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Coleman uses advanced drugs?

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Lets not belittle Ronnie Coleman, he has incredible genetics and is very dedicated.

But, in YOUR opinion, he uses experimental, advanced, ex drugs?
Something beyond steroids, beyond GH/IGF1, beyond insulin?

* Has a little secret.

* Just genetics.
 
no man, what could he use? and IF he is using something beyond this stuff, then trust me the other pros would have known. and used them too.
 
ive heard something about interlukein-13: studys in lab rats they gained insane percentage in muscle mass n lost massive amounts of fat... just for thought
 
LT3 said:
no man, what could he use? and IF he is using something beyond this stuff, then trust me the other pros would have known. and used them too.
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Completely agree with this bro..........................i think they all would know, its not like he has imprisoned some genius scientist and has him working in the basement chambers........

I think its just the genetics, losta hard work, and a boatload of drugs.....
 
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Bro he's got people paying for his shit, He has an unlimited amount of everything and great Genetics.....
 
I wouldn't doubt he is using more experimental drugs. What, I don't know, but a pro like him could easily be on the bleeding edge of technology. I mean, i've read about pro's using IGF not IGF-LR3 years ago, before more people probably knew it existed. If you have the money and the will to use something new you can probably do it, and with the popularity that someone like him has, he probably gets approached to try out new stuff often enough.
 
I think it just comes down to genetics with Ronnie. He has been blessed with an insane body structure and metabolism.....but also probably does pretty big dosages too. Who knows?? He came out of nowhere to win the Olympia and Lee Priest actually stated in an MD, "Whatever he is doing, I hope it is safe."
 
I think Ronnie is just a genetic freak. It's my understanding that he was natural for his entire amateur career. I'm trying hard to remember where I read this, I wanna say it's in an old copy of MD that I have laying around somewhere. I also read an interview with him from a couple years back after he gained something like 30lbs more pounds at age 38 and they asked how he did it and he said " I finally got serious about my diet and cleaned it up". Must be nice to win about 5 or 6 Olympias and then decide you are gonna clean up your diet a little. He stated that before he was eating McDonalds and everything else. Still said that his bodyfat has never been higher than 5% and that it's actually been recorded lower than 1% before, I think he said 0.4%. I wouldn't be suprised to find out that the guy actually uses less gear than all the other pros.
 
Cmon Guys....he tells you what he uses..BSN NO-Xplode!!! Why would he lie to us?? :verygood:














Shhhhhh...I also heard he drinks his Winstrol too... :Chef:
 
big_boy_1 said:
Lets not belittle Ronnie Coleman, he has incredible genetics and is very dedicated.

But, in YOUR opinion, he uses experimental, advanced, ex drugs?
Something beyond steroids, beyond GH/IGF1, beyond insulin?

* Has a little secret.

* Just genetics.
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who knows really. i would bet just LARGE amounts of all the above.
 
JumpBallWinner said:
I think Ronnie is just a genetic freak. It's my understanding that he was natural for his entire amateur career. I'm trying hard to remember where I read this, I wanna say it's in an old copy of MD that I have laying around somewhere. I also read an interview with him from a couple years back after he gained something like 30lbs more pounds at age 38 and they asked how he did it and he said " I finally got serious about my diet and cleaned it up". Must be nice to win about 5 or 6 Olympias and then decide you are gonna clean up your diet a little. He stated that before he was eating McDonalds and everything else. Still said that his bodyfat has never been higher than 5% and that it's actually been recorded lower than 1% before, I think he said 0.4%. I wouldn't be suprised to find out that the guy actually uses less gear than all the other pros.
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if he is less then 5% year round then his organs must be extremely enlarged from growth hormone and who knows whut else , cause ive never seen sumone under 5% with a gut like he has.....EVEN COMPETITION TIME
 
big_boy_1 said:
Lets not belittle Ronnie Coleman, he has incredible genetics and is very dedicated.

But, in YOUR opinion, he uses experimental, advanced, ex drugs?
Something beyond steroids, beyond GH/IGF1, beyond insulin?

* Has a little secret.

* Just genetics.
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andro fuel during bulking stacked with muscle milk, trim spa pre contest stacked with Leptoprin.....
 
Interlukin, Mechano-Growth factor(scator factor), IGF-1, HGH, and Insulin.

An experimental stack that would give results far beyond ones genetic predisposition.


Please keep in mind, that the great Dorian Yates was rumored to have biochemists employed in the reasearch and development of usable experimental growth factors. Most notably, Mechano growth facrtor, whcih has shown in reasearch to rival Myostatin inhibitors in anabolism of rats.
 
The answer to everyones big question lies within the magazine, Scientific American, Volume 10, issue # 2. Published July 1999.

Enjoy
 
how many grams of gear you think he's running 5? 10? 15?.
 
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Nate82 said:
I wouldn't doubt he is using more experimental drugs. What, I don't know, but a pro like him could easily be on the bleeding edge of technology. I mean, i've read about pro's using IGF not IGF-LR3 years ago, before more people probably knew it existed. If you have the money and the will to use something new you can probably do it, and with the popularity that someone like him has, he probably gets approached to try out new stuff often enough.
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Agreed. Those who train him (Chad Nicholls etc) are probably on the cutting edge and have techniques and drugs they keep to themselves, otherwise why pay a guy to train if he gives it for free.

For instance, I know Cutler does that rolphing massage method to stretch the muscle fascia. That is something most do not do.
 
You can only run so much before your body just can't use anymore so I doubt he's running 5+ grams of test.

It would be interesting to see exactly what that guy takes.
 
goal200 said:
I think it's the training partner in camouflage spandex. If that don't make you squat more, nuthin will "Come on Ronnie!"
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omfg LOL
 
-freak genetics
-lots of gear
-shitloads of food
-great strength lifting regimen
and MOST IMPORTANTLY... PATIENCE, the dude isn't at the top of the game in his fourties for no reason

you can speculate as much as you want in genetical doping and other stuff but it all comes down to the above topics that makes a bodybuilder, there are NO shortcuts.
 
21gun said:
He is an officer of the law...therefore, he is drug-free.
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No doubt. He is using the ultimate muscle mass matrix formula shown in studys to be 10x more anabolic than all steroids combined. Im a mod here but dont know if i should even post this..

Keep it on the dl guys.....He is using Cell Tech & Nitro Tech Stack by MuscleTe*h.

I hashed out the name of this company even though they are an otc supplement because it is so damn strong!
 
JumpBallWinner said:
Must be nice to win about 5 or 6 Olympias and then decide you are gonna clean up your diet a little. He stated that before he was eating McDonalds and everything else. Still said that his bodyfat has never been higher than 5% and that it's actually been recorded lower than 1% before, I think he said 0.4%.
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I know the secret:

Power step with Richard Simmons + Deal a Meal.

Seriously, no BS!!!
 
I saw something on TV a year or so ago about a scientific company that was working on remapping genetic codes and what not. Something about how they could make man into a frak of nature muscle wise. Said all of these companies were knocking down there door wanting them to sell them some of what they had. Said they were getting calls from Government officials from different companies wanting to make super soldiers and what not.

Maybe he was their giunea pig?

Maybe he just eats his wheaties and an apple a day. He does have nice teeth.

Either way, he definitely is a freak to behold.
 
JumpBallWinner said:
I think Ronnie is just a genetic freak. It's my understanding that he was natural for his entire amateur career. I'm trying hard to remember where I read this, I wanna say it's in an old copy of MD that I have laying around somewhere. I also read an interview with him from a couple years back after he gained something like 30lbs more pounds at age 38 and they asked how he did it and he said " I finally got serious about my diet and cleaned it up". Must be nice to win about 5 or 6 Olympias and then decide you are gonna clean up your diet a little. He stated that before he was eating McDonalds and everything else. Still said that his bodyfat has never been higher than 5% and that it's actually been recorded lower than 1% before, I think he said 0.4%. I wouldn't be suprised to find out that the guy actually uses less gear than all the other pros.
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I agree, i hear it allot people stating how insane the amount of drugs Ronnie uses must be but thinking about it if he has awesome genetics then the amountsof gear he uses may not be that much at all why would he need it.
 
There was a rumor back then that he had access to IL-15 which is insanely expensive and hardcore.
 
Ronnie is what happens when you combine incredible genetics, discipline, work ethic, and a shit load of AAS, slin, GH, etc. I have a ton of respect for that guy. He works his ass off to be where he is. Drugs or not. I know that I could do his exact cycles and never look like him. It's all genetics.
 
big_boy_1 said:
Lets not belittle Ronnie Coleman, he has incredible genetics and is very dedicated.

But, in YOUR opinion, he uses experimental, advanced, ex drugs?
Something beyond steroids, beyond GH/IGF1, beyond insulin?

* Has a little secret.

* Just genetics.
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Quit simpel! Tonns of juice,STH + insulin+ best genetic at the time.
 
big_boy_1 said:
Lets not belittle Ronnie Coleman, he has incredible genetics and is very dedicated.

But, in YOUR opinion, he uses experimental, advanced, ex drugs?
Something beyond steroids, beyond GH/IGF1, beyond insulin?

* Has a little secret.

* Just genetics.
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genetics and regular gear. u ever see pics of him from when he played at grambling? he couldnt have been on anything then because of ncaa regulations and he still looked like a freak of nature.
 
genes

even if the guys with the best genes on this board took what he did they wouldn't look like him.. chances are he doesnt take as much as some 200lbers.
 
markshark said:
genetics and regular gear. u ever see pics of him from when he played at grambling? he couldnt have been on anything then because of ncaa regulations and he still looked like a freak of nature.
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I knew people in a big NCAA football school ( top 10 almost every year ) that used gear and never got caught.
 
I read somewhere or it was in the "Unbelievable" DVD that he said it is all about the Insulin and obviously the anabolics, GH, IGF-1 to go along with it. I think it was right before he drank a liter or two of cool-aid. The insulin transports those expensive anabolics to the muscles. Oh yeah, when he started training he already had over 20'' arms.
 
big_boy_1 said:
Lets not belittle Ronnie Coleman, he has incredible genetics and is very dedicated.

But, in YOUR opinion, he uses experimental, advanced, ex drugs?
Something beyond steroids, beyond GH/IGF1, beyond insulin?

* Has a little secret.

* Just genetics.
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AS
GH
IGF-1
INSULIN
DNP
and a few others

but that's it

also, add GENETICS, HARDCORE TRAINING, DIET
 
Mr.X said:
AS
GH
IGF-1
INSULIN
DNP
and a few others

but that's it

also, add GENETICS, HARDCORE TRAINING, DIET
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Don't forget about MGF (Mechan Growth Factor) and all those goodies that inhibit GDF8 (namely anti-GDF8, Myostatin Propeptide, Follistatin).

That is what seperates the men from the boys.

Oh and don't forget about the plasma expanders come the day of the contest.
 
inhibit GDF8 (namely anti-GDF8, Myostatin Propeptide, Follistatin).

That is what seperates the men from the boys.

Oh and don't forget about the plasma expanders come the day of the contest.
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Please elaborate
 
"Interleukin-15: a novel anabolic cytokine for skeletal muscle

LS Quinn, KL Haugk and KH Grabstein
Geriatric Research, Education, and Clinical Center, American Lake VA Medical Center, Tacoma, WA 98493, USA.

Interleukin-15 (IL-15) is a recently discovered growth factor which is highly expressed in skeletal muscle. In order to determine a functional role for IL-15 in skeletal myogenesis, the effects of IL-15 on myoblast proliferation and muscle-specific myosin heavy chain (MHC) expression were analyzed using the mouse C2 skeletal myogenic cell line and primary fetal bovine skeletal myogenic cultures. IL-15 had no effect on [3H]thymidine incorporation, nor on the rate of myoblast differentiation, assessed by anti-MHC immunocytochemical staining, in either type of culture. However, Western blot analyses revealed that IL- 15 used at concentrations of 10 or 100 ng/ml increased MHC accumulation five-fold in C2 myoblast cultures and 2.5-fold in primary bovine myogenic cultures. Moreover, C2 myotubes formed in the presence of IL- 15 appeared larger than controls. These findings indicate IL-15 can stimulate differentiated myocytes and muscle fibers to accumulate increased amounts of contractile proteins. Well-fused primary bovine myogenic cultures treated with the mitotic inhibitor aphidicolin, then administered IL-15 and/or the anabolic growth factor insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I), were analyzed for MHC accumulation using Western blots. IL-15 used at 10 ng/ml doubled MHC accumulation and was as effective as IGF-I used at 10 or 100 ng/ml. IL-15 and IGF-I used together increased MHC accumulation close to five-fold, indicating these two factors can act additively on muscle fibers. These findings indicate IL-15 affects parameters associated with skeletal muscle fiber hypertrophy, and suggest that IL-15 may be a novel anabolic agent to increase skeletal muscle mass. "
 
LT3 said:
Please elaborate
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Well, this isn't exactly my area of expertise but I can give a basic explanation (and I will get a more detailed one courtesy of another individual, but that may have to wait a day or two).

But basically, GDF8 (growth and differentiation factor 8) is part of a family of related molecules called transforming growth factors beta (TGF-b ). This has more commonly come be known as the Myostatin gene. (You may or may be familiar with some of the experiments performed on cattle and mice;however, if you are familiar with them, you would understand the potential of this drug). Myostatin is a gene responsible for inhibiting skeletal musclular growth in humans (and all life as far as I know). Studies performed in untrained animals and livestock revealed an increase in skeletal muscle mass by an average of 2-3 times. This finding is quite remarkable really. (As cited below).

McPherron, AC, AM Lawler, SJ Lee. Regulation of skeletal muscle mass in mice by a new TGF-b superfamily member. Nature 1997, 387:83.

McPherron, AC, SJ Lee. Double muscling in cattle due to mutations in the myostatin gene. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 1997, 94:12457

In terms of practical use in bodybuilding rounds, I only know of one individual who has ever used any of this category of drugs. His muscular gains are actually quite unbelievable. Adminstration of 2-4 intravenous injections daily certainly isn't for the faint at heart though. I also would be very scared to ever use any drug claiming to inhibity GDF8 as I would be concerned that it could possibly inhibit a close relative GDF11. Now, GDF11 activity is known to be important for processes such as bone morphogenesis, retinal development, dentin formation (teeth), possibly in kidney development, and possibly in neurogenesis/repair. We also do not know if GDF8 is responsible for more than simply regulating skeletal muscle growth.

In laymans terms, this category of drugs about as dangerous as it gets. There certainly are going to be more and more individuals using this drug as they try to make it in the bodybuilding/powerlifting world. Given its price, administration method, and possible dangers, I don't expect to see this category of drugs gaining much ground in an amateur bodybuilders shoebox anytime soon.

I apologize if I butchered anything there or inaccurately represented something, but its a bit over my head.
 
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Well, this isn't exactly my area of expertise but I can give a basic explanation (and I will get a more detailed one courtesy of another individual, but that may have to wait a day or two).

But basically, GDF8 (growth and differentiation factor 8) is part of a family of related molecules called transforming growth factors beta (TGF-b ). This has more commonly come be known as the Myostatin gene. (You may or may be familiar with some of the experiments performed on cattle and mice;however, if you are familiar with them, you would understand the potential of this drug). Myostatin is a gene responsible for inhibiting skeletal musclular growth in humans (and all life as far as I know). Studies performed in untrained animals and livestock revealed an increase in skeletal muscle mass by an average of 2-3 times. This finding is quite remarkable really. (As cited below).

McPherron, AC, AM Lawler, SJ Lee. Regulation of skeletal muscle mass in mice by a new TGF-b superfamily member. Nature 1997, 387:83.

McPherron, AC, SJ Lee. Double muscling in cattle due to mutations in the myostatin gene. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 1997, 94:12457

In terms of practical use in bodybuilding rounds, I only know of one individual who has ever used any of this category of drugs. His muscular gains are actually quite unbelievable. Adminstration of 2-4 intravenous injections daily certainly isn't for the faint at heart though. I also would be very scared to ever use any drug claiming to inhibity GDF8 as I would be concerned that it could possibly inhibit a close relative GDF11. Now, GDF11 activity is known to be important for processes such as bone morphogenesis, retinal development, dentin formation (teeth), possibly in kidney development, and possibly in neurogenesis/repair. We also do not know if GDF8 is responsible for more than simply regulating skeletal muscle growth.

In laymans terms, this category of drugs about as dangerous as it gets. There certainly are going to be more and more individuals using this drug as they try to make it in the bodybuilding/powerlifting world. Given its price, administration method, and possible dangers, I don't expect to see this category of drugs gaining much ground in an amateur bodybuilders shoebox anytime soon.

I apologize if I butchered anything there or inaccurately represented something, but its a bit over my head.
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not at all bro. its pretty clear, thanx for the info, this is interesting to say the least.
 
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