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Clomid...Oh Clomid, where are u?

Nutri-Wrestler

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Am I the only one that doesnt know where to score some clomid or novaldex?

anyways, what would be a good post cylce supplement to help
re-inflate the boys? and dont say clomid unless ur gonna tell where i can get it.

Ross
 
I'm having the same problem. I might just have to go with some tribulus, even though everyone says it is shit and doesn't work. For the anti-estrogen the only thing I could find was M from biotest, but i don't know how good that is either.
 
I heard Tribulus is good. I was thinking about taking Tribex 500 and M afterwards. Im just tryin to get some ideas on what else to tak, but no one is posting. Pa1ad said something about developing a new anti-estrogenic thing. If he comes out with it then ill probably give it a try and maybe i can talk my boss into carrying it in our stores (shouldnt be too hard).

Ross
 
Aromastat if I remember correctly. He said it would be out between 4-6 weeks, a week ago. Not sure if will be out in time before I finish my cycle and being a new product it's bound to have a hefty price with it.
 
hey puff you sure he has it yet still haven't heard a conclusive answer if he was selling it or not.it is of course for research purposes only though
 
Anti-estrogens and aromatase inhibitors do NOT stimulate testosterone production posy cycle.

1) Estrogen levels are lower post-cycle, not elevated.

2) LH levels return rapidly on their own, as estrogen and androgen levels are lower.

3) The suppressed T post cycle is due to atrophy of the testes, which causes them to respond poorly to LH.

I want it to really sink in. Anti-estrogen only prevent gyno from imbalanced estrogen/androgen ratio. Estrogen levels are lower post-cycle, not elevated.

- Bill
 
w_llewellyn said:
Anti-estrogens and aromatase inhibitors do NOT stimulate testosterone production posy cycle.

1) Estrogen levels are lower post-cycle, not elevated.

2) LH levels return rapidly on their own, as estrogen and androgen levels are lower.

3) The suppressed T post cycle is due to atrophy of the testes, which causes them to respond poorly to LH.

I want it to really sink in. Anti-estrogen only prevent gyno from imbalanced estrogen/androgen ratio. Estrogen levels are lower post-cycle, not elevated.

- Bill
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So why do gains seem to "stick" better post cycle if you take clomid or nolva than if you don't? Would really like to understand this topic...
 
w_llewellyn said:
Anti-estrogens and aromatase inhibitors do NOT stimulate testosterone production posy cycle.

1) Estrogen levels are lower post-cycle, not elevated.

2) LH levels return rapidly on their own, as estrogen and androgen levels are lower.

3) The suppressed T post cycle is due to atrophy of the testes, which causes them to respond poorly to LH.

I want it to really sink in. Anti-estrogen only prevent gyno from imbalanced estrogen/androgen ratio. Estrogen levels are lower post-cycle, not elevated.

- Bill
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Now I'm confused...
 
THeMaCHinE said:


So why do gains seem to "stick" better post cycle if you take clomid or nolva than if you don't? Would really like to understand this topic...
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That hasn't been my experience. AE's alone are pretty much the same thing as nothing IME.

HCG is much more important.
 
Very simple... Antiestrogens do just as name implies. Blocks estrogen. They will not start back up your LH and FSH levels. Only block Estrogen.
 
riskybizz007 said:
Very simple... Antiestrogens do just as name implies. Blocks estrogen. They will not start back up your LH and FSH levels. Only block Estrogen.
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Blocking estrogen does raise LH levels normally, but post cycle estrogen levels are lower than normal and LH rebounds quickly without help. The problem is not the level of LH, but the fact that the testes don't respond to it well for a while. You actually spend much of your post cycle window with normal or even high LH levels, and low test levels, without the help of anti-estrogens.

- Bill
 
w_llewellyn said:
Anti-estrogens and aromatase inhibitors do NOT stimulate testosterone production posy cycle.
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Bill has an article on this subject in the next issue of Mind and Muscle (The Magazine formerly known as Big Motherf*cker)
 
Bill-

Thanks for the posts. I just want to prevent any type of "bitch tits" from forming. Also, does the hypothalamus monitor estrogen levels to determine if more testosterone needs to be produced? Is that why an increase of LH is seen post cycle?

Say if i was to take tribulus post cycle. You say it wont help because my nuts will be the size of beans and therefore wont respond to an increased amount of LH. But wouldnt an incresed amount of LH be good? Isn't that the principle behind injecting people with type 1 diabetes, because there cells dont respond to insulin as well and thats why a higher dosage is needed?

Ross
 
Nutri-Wrestler said:
Bill-

Thanks for the posts. I just want to prevent any type of "bitch tits" from forming.
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For this, an anti-estrogen may be important (if you are sensitive to it post cycle).

Also, does the hypothalamus monitor estrogen levels to determine if more testosterone needs to be produced? Is that why an increase of LH is seen post cycle?
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Yes. Androgens serve as feedback signals also, which is why non-aromatizing steroids still shut down T production.

Say if i was to take tribulus post cycle. You say it wont help because my nuts will be the size of beans and therefore wont respond to an increased amount of LH. But wouldnt an incresed amount of LH be good? Isn't that the principle behind injecting people with type 1 diabetes, because there cells dont respond to insulin as well and thats why a higher dosage is needed?
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You really have no other option but to try and get a strong LH signal. We want it to be much stronger than what LH is already providing if we want to make any progress here though. This can be effectively done with HCG, not anti-estrogens. Together with already normal or elevated LH, you can have a very high level of stimulus and hopefully hasten the return to normal.
 
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Nutri-Wrestler said:
Smokinghawk:

Thanks for the link, i dont think i ever would have found it without you. You kick ass bro!

Ross
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Welcome! Did I get karma? (haven't checked yet...)

In fact, they have a lot of good stuff at that site, they take paypal, and it's legal--no customs hassles to worry about!

Cheap birth control pills, allergy meds, whatever's legal.
 
Smokinghawk: I will give you karma as soon as i know where the button is. for some reason i dont see it at the bottom of your post. Also, what does karma do (im new)?

Bill: Thanks for the time you put in to explain to all of us out here who need help. Its not too often when you see manufacturers like you and Pat that go the extra mile to help out thier consumers.

Also, im thinkin about doin Boldione stacked with 1-AD. Do you think this would be good?

One more thing before i go, what is HCG?

Ross
 
Nutri-Wrestler said:
Also, im thinkin about doin Boldione stacked with 1-AD. Do you think this would be good?

One more thing before i go, what is HCG?
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This has worked very well for a good number of people.. Of course I'm going to suggest Boldione and 1-Test, which 1-AD is a precursor to. But you will certainly not be disappointed either way.


HCG is an injectable drug that mimics LH.

- Bill
 
is that FINA they are selling on the site?

and how do these sites sell clomid and not get busted?

is there other sites that sell dbol etc.?
 
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