CRANK: Made in America

[HANSEL]

Did anyone else watch this HBO Special? Brutal.

Watching that Mother do speed with her son was disturbing.

And the stat at the end was staggering....Of the like 10million Meth addicts in US, 6% of them have been able to recover from the addiction...6%!

It also includued some history of the drug at the beginning. Hitler and the Nazi's were known to use amphetamines as were the Japanese.

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

Did anyone else watch this HBO Special? Brutal.

Watching that Mother do speed with her son was disturbing.

And the stat at the end was staggering....Of the like 10million Meth addicts in US, 6% of them have been able to recover from the addiction...6%!

It also includued some history of the drug at the beginning. Hitler and the Nazi's were known to use amphetamines as were the Japanese.

I think the producers of the movie estimated that 10 million people have tried meth, not that 10 million people are addicted.

 

[casavant]

They must have pulled those stats straight from a NIDA publication or something.

 

[distanced]

yeah, It was quite disturbing.

the part where the child was born and the father said that this was the reason why he was gonna get off for life, then 36 hours later him and the wife who had just given birth, both shot up

quite sad

 

[ajtomasi]

It also includued some history of the drug at the beginning. Hitler and the Nazi's were known to use amphetamines as were the Japanese.

Fucking Nazis

 

[HANSEL]

Well I guess I read that stat wrong, but I am certain that they did say only 6% of addicts have been able to recover.

Distanced, did you see that part where they showed Pics of that chicks face throughout a ten year span of abuse. She looked dead after the first year or two.

That is easily the worst drug out there next to ephedrine.

 

[distanced]

no kidding, she looked like she had THE MUMMY suck her life out after she opened the book of death

 

[Frackal]

That is easily the worst drug out there next to ephedrine.

You're joking, right?

 

[HANSEL]

You're joking, right?

Lol, yea bro.

 

[Ffactor]

Did ya see the people with the sores?

 

[casavant]

Did ya see the people with the sores?

Not on the HBO special, but I've worked in a strip club...if that answers your question.

 

[collegiateLifter]

Not sure if I'd trust the statistics but meth is some serriously fucked up shit. More or less in a league of its own.

 

[HANSEL]

Did ya see the people with the sores?

I knew people in HS with sores all over there arms like that. Sick. I also say a guy scratch all the skin off beneath his goatee.

 

[rjl296]

i watched a video produced by the Van piolice. this one chick almost tore her arm right off, in 2 different spots

 

[JohnyJuice]

i watched a video produced by the Van piolice. this one chick almost tore her arm right off, in 2 different spots

Oh my God. How the hell did she do that? and why.

 

[ariolanine]

How do these people not die of heart attacks?

 

[ajtomasi]

i watched a video produced by the Van piolice. this one chick almost tore her arm right off, in 2 different spots

while she was on crank?

 

[HANSEL]

i watched a video produced by the Van piolice. this one chick almost tore her arm right off, in 2 different spots

I saw that! that was sick, she had to keep it clean and keep wrapping gauze around it. It was so brutal it just couldnt heal up.

 

[the nature boy]

HBO puts out some hardcore documentaries.

 

[plornive]

1/2 pure propagangda, 1/2 misrepresented facts

 

[casavant]

1/2 pure propagangda, 1/2 misrepresented facts

Very true. I know a lot of people who have played around with meth (crank is meth, btw, for all you people who don't know. The stuff usually won't do jack shit to you except for give you a killer buzz and keep you up for a looooong time.

Did y'all know that you can get a prescription for meth? Yes, that right. You can get a scrip for meth. It's been marketed under the brand name "Desoxyn" for a long time.


DESOXYN 5MG TABLET 100 EA $127.99


Drug Information For: DESOXYN 5MG CR TABLETS
Generic Name: METHAMPHETAMINE(meth-am-FET-a-mine)

Drug Manufacturer: ABBOTT

Common Uses: This medicine is a stimulant used to treat attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). This medicine may also be used to treat other conditions as determined by your doctor.

How to use this Medicine: Follow the directions for using this medicine provided by your doctor. SWALLOW WHOLE. Do not break, crush, or chew before swallowing. TAKE THIS MEDICINE 10 to 14 hours before bedtime unless your doctor tells you differently. STORE THIS MEDICINE at room temperature in a tightly-closed container, away from heat and light. IF YOU MISS A DOSE OF THIS MEDICINE, take it as soon as possible. If it is almost time for your next dose, skip the missed dose and go back to your regular dosing schedule. Do not take 2 doses at once.

Cautions: DO NOT EXCEED THE RECOMMENDED DOSE or take this medicine for longer than prescribed without checking with your doctor. Exceeding the recommended dose or taking this medicine for longer than prescribed may cause serious side effects. Check the labels on all your medicines (e.g., cough-and-cold products, diet aids) because they may contain ingredients that could increase your heart rate or blood pressure. Ask your pharmacist about the safe use of these products. Avoid drinking large amounts of beverages containing caffeine (e.g., coffee, tea, colas). Caffeine can increase the side effects of this medicine. KEEP ALL DOCTOR AND LABORATORY APPOINTMENTS while you are using this medicine. BEFORE YOU BEGIN TAKING ANY NEW MEDICINE, either prescription or over-the-counter, check with your doctor or pharmacist. DO NOT DRIVE, OPERATE MACHINERY, or do anything else that could be dangerous until you know how you react to this medicine. BEFORE YOU HAVE ANY MEDICAL OR DENTAL TREATMENTS, EMERGENCY CARE, OR SURGERY, tell the doctor or dentist that you are using this medicine. Certain laboratory test results (e.g., corticosteroid levels) may be affected by this medicine. FOR WOMEN: IF YOU PLAN ON BECOMING PREGNANT, discuss with your doctor the benefits and risks of using this medicine during pregnancy. THIS MEDICINE IS EXCRETED IN BREAST MILK. DO NOT BREAST-FEED while taking this medicine.

Possible Side Effects: SIDE EFFECTS, that may go away during treatment, include dry mouth, unpleasant taste, upset stomach, nausea, diarrhea, loss of appetite, weight loss, constipation, nervousness, restlessness, dizziness, or difficulty sleeping. If they continue or are bothersome, check with your doctor. CHECK WITH YOUR DOCTOR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE if you experience vomiting, stomach pain, fever, unusual weakness or tiredness, severe headaches, or change in sexual ability or desire. CONTACT YOUR DOCTOR IMMEDIATELY if you experience unusually fast heartbeat, mental/mood changes, blurred vision, uncontrolled muscle movements (e.g., tics, tremors), or chest pain. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor, nurse, or pharmacist.

http://www.walgreens.com/library/fi...nddrug/infosearchresults.jhtml.27_A&_DAV=1450

 

[Norman Bates]

DESOXYN 5MG TABLET 100 EA $127.99


Drug Information For: DESOXYN 5MG CR TABLETS
Generic Name: METHAMPHETAMINE(meth-am-FET-a-mine)

Drug Manufacturer: ABBOTT

Isn´t that more expensive then on the black market ?

 

[HANSEL]

I totally disagree casavant, I have seen this problem first hand. You are wrong.

 

[plornive]

I totally disagree casavant, I have seen this problem first hand. You are wrong.

Your are misrepresenting your first-hand knowledge (i.e. your experience is just one person's experience). Also, if you haven't already, consider causal relationships other than "meth causes pain." People can hurt themselves with many substances, including alcohol. Why are these people hurting themselves?

Furthermore, why does the government support such a simple-minded view?

Propaganda like this seems to purport simple causal relationships, and uses peoples emotions to win them over by showing gruesome images. This is what takes responsibility and individuality from people.

This is all part of the "war on drugs."

 

[plornive]

By the way, I can see that you were disagreeing with casavant about using meth not causing any problems. I guess I wasn't contesting that in my last post. I was just contesting the main purpose of this documentary.

 

[HANSEL]

Your are misrepresenting your first-hand knowledge (i.e. your experience is just one person's experience). Also, if you haven't already, consider causal relationships other than "meth causes pain." People can hurt themselves with many substances, including alcohol. Why are these people hurting themselves?

Furthermore, why does the government support such a simple-minded view?

Propaganda like this seems to purport simple causal relationships, and uses peoples emotions to win them over by showing gruesome images. This is what takes responsibility and individuality from people.

This is all part of the "war on drugs."

I saw this problem effect a good number of close friends and had a really good look at this. I had friends parents come to my door in tears just wanting to know where their kids are! I havent seen this with any other drug in my expirience. People were looking like skeletons after making this shit a habit, eyes sunken and watery looking, sores, etc.

Your right, people can hurt themselves in a number of ways but Meth is more immediatly destructive from what I have seen. People abuse alcohol for 20-30 years before major health problems show up sometimes, meth ravages people far quicker.

I saw the same images and the same things occured to me just by noticing these things first hand without any sort of propaganda.


"SImpleMinded view" !! How can someone with an open mind possibly think of this drug as a good thing? or not so bad? you just cant.

 

[the nature boy]

no doubt. I'm all for drug legalization but you can't sit here and look me in the eye saying there are any beneficial qualities of meth. I'd laugh in your face.

 

[rushx79]

meth is a big problem where i live. around 1 in every 3 males arrested, test positive for meth.

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

Did anyone else watch this HBO Special? Brutal.

Watching that Mother do speed with her son was disturbing.

And the stat at the end was staggering....Of the like 10million Meth addicts in US, 6% of them have been able to recover from the addiction...6%!

It also includued some history of the drug at the beginning. Hitler and the Nazi's were known to use amphetamines as were the Japanese.

Wedgies: Made in Finland!

 

[the nature boy]

meth sounds like the white mans crack.

 

[Toozee]

I new people who could do a bump one night just cause it was around and I new people that a dealer wouldn't even sell it too because they were just too fucked up.
It's a serious drug....and like any serious drug you should know what you're dealing with.

If it seems like you HAVE to have more......you need to quit and not do it again.

But......I'll admit.....I wouldn't do it now. I like eating too much.
And honestly.....you are better off not doing it.

 

[CN1]

if some of you only knew or had seen some of the dirtbags that do this shit, and cook it up, I have a friend who has been in prison twice all because of crystal meth, and he is an addicted IV user of meth, the guy use to bench 425 lbs and weigh 240 with killer calves and huge arms, now he weighs 170, and is a dried up crank addict....................if any of you live in the south and midwest you realize that your areas are over-ran with sorry ass nasty ass meth users. Some crank out here in california is processed by cooking the shit up with human urine, that should tell you right there how nasty that shit is..........alot of these people you see on jerry springer and those shows, all are addicted to meth, that shit turns you into the dirtiest, nastiest, douche bag that you could ever imagine, and the shit people do to get it.........my buddy I discussed earlier, he would go into a married couples house, cook up crank for the husband and wife, and his payment would be that he got to stay at the house and fuck the wife!!!!!!!!!! Crank users are lower than scum!!!!!!!

 

[plornive]

I guess I am special. It never hurt me. I have enjoyed it and it has helped me to concentrate and get work done in the past. I say it depends on who uses it.

 

[HANSEL]

totally plornive, I think everyone responds differently to substances, for some its managable, but it seems for a large number of people, they try it and realize they have found their poisen and just like it too much to stop. Lucky for me, pot was the only thing I really liked. I have since given it up but still hold it in the highest regards, as I do you bro.

 

[collegiateLifter]

Meth can lead to schizophrenia as a side effect, a much stronger link not "aggravate" like with weed. Also most people that i've known to take meth, or post on erowid, etc are up for days at a time, which causes hallicinations on its own. Hell for what its worth, I remember reading on some drug board, about how oh its not so bad etct etc. Then a few threads down people recalled their most crazy times. One guy was talkin about how he pulled a shotgun when he heard someone coming into his apartment, almost blasted his friend because he was so paranoid (i think this was after 4 days of no sleep). Then he just laughed about it; one of the same guys that thought the drug was rather benign. Overall its a drug for junkies.

 

[casavant]

Use meth a few times and you'll be fine. Abuse the shit out of it, and you'll suffer the consequences. I'm not saying the stuff is harmless, just that trying it does not guarantee addiction and the majority of people who try crank or any other hard drug DO NOT become addicted, nor do they become regular users.

I'd put back some Captain Morgan's when I posted up my previous comment, so I didn't go out of the way to explain myself so precisely like I usually try to do.

So is a meth habit bad? Without a doubt.

Is using meth a few times a one-way ticket to addiction, a disgusting body, and an early death? No.

And just for the record, I don't have a meth habit, nor do I ever crave the shit, nor is it ever a part of my daily thought patterns. I've tried it and have not been too impressed, but even if I was it could never take the place of the way it feels to train hard and build a good body.

There we go. Hopefully I've clarified everything and folks won't assume that I have a hard drug habit like always seems to happen when one offers a dissenting opinion on a drug thread.

 

[collegiateLifter]

And just for the record, I don't have a meth habit, nor do I ever crave the shit, nor is it ever a part of my daily thought patterns. I've tried it and have not been to impressed, but even if I was, it could never take the place of the way it feels to train hard and build a good body.

There we go. Hopefully I've clarified everything and folks won't assume that I have a hard drug habit like always seems to happen when one offers a dissenting opinion on a drug thread.

You look like some kind of punk ass tweaker in your Avatar lol.

 

[casavant]

You look like some kind of punk ass tweaker in your Avatar lol.

LOL. Damn, I was hoping noone would notice!!

 

[Toozee]

I guess I am special. It never hurt me. I have enjoyed it and it has helped me to concentrate and get work done in the past. I say it depends on who uses it.

I have to agree.....I got a 3.9 in college because of that crap, lol.
Yes, I studied on it like a mofo. But, I was a Jazz studies major, so practicing an instument intensly for hours on end was kind of fun. Then....like anything intense, you need to recover the next day. So I did. Those were the good ol days, lotsa funny stories.

I do feel sorry for those other guys though, that's just sad.

 

[atlantabiolab]

no doubt. I'm all for drug legalization but you can't sit here and look me in the eye saying there are any beneficial qualities of meth. I'd laugh in your face.

The beneficial qualities of methamphetamines are the same as those of other medications of the phenylethylamine group, such as methylphenidate and amphetamine. Take a shit load of the latter two and see if the effects are not similar. Improved concentration/focus, increased alertness, improved sense of well-being...the known effects of dopaminergics.

Tell me, how does a user of black market meth determine his/her dose? A balance? Pure luck, a line drawn with a finger nail, a spoon with no known volume. Do the same with crushed Ritalin and see what effects you get.

Simply because people can abuse a drug for whatever end they desire does not mean that the drug is "evil" or "bad". It is the escapist mentality of the user that is destroying him, the drug is simply the means. If he can't get meth, he will get heroin, or crack, or alcohol, etc.

 

[casavant]

The beneficial qualities of methamphetamines are the same as those of other medications of the phenylethylamine group, such as methylphenidate and amphetamine. Take a shit load of the latter two and see if the effects are not similar. Improved concentration/focus, increased alertness, improved sense of well-being...the known effects of dopaminergics.

I agree.

I have a scrip for Adderall- The big 30 mg tabs- and to tell you the truth, it makes me feel a helluva lot happier, nicer, and more "spun" than any meth I've come in contact with. I guess that makes it harder to feel freaked out by the street shit. Still, I haven't had any for a week and a half (Adderall, not meth. ). I reduce my consumption when I'm lifting for gains. It's just a matter of realizing that a drug is not going to make you happy by itself, and not letting yourself do it constantly enough to develop any kind of dependence.

 

[HANSEL]

I still totally disagree.

This shit is clean pharmecutical grade, nowhere near as nasty as street brewed meth. Your not smoking and shooting it as they are. Average recreational dosage is much larger, making you much higher, and then crash much worse making one want it more.

 

[easy]

Not on the HBO special, but I've worked in a strip club...if that answers your question.

That's nasty..

 

[nice6pac]

people choose to be addicted to meth its their own fault point blank john stossel did an entire special on it and they had studies where they get rats addicted to drugs adn then gave them teh choice of abusing them or not and some decided not to

 

[casavant]

I still totally disagree.

This shit is clean pharmecutical grade, nowhere near as nasty as street brewed meth. Your not smoking and shooting it as they are. Average recreational dosage is much larger, making you much higher, and then crash much worse making one want it more.

I agree that pharmaceutical is much cleaner, but I thought what we're mainly talking about here is addictive potential. People don't get hooked on street meth 'cause it's dirty. They get hooked on it because it gets them geeked and tweaked. In that regard, pharmaceutically pure methamphetamine would give them a better buzz.

As for the "recreational dosage"...... try having a bottle of pure speed around. If you want to abuse it and take more than your daily prescribed dosage, nothing is stopping you. Adderall is a mixture of four different amphetamine isomers (d-amphetamine saccharate, d-amphetamine sulfate, amphetamine aspartate, & amphetamine sulfate). Also, although different methods of ingesting speed will affect the absorbtion rate, the end result is pretty much the same- take enough and you get spun like a muddafucka.

In the end, it's the same as any other drug; abuse the shit out of it, and you will reap the consequences, but use it occasionally and you'll be OK. I'm not encouraging anyone to go out and buy a gram of crank and have themselves a dandy old time- I think we all know that. But looking at both sides never hurts.

 

[atlantabiolab]

I agree that pharmaceutical is much cleaner, but I thought what we're mainly talking about here is addictive potential. People don't get hooked on street meth 'cause it's dirty. They get hooked on it because it gets them geeked and tweaked. In that regard, pharmaceutically pure methamphetamine would give them a better buzz.

As for the "recreational dosage"...... try having a bottle of pure speed around. If you want to abuse it and take more than your daily prescribed dosage, nothing is stopping you. Adderall is a mixture of four different amphetamine isomers (d-amphetamine saccharate, d-amphetamine sulfate, amphetamine aspartate, & amphetamine sulfate). Also, although different methods of ingesting speed will affect the absorbtion rate, the end result is pretty much the same- take enough and you get spun like a muddafucka.

In the end, it's the same as any other drug; abuse the shit out of it, and you will reap the consequences, but use it occasionally and you'll be OK. I'm not encouraging anyone to go out and buy a gram of crank and have themselves a dandy old time- I think we all know that. But looking at both sides never hurts.

The War on Drugs uses the same irrational concept as the anti-gun agenda: demonize the tool and not the user. The gun control crowd uses similar logic in assuming that a gun allows the user an "easier" method for their actions. "Without a gun around, a person would be less likely to harm someone" as if a knife is not an alternative. This same logic is applied to drugs, the "stronger" a drug, the "more likely" the user will become addicted. Kinda weird logic considering that there are tons of meth heads, yet not so many "addicted" X users, and X supposedly produces more "pleasant" effects.

 

[casavant]

The War on Drugs uses the same irrational concept as the anti-gun agenda: demonize the tool and not the user. The gun control crowd uses similar logic in assuming that a gun allows the user an "easier" method for their actions. "Without a gun around, a person would be less likely to harm someone" as if a knife is not an alternative. This same logic is applied to drugs, the "stronger" a drug, the "more likely" the user will become addicted. Kinda weird logic considering that there are tons of meth heads, yet not so many "addicted" X users, and X supposedly produces more "pleasant" effects.

I just finished the book, "Busted: Stone Cowboys, Narco-Lords, and Washington's War on Drugs". It's a good read.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...103-1702941-7243055?vi=glance#product-details