contradicting shit. confused to hell. how much to train?

[Elite_Fry]

hey who read my post in the diet board?

I was talking to this guy who owned a bodybuilding store (he used to compete and shit). Anyway we ended up talking for about an hour and he started talking about his routine that he use to do. 1 bodypart per day and worked out Mon-Fri and took the weekends off. When he works out for each bodypart he did about 25-30 sets for each part, 30 seconds break between each set. 6 to 10 reps.

Another thing he said which interested me was he said when yourve finished your workout, if you flex and you can feel the muscle, you HAVE NOT worked out enough. You should be like "Where the fuck is my muscle, i've just done this workout and theres no fucken muscle". Any opinions on this?

Now most people on here say do like 12-15 sets and dont workout more than 2 or 3 days in a row.

So that just contradicted what most people on here say. Any opinions on what this guy said?

Any ideas??

Thanks

 

[wonderstanding]

the only experience I have is my own, but the advice you were given works pretty good for me as far as getting pumped and such... I mix it up all the time... heavier some times, lighter others... I think the key for ME has been not stressing so much on the sets and reps (though like I said, that sounded like a pretty good plan to me!) and just chasing the burn and the pump... whatever it takes to make whatever I'm trying to hit burn? that's what I'm gonna do... sometimes I need more weight and fewer reps, others less weight and more reps...

I think different shit works for different people... you just gotta get in there and keep at it... try different weights/reps, different splits, etc. I never do the same workout or the same split for more than two weeks straight... and to be honest with you, I haven't done a particular workout the same way twice in a WHILE... I keep the shit fluid... sometimes I'm working every body part every 4-5 days, sometimes every 6-7 days

don't get TOO hung up on numbers... numbers are in your head... sure, they act as guides and are a necessary component, but we're working on your body... get fuckin' mad... take all your anger and fear and frustration and focus it on lighting a fire in your muscles!!

 

[SSAlexSS]

hey who read my post in the diet board?

I was talking to this guy who owned a bodybuilding store (he used to compete and shit). Anyway we ended up talking for about an hour and he started talking about his routine that he use to do. 1 bodypart per day and worked out Mon-Fri and took the weekends off. When he works out for each bodypart he did about 25-30 sets for each part, 30 seconds break between each set. 6 to 10 reps.

Another thing he said which interested me was he said when yourve finished your workout, if you flex and you can feel the muscle, you HAVE NOT worked out enough. You should be like "Where the fuck is my muscle, i've just done this workout and theres no fucken muscle". Any opinions on this?

Now most people on here say do like 12-15 sets and dont workout more than 2 or 3 days in a row.

So that just contradicted what most people on here say. Any opinions on what this guy said?

Any ideas??

Thanks

6 day per week routine s is great!

muscles like when they are hit 3x per week.

Long live Arnold!

 

[needsize]

Re: Re: contradicting shit. confused to hell. how much to train?

6 day per week routine s is great!

muscles like when they are hit 3x per week.

Long live Arnold!

If you're planning on following a routine even close to Arnold's, you'd better be on a boat load of juice as there is no way a natural trainer could recover from that sort of volume.

My .002 is that 25-30 sets is way too much, I rarely go above 10-12 and have found I respond best to that, it's all about the intensity that you put into each and every set, if you're going 100% then there is no way you could do that many sets.

 

[JG1]

for me low sets and heavy weight works best. Large muscle groups get 9 sets each, and smaller muscle groups get anywhere from 5-7 sets each, all sets done to failure.

I also do much better on a 3 day a week program, rather then working out everyday, or even two days in a row.

 

[Elite_Fry]

what do you think about the comment/???

when yourve finished your workout, if you flex and you can feel the muscle, you HAVE NOT worked out enough. You should be like "Where the fuck is my muscle, i've just done this workout and theres no fucken muscle".

 

[Love Bone]

After my workout, I feel wasted and get very little feel when flexing but I don't know if that is an indicator. My vascularity actually gets worse after a workout but returns the next morning. I go fewer sets 9-12 and heavy weights most of the time but switch for a few weeks every three months or so. Recently started burnout sets at the end of each muscle group, feeling very good results with that.

 

[Thaibox]

6 days a week is something pushed by badmitton heros like NYCBoy. I'm convinced that its a genetic thing bro. I make my best gains from 3 brutal days a week. I have buddies that go with only 1 day off and continue to make progress. This sucks because I'd love to lift everyday, but it just won't work for me. You just have to figure it out for yourself.

 

[Getdownonit]

Genetics play a massive role in your ability to lift and recover. Experience will tell you how much your body can handle.

As for the pumped effect and not feeling the muscle i would agree. If you have worked a muscle thoroughly it should be pumped full of blood naturally and won't feel any bigger when you flex.

 

[The Shadow]

for me low sets and heavy weight works best. Large muscle groups get 9 sets each, and smaller muscle groups get anywhere from 5-7 sets each, all sets done to failure.

I also do much better on a 3 day a week program, rather then working out everyday, or even two days in a row.

A voice of reason!!

 

[Lord_Suston]

Ask him if he does juice, and then you'll know for sure why he lifts that way.....
Seriously though some people just respond better to more workout days. I can't go more than 4 days a week, cause my body starts breaking down and not recovering. But at the end of each of my workouts the muscle groups I tained are shot to the point were i couldn't flex if i wanted too. I cn barely drive home after legs day and after chest and shoulders I can barely lift my arms to brush my teeth.

Just be intense and figure out where you body fits in the schedule.....

 

[SSAlexSS]

Re: Re: Re: contradicting shit. confused to hell. how much to train?

If you're planning on following a routine even close to Arnold's, you'd better be on a boat load of juice as there is no way a natural trainer could recover from that sort of volume.

My .002 is that 25-30 sets is way too much, I rarely go above 10-12 and have found I respond best to that, it's all about the intensity that you put into each and every set, if you're going 100% then there is no way you could do that many sets.

But you shouldnt go to failure if size and strength is your goal!!!

You should not mimic a car accident in the gym!

High results are only achivable with high loading. You need to drain you muscle.

You cant drain your muscle in one set (unless you like do 30+ reps, but who does it) BUT you fatigue yourself so much that you overtrain doing more.

Leave melodram where it belongs, on a crash site.

 

[SSAlexSS]

6 days a week is something pushed by badmitton heros like NYCBoy. I'm convinced that its a genetic thing bro. I make my best gains from 3 brutal days a week. I have buddies that go with only 1 day off and continue to make progress. This sucks because I'd love to lift everyday, but it just won't work for me. You just have to figure it out for yourself.

Weight trainign needs toi be that. LIFTING HEAVY WEIGHTS.

Not seeing how much your partner can row your bench.


VOLUME + HEAVY WEIGHT = GOOD RESULTS.

Few HIT sets = worsening of nervous system, CATABOLIC SPIKE, and unable to do more sets. Each of those contributes to overtraining. You can ALMOST eliminated overtraining from your training by having 1-2 good reps left in your tank!

 

[SSAlexSS]

Ask him if he does juice, and then you'll know for sure why he lifts that way.....
Seriously though some people just respond better to more workout days. I can't go more than 4 days a week, cause my body starts breaking down and not recovering. But at the end of each of my workouts the muscle groups I tained are shot to the point were i couldn't flex if i wanted too. I cn barely drive home after legs day and after chest and shoulders I can barely lift my arms to brush my teeth.

Just be intense and figure out where you body fits in the schedule.....

Weight training needs to be productive and not ruining. If you feel that way than you are doing too much in terms of ruining your results.

More frequent and more voluminous trainings are far ssuperior to few rip your tendonds out workouts!

 

[JG1]

Re: Re: Re: Re: contradicting shit. confused to hell. how much to train?

But you shouldnt go to failure if size and strength is your goal!!!

I don't agree with that at all. I've been training for 10 years now, since I was 15, and have always trained to failure. Low sets, heavy weights, and hitting failure every sets works. I went from 127lbs when I started working out, to 245lbs as I am today....only an inch taller then I was 10 years ago.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: contradicting shit. confused to hell. how much to train?

I don't agree with that at all. I've been training for 10 years now, since I was 15, and have always trained to failure. Low sets, heavy weights, and hitting failure every sets works. I went from 127lbs when I started working out, to 245lbs as I am today....only an inch taller then I was 10 years ago.

Well good genetics can make a bad program work.


BUT, how do you know that this program would give you more progress than that prograM???


Maybe you would have been even larger or quicker to reach the size?



Look. Years of research and tones of information are behind "dont go to failure" maxim. Its not just who is saying it.
I am not a mad Russian scientist after all.

 

[JG1]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: contradicting shit. confused to hell. how much to train?

Well good genetics can make a bad program work.


BUT, how do you know that this program would give you more progress than that prograM???


Maybe you would have been even larger or quicker to reach the size?



Look. Years of research and tones of information are behind "dont go to failure" maxim. Its not just who is saying it.
I am not a mad Russian scientist after all.

LOL, well I don't consider my program to be a bad one, and believe me I don't have great genetics.

I've always stuck to what works for me. I've experimented with higher volume, lower intensity training in the past, and didn't like it nor did I gain much from it. I have seen all to many people do a high volume medium intensity routine, and they're physique has never changed.......while my low volume high intensity has always kept me growing.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: contradicting shit. confused to hell. how much to train?

LOL, well I don't consider my program to be a bad one, and believe me I don't have great genetics.

I've always stuck to what works for me. I've experimented with higher volume, lower intensity training in the past, and didn't like it nor did I gain much from it. I have seen all to many people do a high volume medium intensity routine, and they're physique has never changed.......while my low volume high intensity has always kept me growing.

if it works for you really well better than other programs, great.

However high volume loading is still the way to go for most trainees. High volume doesnt contain errors like HIT and similiar programs do.

And hey high volume has been proven to work by 100s of bodybuilders.

There has been only like 2 world class HIT bodybuilders.
One got injured all over his body and another got big mental probelms.

Can you guess who I am talking about?

 

[aurelius]

If he was competing, he was juicing. Period. "Competing" funcitons here as a euphemism like "Monica Brant has decided to stop competing."

Keep that in mind with his advice. He may just assume that you are too or soon will be. After all, it´s the only way to get any big increase in muscle size, man or woman.

 

[SSAlexSS]

If he was competing, he was juicing. Period. "Competing" funcitons here as a euphemism like "Monica Brant has decided to stop competing."

Keep that in mind with his advice. He may just assume that you are too or soon will be. After all, it´s the only way to get any big increase in muscle size, man or woman.

Yeh steroids do allow you to gain more muscle. But naturally you CAN workout to a juiceres split. You just dont lift so heavy or lift so long or dont go to failure.

People are getting less and less serious nowadays about building big muscles and training a lot.

oh well. No wonder why 50% of people drop out in first 6 weeks. They cant commit themselves to do it!

 

[Thaibox]

Weight trainign needs toi be that. LIFTING HEAVY WEIGHTS.

Not seeing how much your partner can row your bench.


VOLUME + HEAVY WEIGHT = GOOD RESULTS.

Few HIT sets = worsening of nervous system, CATABOLIC SPIKE, and unable to do more sets. Each of those contributes to overtraining. You can ALMOST eliminated overtraining from your training by having 1-2 good reps left in your tank!

What the fuck does this have to do what what I said? And why do you feel like you have to respond to every single post(with irrelavent info nonetheless)

 

[SSAlexSS]

What the fuck does this have to do what what I said? And why do you feel like you have to respond to every single post(with irrelavent info nonetheless)

maybe I replied to wrong post , i dont know.

My mind is fucked right now, just had a workout.
I cant find out why I said what I said...


ahhh heavy deads and squats and rows and then some sauna.... yeh... I want to fall asleep now.... damn its 3:20 now....

I want to sleep and I am still at school ...damn...

 

[Elite_Fry]

he said he hadnt used juice before

 

[dude]

Everyone's body is different. My body actually responds best when I work at lower intensity but higher volume and frequency. I train each bodypart twice a week.

 

[Your_Moms_Kneepads]

hey who read my post in the diet board?

Mon-Fri and took the weekends off. When he works out for each bodypart he did about 25-30 sets for each part, 30 seconds break between each set. 6 to 10 reps.


Any ideas??

Thanks

Yes, I have an idea. He is an ASSWIPE.
Also you'll never gain training like that so ignore him and dont fall into his trap of shite.
Try low volume, compound exercises (like rack deads, reverse grip benches (for triceps) on the smith machine, dips, squats as your mainstays.
Train one day-say chest and biceps, take the next day off, do legs, take a day off, shouders/triceps, day off, back, then two days off.
Repeat cycle. Something like that.Its good as gold.

 

[Your_Moms_Kneepads]

Re: Re: Re: Re: contradicting shit. confused to hell. how much to train?

But you shouldnt go to failure if size and strength is your goal!!!

You should not mimic a car accident in the gym!

High results are only achivable with high loading. You need to drain you muscle.

You cant drain your muscle in one set (unless you like do 30+ reps, but who does it) BUT you fatigue yourself so much that you overtrain doing more.

Leave melodram where it belongs, on a crash site.

for better advice I think I will get ahold of Tony Little and Body By Jake. Your post is worthless drivel and fucking garbage.

 

[Your_Moms_Kneepads]

Everyone's body is different. My body actually responds best when I work at lower intensity but higher volume and frequency. I train each bodypart twice a week.

That doesnt make any sense. Your muscles have to be challenged to grow. Lower intensity volume work makes it easy for muscles to adapt.
I suggest reading the thread "Cycles for pennies" or "Cycles on pennies" on www.animalkits.be
authored by "Doggcrapp". He knows what the hell he talking about training wise-he's unmatched.

 

[SSAlexSS]

That doesnt make any sense. Your muscles have to be challenged to grow. Lower intensity volume work makes it easy for muscles to adapt.
I suggest reading the thread "Cycles for pennies" or "Cycles on pennies" on www.animalkits.be
authored by "Doggcrapp". He knows what the hell he talking about training wise-he's unmatched.

Higher volume is harder to adjust to for your muscles. You can do much more withe higher volume and gains can come quicker as you are chalanging your muscles more.

For muscle size you need time under tension + load. Few sets with super effort dont provide that much tension and they weaken you too much afterwards.

However maximum intenity that you can do for high volume WILL provide you with more time under tension, fatigue, muscle depletion and such.

damn I am tired responding to this.

For strength you need heavy loads and moderate amount of lifting intensity is the way to go.