collecting IGF literature.. please help!

[satchboogie]

some questions about igf

does it increase strength or just pack on size?
do the gains stick around when you come off?
sides?
legal? im guessing no (just curious, not that i give a fuck)
will it show up in IOC drug tests?

from the way this stuff sounds id love to pick up a few kits, but i need to know the answers to these questions first

come join www.getIGF.com discussion forum.
its a site dedicated to exactly the questions you need answered.

thanks.

 

[Baywatch69]

Bump for www.getigf.com

 

[2sick]

Wow I didn't know that this IGF was from GroPep, I thought it was another pitch from OMEGA...Next time I better read the banner first Huh,

Well if it is from GroPep then it is the only good receptor grade IGF out. I will check the price and see if it is good or not, I get my IGF from a very reliable source who contracts from GroPep.

FOR DUMBASSES----DO NOT CONTACT GROPEP!!!!! I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH. do not contact them with any questions like a f----- idiot, this is a bad move and will ultimatley in the long run raise the price of IGF or discontinue it to there curtain distributors.....DO NOT CONTACT THEM with your questions that is what boards are for. They are a reputable company and will not tolerate lots of e-mails about questions instead they will start investigating...We have been through this on another board already

 

[Baywatch69]

Putting this back on page one for those that might of missed it

 

[wayneboard1]

come join www.getIGF.com discussion forum.
its a site dedicated to exactly the questions you need answered.

thanks.

Ok satch, Indy, whoever can help here, I do have a few questions about IGF. I have read the description of IGF on the website you posted satch. It describes it as mimicing insulin in the body. Pardon my ignorance here, but everything I have read about slin and my goals regarding the use of gear stear me away from slin. It's something I am obviously not educated enough to use, and the risks are too great FOR ME. This question may scream NEWBIE but is it as simple as IGF is insulin all be it a synthetic version?

It states it is a specific chain of amino acids, and that it can/should be used along with test, slin, etc, but then it says it mimics slin in the body so I am a little confused here. If someone in my situation wanted to stay away from Slin for the issues associated with it, is IGF basically the same thing with a different hat, or different alltogether and thus does not have the hazards associated with slin?

Thanks for helping an IGF newbie out.

 

[Singleton]

Here is some more. I am aware some of this literature may have to be stretched to apply to bodybuilders, but most of the literature regarding us is.


Muscle Protein Catabolism After Severe Burn: Effects of IGF-1/IGFBP-3 Treatment.
Annals of Surgery. 229(5):713, May 1999.
Herndon, David N. MD; Ramzy, Peter I. MD; DebRoy, Meelie A. MD; Zheng, Ming MD; Ferrando, Arny A. PhD; Chinkes, David L. PhD; Barret, Juan P. MD; Wolfe, Robert R. PhD; Wolf, Steven E. MD
Abstract:
Objective: To determine the effects of recombinant human insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) complexed with its principal binding protein, IGFBP-3, on skeletal muscle metabolism in severely burned children.

Summary Background Data: Severe burns are associated with a persistent hypermetabolic response characterized by hyperdynamic circulation and severe muscle catabolism and wasting. Previous studies showed that nutritional support and pharmacologic intervention with anabolic agents such as growth hormone and insulin abrogated muscle wasting and improved net protein synthesis in the severely burned. The use of these agents, however, has several adverse side effects. A new combination of IGF-1 and IGFBP-3 is now available for clinical study.

Methods: Twenty-nine severely burned children were prospectively studied before and after treatment with 0.5, 1, 2, or 4 mg/kg/day IGF-1/IGFBP-3 to determine net balance of protein across the leg, muscle protein fractional synthetic rates, and glucose metabolism. Another group was studied in a similar fashion without IGF-1/IGFBP-3 treatment as time controls.

Results: Seventeen of 29 children were catabolic before starting treatment. The infusion of 1.0 mg/kg/day IGF-1/IGFBP-3 increased serum IGF-1, which did not further increase with 2.0 and 4.0 mg/kg/day. IGF-1/IGFBP-3 treatment at 1 to 4 mg/kg/day improved net protein balance and increased muscle protein fractional synthetic rates. This effect was more pronounced in catabolic children. IGF-1/IGFBP-3 did not affect glucose uptake across the leg or change substrate utilization.

Conclusions: IGF-1/IGFBP-3 at doses of 1 to 4 mg/kg/day attenuates catabolism in catabolic burned children with negligible clinical side effects.

Just wanted to point out that that's 1-4 Milligrams, not micrograms. So they were using like what, 20mg a day? I think BB use like 20 micrograms a day - 1/1000th of that.

 

[Indy]

Ok satch, Indy, whoever can help here, I do have a few questions about IGF. I have read the description of IGF on the website you posted satch. It describes it as mimicing insulin in the body. Pardon my ignorance here, but everything I have read about slin and my goals regarding the use of gear stear me away from slin. It's something I am obviously not educated enough to use, and the risks are too great FOR ME. This question may scream NEWBIE but is it as simple as IGF is insulin all be it a synthetic version?

It states it is a specific chain of amino acids, and that it can/should be used along with test, slin, etc, but then it says it mimics slin in the body so I am a little confused here. If someone in my situation wanted to stay away from Slin for the issues associated with it, is IGF basically the same thing with a different hat, or different alltogether and thus does not have the hazards associated with slin?

Thanks for helping an IGF newbie out.

I can only put this simply as I am mobile right now and this wireless device does not have my documents on it....IGF-1 does mimic insulin the which is my it is called "IGF" Insulin LIKE Growth Factor, however it does not carry the risks of Insulin, as it is NOT in fact Insulin, it only acts like insulin in how it shuttles protein and enery into the cells, all I can remember off the top of my head right now. BUT, the reason I started IGF awhile back was because I was starting to experiment around with slin in that last cycle, knowing the risks....In my research I found that you could easily replace slin in your arsenal with IGF-1 to side steps those dangerous factors that come along with playing with slin. So I tossed the slin and GH aside, started IGF and the results are simply amazing......

With that said, the most powerful arsenal is of course AAS, SLIN, and IGF-1, all together, but for me, IGF was the replacement for slin, another risk I did not need in my life....I dont compete, why risk it.

Hope this helps....got your message too bro, yea caught up and doing better, thansk !!!

Indy-

 

[wayneboard1]

I can only put this simply as I am mobile right now and this wireless device does not have my documents on it....IGF-1 does mimic insulin the which is my it is called "IGF" Insulin LIKE Growth Factor, however it does not carry the risks of Insulin, as it is NOT in fact Insulin, it only acts like insulin in how it shuttles protein and enery into the cells, all I can remember off the top of my head right now. BUT, the reason I started IGF awhile back was because I was starting to experiment around with slin in that last cycle, knowing the risks....In my research I found that you could easily replace slin in your arsenal with IGF-1 to side steps those dangerous factors that come along with playing with slin. So I tossed the slin and GH aside, started IGF and the results are simply amazing......

With that said, the most powerful arsenal is of course AAS, SLIN, and IGF-1, all together, but for me, IGF was the replacement for slin, another risk I did not need in my life....I dont compete, why risk it.

Hope this helps....got your message too bro, yea caught up and doing better, thansk !!!

Indy-

Right on bro, glad to hear you got some much needed rest and thanks for your mobile reply. I swear you are one of the most helpful guys on this board and your replies are a huge benefit to me so thanks man! OK OK enough of the fest. lol

I was glad to see that it only mimics slin and doesn't present the same dangers that slin does. I too will not ever compete so the risks of slin aren't at all worth it to me. Does the protein shuttleing effects IGF can have require any changes to your protein intake, or does the general 1 gram of protein per lb of body weight still apply?

I wonder how this would go with my test and var. Wow, that could be a fun ride. I am really interested in how it can benefit tendons, ligaments, etc as I have always dealt with some sort of tendon issies in both my elbows. Nothing super serious but if it can help, that would be worth it to me in and of itself.

Thanks again.

 

[Indy]

Right on bro, glad to hear you got some much needed rest and thanks for your mobile reply. I swear you are one of the most helpful guys on this board and your replies are a huge benefit to me so thanks man! OK OK enough of the fest. lol

I was glad to see that it only mimics slin and doesn't present the same dangers that slin does. I too will not ever compete so the risks of slin aren't at all worth it to me. Does the protein shuttleing effects IGF can have require any changes to your protein intake, or does the general 1 gram of protein per lb of body weight still apply?

I wonder how this would go with my test and var. Wow, that could be a fun ride. I am really interested in how it can benefit tendons, ligaments, etc as I have always dealt with some sort of tendon issies in both my elbows. Nothing super serious but if it can help, that would be worth it to me in and of itself.

Thanks again.

I have not increased my protein intake over my normal routine of 200-300grams per day, so I would say it is more efficient as I am making larger gains with same amount of protein as prior.

 

[2sick]

I found some things wierd about that site getigf. I am having my doubts if it is infact sourced from Gropep.

For one Gropep says that their IGF cannot be left at room temperature and definitely not for up to 1 months. It is to be stored at just above freezeing. Gropep specifically states that their product cannot and should not be stored in your freezer.

Another thing is what www.getigf says should be a starting dose is way high, makes me think that they are refereing to Media grade and not recepto grade I mean starting media grade at 80-100mcg/day is overkill, ask anyone who has used IGF1 receptor grade I am experienced with this compound and I havent gone above 60mcg/day with fantstic results. This feeling is alos shared by all of the guys I know using the product although I know a few who have ventured into higher doses like 100-120 mcg/day and first off experienced headaches.

And last Gropep explains that you should not use BA to dilute your IGF, you should use a sodium chloride saline to reconstitue with.

All this leads me to belive that this is GETIGF is not sourced from GroPep. Not trying to be a dick but can anyone prove me wrong??? Satch?