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Clomid Vs. Dermacrine Sustain
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bigguns101
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Theres many better choices out there besides clomid, it gave me nasty acne and I evntually had blurred vision , I was taking 100 mgs for the first week tapering down. You can come up with something with less sides for just using anavar imo.
artificialaspirations
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would regular dermacrine be good pct for a short low dose var cycle?
artificialaspirations said:
ive heard derm sustain would be better than dermacrine for pct after a cycle of var, but that is just what people have told me...
I am still hoping for some more opinions... anyone???
what would be a better more simple option than the clomid? or is sustain the way to go??
needtogetaas
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I say ether reg or sustain would be a good pct and a far better pct then clomid.
4 weeks 5 pumps a day of ether would be all you would need for pct.
4 weeks 5 pumps a day of ether would be all you would need for pct.
I'd take Dermacrine over clomid any day.
needtogetaas
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hell I would even take the advice of the silly pudy thread over clomid.well maybe not but close.lolNelson Montana said:
artificialaspirations said:
Original Derma is not really ideal for PCT... Derma Sustain is much better for this.
I think Derma Sustain would be equally effective as clomid, but safer and with less sides. It would definitely not have the popular sex drive killing effect the clomid has for a lot of guys. If your stuck on running clomid or nolva for PCT you could always go with a lower dose (for less side effects) and stack it with the Sustain. Something like 4-5 pumps of Sustain with 25mg/day clomid would be good.
-Pp
hd heritage
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I can offer this......I used clomid/nolva for p c t & crashed hard for about 3 wks. Lost energy, motivation, it was hell just going to the gym much less trying to have a decent workout. I used only dermacrine sustain for my last p c t & I didn't crash, not even a little bit. I was so damn excited about that! Got a bottle of sustain on standby for when I come off the cycle I just started.
needtogetaas
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thats what the people that have used it almost always say...and the people that have never used it just talk shit.hd heritage said:
MichaelScott
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do u start the sustain immediately after last shot or wait 14 days then start it for 30 days?
needtogetaas
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depends on the esters you ended the cycle with...short esters 1week long esters 2 weeks...imohstern said:
MichaelScott
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cool thanks need2 doin e so ill go 14 days then start it, u need 2 be a mod already, that answer to my q took what 3 mins,
MichaelScott
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i think this is the one im gonna tryPrimordial Performance said:
needtogetaas
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well I am just going to keep doing what I do bro...3 mins is slow for me.lolhstern said:
njmuscleguy
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+1 for Derma Sustain. It worked nicely, helped avoid crash, no sides.
stressman13
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anavar only is really mild. Any of those, clomid, nolva or derma will be more then fine. You problem lies in the clomid at 100mg....no need. 50 mg tops. 2 wks or so of clomid is fine if u got it. Dont go running out and buying something else for an anavar only PCT. REtarded. 2 weeks of clomid at 50mg a day is plenty.
MichaelScott
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is one of clomid's sides losing your sense of taste. since i started on it it seems like everything i eat has no taste at all. could it be the clomid or the ag guys accutane or the myogenex any help appreciated
hstern said:
Are you using liquid clomid or accutane? I know most liquids taste like ass, so that might be messing with your taste...
-Pp
needtogetaas
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ya do youself a favor and mix it with fresh squeezed lemons or something like that...Primordial Performance said:
Clomid at 50mg ED for 3-4 weeks is fine. People get the sides when they "frontload" it, which they don't need to do. Always worked great for me, never had any of the sides. Plus it's a lot cheaper.
needtogetaas
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lots of people get the sides regardless of the dose bro...to each his own but any one that has tried dermacrine sustain for PCT - post cycle therapy - would say its better.people who have not used it really have no say in what is better or not now do they.Pikaberdot said:
Why would you fix something if it isn't broken? Especially since you end up spending more $?
hyp1
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Pikaberdot said:
I fully agree,I use HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - ,dermacrine sustain and clomid @50mgs the sides are non existent it's when people start trying to take over 50mgs is when they get sides from hell(i.e visual disturbances,tracer and mood swings like a chick that's pmsing)
I've used both by the way,so yeah I can comment.......I think they both have their place in post cycle therapy.
needtogetaas
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kind of dumb argument here bro...the question at hand is witch is betterPikaberdot said:
clomid or dermacrine...so if you have not tried both then you have no say on the subject...the thread was not how is clomid working for you...or tell us about clomid or even lets just talk about clomid...no the question is witch is better
and like I said no matter how much you or any one loves clomid it has shit to do with witch is better unless you have used both and can give a first hand account of how you feel about them both.......
Whatever you say chief.
needtogetaas said:
a creed
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needtogetaas said:
Seriously bro,.......this thread is about personal experiences, and if someone LOVES Clomid and doesn't want to try Derma, get over it.................move on......................let it go.................
Do you think EF represents the majority of the Bodybuilding Community??
Not even "close"
MOST BB-ers, BY FAR, have "excellent" experiences with Clomid - but no one is going to start a thread stating they love Clomid.
Your derma (well not yours) may work great for people that use it,.....I can handle that.............can you handle the the above?????
GEEZE>..................................
Hurricane55
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xrsist said:
Yeah, I use 50 mg for pct and find it works fine
Usually, the decision for someone to use Sustain over Clomid or Nolva is to avoid the side-effecs of these SERMs. I personally don’t use either clomid or nolva due to there extensive toxic profile. (liver toxic, ocular toxic, genotoxic, libido suppressing, ect)
Clomid and Nolva are synthetic estrogens that have super-estrogen effects, anti-estrogenic effects, and screwy DNA damaging effects depending on the bodily tissue and metabolite. I went through exhaustive research with these compounds, and the closer you look at them, the more damaging they appear.
Consider this – We are about to enter the 3th major generation of medical SERMS. Clomid and Nolva are first generation SERM’s with the worst side effect profile, toremifene and raloxifene are second generation, and bazedoxifene, arzoxifene, and lasofoxifene are 3rd generation. Each generation improves upon the previous generation by being less toxic. That should tell you something. I can post a full referenced write up on this.
Everyone who has replaced their typical SERMs with Sustain has been more than happy. So far, everyone claims to actually be recovering better with Sustain, compared to clomid or nolva. While I do believe Sustain to be equally effective for post cycle therapy purposes, I think people’s results are so positive because they are simply suffering from less side effects. (Contrary to popular believe, post cycle sexual dysfunction is often a result of PCT drugs such as clomid or nolva, not low testosterone)
Regardless of whether or not you actually notice anything negative from clomid or nolva, that doesn’t mean the SERMs are doing damage to your body. Before I ever began selling Derma Sustain Id warn guys about the risks and advise guys to limit the use of clomid/nolva as much as possible. My advice was unbias untill I started profiting from an alternative product.
-Pp
Clomid and Nolva are synthetic estrogens that have super-estrogen effects, anti-estrogenic effects, and screwy DNA damaging effects depending on the bodily tissue and metabolite. I went through exhaustive research with these compounds, and the closer you look at them, the more damaging they appear.
Consider this – We are about to enter the 3th major generation of medical SERMS. Clomid and Nolva are first generation SERM’s with the worst side effect profile, toremifene and raloxifene are second generation, and bazedoxifene, arzoxifene, and lasofoxifene are 3rd generation. Each generation improves upon the previous generation by being less toxic. That should tell you something. I can post a full referenced write up on this.
Everyone who has replaced their typical SERMs with Sustain has been more than happy. So far, everyone claims to actually be recovering better with Sustain, compared to clomid or nolva. While I do believe Sustain to be equally effective for post cycle therapy purposes, I think people’s results are so positive because they are simply suffering from less side effects. (Contrary to popular believe, post cycle sexual dysfunction is often a result of PCT drugs such as clomid or nolva, not low testosterone)
Regardless of whether or not you actually notice anything negative from clomid or nolva, that doesn’t mean the SERMs are doing damage to your body. Before I ever began selling Derma Sustain Id warn guys about the risks and advise guys to limit the use of clomid/nolva as much as possible. My advice was unbias untill I started profiting from an alternative product.
-Pp
mrribbit
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Look the only problem that we face on here is the fact that people like to bash a product (Derma) that which they have never even tried. Personally I have used both. I used to swear that clomid was great eventhough it made me an emotional wreck while I used it. Yes, my balls got back to normal but I still had the shitty crash feeling. I was curious about derma for a while but I couldn't understand how a topical product would have better results than a pill. So finally I just said "fuk it" and ordered derma sustain for pct comming off a test enenthate cycle @ 600mg ew. I started it about 14 days after my last test injection. Within about 4-5 days I felt great and started to notice the boys were going south again. After 8-10 days, I felt my concentration and focus were on point and my strength and size stayed the same. I couldn't believe that I had NO loss of strength. I would have expected a little strength/size loss if I was using clomid. Around 12-14 days I felt like I was on again. Oh and my sex drive was through the fukin roof AND my loads were MUCH bigger than ever before (Girlfriend was IMPRESSED!). As far as I'm concerned, Clomid is shit now and Derma products rule. I don't have any affiliation with Primordial Performance. I'm just stating a fact. So if anyone feels like bashing ANY derma product, let me know and send me a pm and we can "talk" about it. I really can't stand these extremely stubborn assho#@s who talk shit about something they have never even used. I just want to set the record straight. No one is saying if you use clomid that you are dumb. I'm just saying that you're dumb for not TRYING derma sustain instead of clomid for pct. I don't hate anyone nor do I wish to start any battles. Just SHUT UP AND TRY DERMA ONE TIME!!!
blackthunder
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I did try Sustain, worked pretty good, but I still stick to Clomid for my PCT. Does that make me a Stubborn assho#@?
needtogetaas
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nopeblackthunder said:
needtogetaas
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meh go back to the aifm board with the rest of the sore losersa creed said:
Bruce
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var is not for pct bottome line, it is not even a bridge it shuts you down. i do what endos tell their patients to do which is take clomid and hcg. i have yet to take derma but i will not replace what has been working for me for 4 years which is clomid and hcg. however i will give it a try soon. aifm worked decent but didn't sway me from clomid. bbers have been taking clomid forever for a reason. if derma sticks around i thin i'll try it out and see what it does for me. but its kind of like comparing tylenol to a supplement that guys are having luck with relieving pain. with that said though i am not downing derma, however, i just don't know anyone personally that has used and had luck with it. not one good vet or bro who taught me has switched over from clomid but a few have added derma. if anything i'd say it could be a great addition and certainly something that could replace aifm, which gave vicious rashes. replacing clomid is just not something i see it doing especially with old school tried and true bbers who have seen real results. not Joe bean pole or 230 lb people with 30%bf that think they look good. i am really not digging the posts i see lately saying var does not need to pct and that var can be used as pct. it shuts you down just like any other steroid. its not for pct. a proper serm with hcg is the way to go, be that nolva or clomid. clomid at 50mg ed seems to work the best and exceeding this dose has proved to be a waste in many studies. I can run 800mg of primo ew for 20 weeks and use hcg the last few weeks and run 50mg of clomid for 3 weeks max. i recover fully and have gotten to low 200's single digit bf. never have my test levels come back low on blood work. i even incorporate tren. give me a reason to drop something that does that for me. like i said i'll try some derma at some point but to me right now i have to see it stick around for a long while. ive been here for the ag craze, aifm craze, and now the derma. i'll just have to see. clomid is cheap and tried and true.
stressman13
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im in the same boat. Ive never really had a crash. I may be someone who could get away without any PCT, however I am gyno prone so i use an ai during cycle and low dose during pct. I use HCG and Clomid regardless, although I am open to other options. I am looking to try derma as well, but clomid is cheap and works for me without problems. I never go above 50mg day and dont really get sides from it. Im a moody guy regardless, so not sure if I get that side. Doesnt seem like it.
Stallbro said:
What makes you feel your are crashing? Have you even been able to go to the gym?
I remember you saying something about breaking an arm...
-Pp
