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Basje12

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Hey guys,

Dutchie over here, I went to EliteFitness because it seems like you guys actually give some usefull information instead of flaming all ideas like they do back here.

I am planning on doing winstrol only as a first cycle.

Why A.S.?
I believe it fits my purpose. I've had this little layer of fat my entire life, and even though I held myself on a strict regime it wouldn't go away. I've gathered a lot of experience in the 6 years that I've been training, so I'm confident I am ready.

Why Winstrol (only)?
Since this is my first time doing AS, I think Winstrol is a good starter. I think Winstrol can help me reach my goal

My goal
Maintaining muscle mass and lose bodyfat, some gains would be a nice extra. To be exact lose 5% bodyfat.

My stats
180cm
86kg
15%bf
25 years old

How ?
Eat just below maintenance and do 30 min. of cardio twice a week.
Starting with 20mg up to 40mg a day (might go to 50, but I have to see how my body reacts).

I am planning to use 'Animal Cuts' in the period before my holliday, trying to get rid of all the water weight. Is this smart/usefull for getting that ripped look ?

I'd love to get some decent feedback!

Cheers
 
You do not need gear for this goal at all. Try a regular fat burner dude. Or a SARMS triple stack if you really wanna go the extra mile. But really just a regular fat burner and cardio are all you need.
 
You don't run oral only cycles. You need to run them with a Test base. You need to read and research ALOT more before you think about using gear. You currently have ZERO knowledge.
 
15% is not bad. If you are going to do something I would do Test only. Don't get me wrong, Test is not a fat burner but can help with fat loss. It's much better than doing Winstrol as a first cycle.
 
mercury15 said:
if you want to cut the fat the anavar is better choice
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100% disagree with this.

To the OP....ur gonna get some back lash from an oral only cycle around here bro...so be ready for the flames....having said that, run ur fucking winny at 50mg for 4-6 weeks then simple pct 100-100-50-50 clomid....other than that, stop being a pussy about using a needle. Cheers,
 
im sorry but steroids are not used for the goals you have... you don't use steroids when your at an elevated body fat, and yes, im sorry but 15% is elevated, to attempt to drop weight like that... steroids are NOT FAT BURNERS... they are not used for that purpose... its just a very poor choice... for the goals you have, you have NO BUSINESS using steroids... THAT'S NOT TO SAY that in the future, you most certainly could... what you need to do is get yourself into the proper physical condition first, THEN consider something later... read my articles on sarms at Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMS) - Evolutionary.org

you can melt fat and still build lean muscle in the process... you will absolutely be able to achieve your goals and FAR MORE without any steroid type side effect worries and a far more rapid recovery... here is a stack layout for you...

1-12 Ostarine 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout… SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
5-12 HcGenerate n2bm.com
1-12 d-spark n2bm.com
1-12 Yohimflame n2bm.com
1-12 n2slin Bodybuilding, Need to Build Muscle, Muscle Bodybuilding

Mini pct 13-16

Hcgenerate ES n2bm.com
gw-501516 20 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
 
im sorry but steroids are not used for the goals you have... you don't use steroids when your at an elevated body fat, and yes, im sorry but 15% is elevated, to attempt to drop weight like that... steroids are NOT FAT BURNERS... they are not used for that purpose... its just a very poor choice... for the goals you have, you have NO BUSINESS using steroids... THAT'S NOT TO SAY that in the future, you most certainly could... what you need to do is get yourself into the proper physical condition first, THEN consider something later... read my articles on sarms at Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARMS) - Evolutionary.org

you can melt fat and still build lean muscle in the process... you will absolutely be able to achieve your goals and FAR MORE without any steroid type side effect worries and a far more rapid recovery... here is a stack layout for you...

1-12 Ostarine 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout… SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
5-12 HcGenerate n2bm.com
1-12 d-spark n2bm.com
1-12 Yohimflame n2bm.com
1-12 n2slin Bodybuilding, Need to Build Muscle, Muscle Bodybuilding

Mini pct 13-16

Hcgenerate ES n2bm.com
gw-501516 20 mg day SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
 
The sarms triple stack is definitely your best option for your goals. There is no need to run Winstrol when you can do it better and safer with sarms.

1-12 Ostarine 25mg per day
1-12 S4 50mg per day
1-12 GW 20mg per day

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30 minutes of cardio twice a week isn't going to get it done. Print Dylan's post and read it every day.
 
Basje12 said:
Hey guys,

Dutchie over here, I went to EliteFitness because it seems like you guys actually give some usefull information instead of flaming all ideas like they do back here.

I am planning on doing winstrol only as a first cycle.

Why A.S.?
I believe it fits my purpose. I've had this little layer of fat my entire life, and even though I held myself on a strict regime it wouldn't go away. I've gathered a lot of experience in the 6 years that I've been training, so I'm confident I am ready.

Why Winstrol (only)?
Since this is my first time doing AS, I think Winstrol is a good starter. I think Winstrol can help me reach my goal

My goal
Maintaining muscle mass and lose bodyfat, some gains would be a nice extra. To be exact lose 5% bodyfat.

My stats
180cm
86kg
15%bf
25 years old

How ?
Eat just below maintenance and do 30 min. of cardio twice a week.
Starting with 20mg up to 40mg a day (might go to 50, but I have to see how my body reacts).

I am planning to use 'Animal Cuts' in the period before my holliday, trying to get rid of all the water weight. Is this smart/usefull for getting that ripped look ?

I'd love to get some decent feedback!

Cheers
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samrs triple stack will work better for what you looking for.I dont like winny alone for it at all.
 
You might just have water retention? In one of those that carries around allot of water no matter how much I drink.
 
I am new to this forum and have been doing a lot of research on Clen.... However the side effects kind of freak me out. I am pretty active work out 5 times a week and have a very hectic 12 hour 3rd shift schedule. That being said I am very strict on a high protein paleo type nutrition plan and looking into more fat loss in prep for my up coming Wedding! I am curious about this SARMS everything I click on says nothing about it such as side effects or how to take it or what I can expect? If the side effects are less I'm interested just want to know more about it! I am a female 5'9 180lbs
 
"My goal
Maintaining muscle mass and lose bodyfat, some gains would be a nice extra. To be exact lose 5% bodyfat."

Winstrol is not the best choice for attaining you're goal... "Clenbuterol" would help you lose the 5% body fat better. Clen will also give you the ENERGY to bump up you're cardio routines more than 30 minutes twice a week. You should be doing a minimum of 1 hour of cardio.

Consume 1200 to 1500 calories daily while burning at least 700 to 800 calories in the gym doing cardio, combining with your weight training...

Eating a clean high protein diet should enable you to achieve you're goals of maintaining muscle and losing body fat.
 
twiz56 said:
"My goal
Maintaining muscle mass and lose bodyfat, some gains would be a nice extra. To be exact lose 5% bodyfat."

Winstrol is not the best choice for attaining you're goal... "Clenbuterol" would help you lose the 5% body fat better. Clen will also give you the ENERGY to bump up you're cardio routines more than 30 minutes twice a week. You should be doing a minimum of 1 hour of cardio.

Consume 1200 to 1500 calories daily while burning at least 700 to 800 calories in the gym doing cardio, combining with your weight training...

Eating a clean high protein diet should enable you to achieve you're goals of maintaining muscle and losing body fat.
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Consume 1200-1500 cals per day whilst burning at least 700 is terrible advice. Sure it will work but what will happen when he stops? It's a good way to fuck up your metabolism and get fat once he starts eating again. No man should be consuming that many cals per day unless he is about 3ft tall.
 
Qoute posted by Elvial023 :Consume 1200-1500 cals per day whilst burning at least 700 is terrible advice. Sure it will work but what will happen when he stops? It's a good way to fuck up your metabolism and get fat once he starts eating again. No man should be consuming that many cals per day unless he is about 3ft tall."

The man said. And i "qoute"

"I've had this little layer of fat my entire life, and even though I held myself on a strict regime it wouldn't go away"

Based off of the this comment. I felt the subject needed to try something a little extreme to get the desired results. Probably in only 2 months. I would not recommend doing this for a long period of time. As for what will happen when he stops?. If he continues to eat clean and slowly ups his calories and continues you train hard. He will be successful in maintaining the fat off that he has lost while continuously building quality muscle.
 
I can guarantee you when someone posts online saying they are following a strict regime and they are not lean you can pretty much bet they are not eating no where as good as they should be for their goals.. Although to the OP have you had blood work done recently (test, thyroid etc).

You are correct twiz... good stuff... low cal diets can have there place in extreme cases but I doubt this is one (it's probably hormonal or diet related). I am sure with a few modifications the OP will be made up after a few months of hard work.

twiz56 said:
Qoute posted by Elvial023 :Consume 1200-1500 cals per day whilst burning at least 700 is terrible advice. Sure it will work but what will happen when he stops? It's a good way to fuck up your metabolism and get fat once he starts eating again. No man should be consuming that many cals per day unless he is about 3ft tall."

The man said. And i "qoute"

"I've had this little layer of fat my entire life, and even though I held myself on a strict regime it wouldn't go away"

Based off of the this comment. I felt the subject needed to try something a little extreme to get the desired results. Probably in only 2 months. I would not recommend doing this for a long period of time. As for what will happen when he stops?. If he continues to eat clean and slowly ups his calories and continues you train hard. He will be successful in maintaining the fat off that he has lost while continuously building quality muscle.
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