their old school Liv-52 supplement.
3. The 2 SERM PCT is very old school and not optimal at all. Your clomid dosage is absolutely excessive as well. Your PCT needs a complete overhaul. After your cycle I recommend running the perfect PCT protocol -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
1. Npp is a nandrolone so you need to add an anti prolactin drug to keep prolactin in the low-normal range. This is important to prevent side effects like gyno and water retention. Cabergoline at 0.25mg EOD is a good dosage.
2. I personally would use N2guard over Liv-52. N2guard is a way superior liver aid. Do some research on TUDCA -> http://www.evolutionary.org/tudca
TUDCA is by far the best liver aid supplement on the market today. Most supplement companies don't include it in their liver aid supplements because it is so expensive. N2guard is (in my opinion) the best liver aid supplement on the market because it contains a full dosage of TUDCA per serving.
Get your friends to read the article on TUDCA I linked up above and I am sure they will start to reconsider their old school Liv-52 supplement.
3. The 2 SERM PCT is very old school and not optimal at all. Your clomid dosage is absolutely excessive as well. Your PCT needs a complete overhaul. After your cycle I recommend running the perfect PCT protocol -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
Overall I like the cycle. Just a few tweaks. I am assuming you have a limited quantity of NPP which is why you are starting it at week 4. I would start it week 1 if that is not the case. The PCT is the main part that needs work though.
i prefer npp because i cant run the cycle longer more than 12 weeeks so i think running deca like 10 weeks would be a waste. Then yes i can do only 8 week of npp at 400 so i was thinking when dbol is last week and test is about to kick boom i start npp too. Does this make sense? or not?
the synergy you will get stacking NPP and test together makes it in your favor to start them together. that is a mild anabolic with an androgen. DHN with a DHT. etc. that is why we stack steroids. so IMO starting them from day 1 TOGETHER is better.
but if you want to do it your way that is fine, if that floats your boat. essentially all things being equal by week 6 you will have greater results had you started them week 1 together.
But Test cyp will kick around week 4-5 so npp will work mostly alone, is not better start npp when test is about to kick in ? or am i wrong?
sounds like you are trying to re-invent the wheel here
even long esters start working immediately, they just take a longer time to reach peak levels
it is total bro science that you should stack a short ester with another short ester. still the same steroids with different half lives, thats all.. really guys who parrot that are just trying to look smart
You can kickstart test with test propionate then
Any steroid starts working the second you inject it, long estered steroids just take a little bit longer to reach peak blood hormone values.
Both the test cyp and NPP are working the second after you inject them.
I think some of this confusion comes from the way guys say that long esters "kick in" at a certain time. Instead of "kick in" they should use the phrase "reach peak hormone levels".
peak levels vs. start working
decanate is a long ester so as you inject over time each injection causes a bump in what is in your body vs. what is estering out.
think about it like a house with a bunch of rats and there being a small hole for the rats to get out. fire breaks out in the house and the rats start leaving. they don't leave all at once, they leave a little at a time.. that is how steroid esters work when they are leaving your system. it is hard for people to understand cause they are used to using aspirin which is in and out of the body within hours.
Anyone who told you that doesnt understand what the half life of drugs really mean.
You can run EQ and deca for 8 weeks. However, because of their long half lives, that 8 weeks is more like 12 weeks because the steroid esters build up in your body and take about a month to clear out of your system.
Even if you stop your cycle at 8 weeks, you aren't really 'off' because the hormones are still active in your body another 4 weeks.
You will get the most out of your compound when it reaches peak levels. You can run long esters for short times but you will not have as much build up in your system yet for maximum results.
While liv52 is indeed beneficial for your liver, I would not dare to say that it is a good enough liver supporting supplement for a steroid cycle. N2Guard would be a much better choice, since it has 5 times as many ingredients in higher concentrations, and it also has TUDCA, so it would do a much better job of keeping your liver healthy.
Also, just like all nandrolones, NPP will raise prolactin levels, so you need to keep it under control with the use of cabergoline, taken at 0.25 mgs EOD from the first day of NPP use.
Finally, your PCT needs major improvements. After all, the better your PCT, the more gains you will be able to keep, and the smoother will be the recovery. Personally, for such a serious cycle I would recommend you to run the perfect PCT protocol as described here - http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
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