competitors, do you carb load for the show with insulin???

[needsize]

if so, how would you do it with humalog?

 

[geoffgarst]

If you use insulin, please be so very careful. 10 grams of carbs per 1 i.u. - Humalog is very fast acting. Have Dextrose drink ready and Glucose tablets ready. Have a friend stay with you if possible. As far as carbo load for a show, I will bump...anybody?

 

[needsize]

Thanks bro but I've used insulin many times, I'm just wondering how to go about using it to carb load just before the show

 

[needsize]

bump

 

[dzulboy]

hmmm well this is how i did it thursaday 10 iu in at nite friday 10 iu in the morning 10 at nite sat 8 in the morning 8 after prejudging and then 8 again when the nite show starts remember 10g-15g of carbs per iu and the humolog acts instantly so shoot and eat

 

[variation]

hmm, I've used insulin.. never for this exact purpose.. but I am wondering, if you cut out carbs for a few days (perhaps 3)

then full body workout.. eat a complex carb meal, wait say 30 minutes and then inject 10iu and take in a shake with perhaps 200g of dextrose..

I would think your muscles would up-take the glucose at supraphysiological rates..

I haven't tested this though, but if you have some time to test this before competition it might be worth a try if no one else with experience can chime in here...

but anyway BUMP again incase anyone with experience can help out here..

 

[needsize]

bump

 

[rsd01]

I'm not so sure using insulin for carb loading is such a great idea. You need to take in a lot of carbs with insulin and sugary carbs at that. Sugary carbs can make you spill over. Pros may do it but I'm sure they've narrowed it down to an exact science. I would introduce the carbs as normal without insulin. If your body is depleted as it should be pre-contest you will absorb the carbs really well any way. Is this your first show?

 

[dzulboy]

you won't spill over till a day after

 

[geoffgarst]

Needsize...I did not mean to step on your toes about insulin. I just don't want to see first time users expirementing with it, but since you have used it a lot, then I am sure you are quite knowledgable on it. How often do you use it and for how long have you been using it? I was just wondering since I have never used it and I have been told many that do use it go on to stop secreting their normal insulin and become a diabetic from using it.

 

[geoffgarst]

Has anyone on here ever developed a dependency for insulin by using insulin? Just wondering.

Needsize, when is your next contest? What weight will you be at?

 

[needsize]

I have used it 10iu pre workout and 20iu post for a 6 week stretch, no problems but no growth either.

geoffgarst, contest is in 3 weeks.

My trainer tell me that the latest i can train is the wed before the show, so the full body pumping thing followed by insulin was one of the approaches I was thinking of. It also works out that its the fist day of my carb loading

rsd01, as for needing lots of carbs, thats not really true. I've gone as high as 20iu of humalog, with only 35grams of dextrose

 

[rsd01]

I'm no expert but 20 iu with only 35 grams of carbs sounds kind of dangerous to me. I've done insulin also but always with over 100 grams of carbs. I still stand by what I said before about not needing the insulin though. People who have done shows in the past and who have gotten to really low bodyfat levels understand how quickly the body absorbs carbs once they are reintroduced into the body. If you've been dieting seriously for a good twelve weeks, and by your pics it looks like you have, then your body is a veritable carb sucking machine at this point. This is why I don't think insulin is necessary. Often for weeks after a show I would get the most insane pumps of my life. Also keep in mind that a lot of pros never believed in carb depleting and carb loading per se. They just simply switched over to eating more carbs and less protein before the show and ate more and more until they felt like they had filled out enough. Diuretics took care of the water retention. As far as not training after wednesday, I know that's standard, but Vince Taylor used to train balls to the walls right up to the day of the show. He said he never changed anything the week before the show except his salt intake. But he also sodium loaded throughout his entire precontest prep. I apologize if this does nothing more than confuse. Just trying to provide some food for thought.

 

[needsize]

35grams of carbs for 20iu does seem low, but I slowly worked my way down to see what my tolerance was. You have to remember, if a diabetic is going into shock, they take a glucose tab which has around 5-10 carbs in it, and that fixes them up. We tend to err way on the side of caution

 

[BigAndy69]

35grams of carbs for 20iu does seem low, but I slowly worked my way down to see what my tolerance was. You have to remember, if a diabetic is going into shock, they take a glucose tab which has around 5-10 carbs in it, and that fixes them up. We tend to err way on the side of caution

That's got to be the single worst advice I've ever read on the board. Just because you tried it and survived, it doesn't make it right or SAFE! Very dangerous to follow suit. You should know better than that.

 

[Quadsweep]

I use Humilin R so its close in action. I use 3ius per meal and as I am eating every 2-3 hours all day it adds up. All you need is enough to push the carbs in.

Quad

 

[dzulboy]

that 20 iu thing with 35 carbs not a good idea over eat if anything

 

[needsize]

That's got to be the single worst advice I've ever read on the board. Just because you tried it and survived, it doesn't make it right or SAFE! Very dangerous to follow suit. You should know better than that.

did I say it as advice, no,I said it was something that I had tried. I also had dextrose on hand if any symptoms showed up, shock doesnt set in immediately, there are plenty of warning signs. This was also after a conversation I had with my doctor about the subject, but I guess in your infinite wisdom you know more than he does??

 

[BigAndy69]

did I say it as advice, no,I said it was something that I had tried. I also had dextrose on hand if any symptoms showed up, shock doesnt set in immediately, there are plenty of warning signs. This was also after a conversation I had with my doctor about the subject, but I guess in your infinite wisdom you know more than he does??

And the worst advice I've ever seen on this board is that given out by those who have never done any cycles or even worked out, but claim that they have...know anyone like that Andy?

Keep playing with fire. What do I care.

Really? So now I've never worked out or done any cycles. That's cute. You could have come up with something better, more beleivable.

Btw, who schooled you on how to get insulin in the first place??? Oh yeah, me. Are you gonna deny that?

 

[the mechanic]

I use Humilin R so its close in action. I use 3ius per meal and as I am eating every 2-3 hours all day it adds up. All you need is enough to push the carbs in.

Quad

Quad...when do you actually start with the slin ? ( how far out before show ?)

 

[BigAndy69]

I dont know why you wanna keep taking these shots against me online buddy, you have nothing to gain by it. You took a comment I made on a thread, misread it, then turned that into an insult based on what your read incorrectly.

And you have never done any cycles, yet you are always giving advice to people on here about "how you run your cycles" I've known you for 2 years, and in that time you have NEVER set foot inside a gym to train.

And you didnt school me about fuck all to do with insulin, I got my info from posts by guys like ironmaster, that actually do what they preach.

If you want to keep up this infantile internet war, then fine, keep it up. If you want to grow up and move on, let me know and I'll be happy too

LOL..I said HOW TO GET(ie procure) insulin, not use it.

Known me for 2 years, huh? That's an exageration, we didn't meet until November of 2002. You haven't seen me in 7 months.

Why take it personnally? 35g of carbs for 20ius of slin is dangerous, yet you condone it...somebody's got to call you on it. No matter who posts it.

You made this personnal, but saying I've never cycled or trained. Do you really think anyone is dumb enough to beleive that?!?!?

 

[BigAndy69]

andy, there are mods from other boards who have seen you in person and can veryify what I'm saying.
Like I said, I'll be happy to drop this and even erase these posts, if you just grow the fuck up and go back to padding your fake internet persona

Fine, How about some pics to shut you up? I'll even prove it's me.

You think because you saw me out of shape, it means I've always been out of shape?

So I've been on these boards for 3 years, given great advice, wrote the fuckin book on how to use clen and T3 and now I've never cycled?

I have plenty of people who have seen me on the boards to verify that you are full of it.