Clenbuterol - Best u have used for getting ripped?

[marvelous54]

Thanks Bro...This is a great forum to be a part of everyone's willing to help

What test should I use and should it be instead of EQ or in addition too?

What are your stats, exact goals, your weight training experience, experience with AAS (how many/what type of cycles) and how long do you want to run this cycle for?

Remember first and foremost is a disciplined diet and WO routine!

 

[supra5469]

What are your stats, exact goals, your weight training experience, experience with AAS (how many/what type of cycles) and how long do you want to run this cycle for?

Remember first and foremost is a disciplined diet and WO routine!

I've done many cycles over the years its been my routine to get in shape every year or every other year during my 20's and early 30's. I'm 36 5'8" 200lbs now, my best shape was with me at 185 rock solid muscle and lean. I can't remember exactly how many but i'd guess 5-7cycles over twelve years, always lean muscle cycles I'm not the one to put on 15-20lbs more like 8-10lbs, now i'm looking to loss weight and gain lean muscle. I think a 12 week cycle would be good. What would you recomend? and yes A disciplined diet and WO routines are foremost. I get really into it, its a lifestyle change, needed lifestyle change!

 

[marvelous54]

I've done many cycles over the years its been my routine to get in shape every year or every other year during my 20's and early 30's. I'm 36 5'8" 200lbs now, my best shape was with me at 185 rock solid muscle and lean. I can't remember exactly how many but i'd guess 5-7cycles over twelve years, always lean muscle cycles I'm not the one to put on 15-20lbs more like 8-10lbs, now i'm looking to loss weight and gain lean muscle. I think a 12 week cycle would be good. What would you recomend? and yes A disciplined diet and WO routines are foremost. I get really into it, its a lifestyle change, needed lifestyle change!

I would run something similar to this:

Cycle

Sust - 500mg/wk wks1-12
EQ - 500mg/wk wks1-12
Winny - 50mg/ed wks 8-15 (by week 15 the slower esters in the sust will be @ half life)
Liquidex - .5mg/ed wks1-15

Remember your pct as well

If it's your first time with T3, I would drop the dosages to something like this:

Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 12.5mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 25mcg (one dose in the morning)
Day 11-13: 37.5mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 18-25: 75mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 37.5mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)

 

[supra5469]

I would run something similar to this:

Cycle

Sust - 500mg/wk wks1-12
EQ - 500mg/wk wks1-12
Winny - 50mg/ed wks 8-15 (by week 15 the slower esters in the sust will be @ half life)
Liquidex - .5mg/ed wks1-15

Remember your pct as well

If it's your first time with T3, I would drop the dosages to something like this:

Day 1-2: none
Day 3-6: 12.5mcg (one dose in the AM)
Day 7-10: 25mcg (one dose in the morning)
Day 11-13: 37.5mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 14-17: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 18-25: 75mcg (split into three doses, 6 hrs in between)
Day 26-29: 50mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 30-33: 37.5mcg (split into two doses, 8 hrs in between)
Day 34-37: 25mcg (split into two doses, 10hrs in between)
Day 38-45: 12.5mcg(one dose in the AM)

What would you recomend for a PCT? I hate to admit this but I never did any thing after cycles just ended shots. I never got my hands on clomid or HCG and of course If i didn't have it, oh well. I definitely want to do it rught this time.
I see you didn't list the clen above, is that on purpose?
Sorry i've totally hi-jacked this thread

 

[marvelous54]

What would you recomend for a PCT? I hate to admit this but I never did any thing after cycles just ended shots. I never got my hands on clomid or HCG and of course If i didn't have it, oh well. I definitely want to do it rught this time.
I see you didn't list the clen above, is that on purpose?
Sorry i've totally hi-jacked this thread

Keep Nolva on hand throughout cycle in case signs of gyno appear

PCT
Clomid
300mg day 1
100mg/ed for next 13 days
50mg/ed for next 14 days
Continue using the liquidex throughout pct as well

Just use the clen at the rate I mentioned in the previous post. Those clen dosages will be fine for first time. I just wanted to change the T3 for you for the first use. I would also get all my blood work checked pre and post cycle to make sure everything is well.

 

[supra5469]

Keep Nolva on hand throughout cycle in case signs of gyno appear

PCT
Clomid
300mg day 1
100mg/ed for next 13 days
50mg/ed for next 14 days
Continue using the liquidex throughout pct as well

Just use the clen at the rate I mentioned in the previous post. Those clen dosages will be fine for first time. I just wanted to change the T3 for you for the first use. I would also get all my blood work checked pre and post cycle to make sure everything is well.

Just had my blood work done eveything fine... i'll check after also. Thanks for all the info, huge help!!... I just have to stock up now

 

[marvelous54]

Just had my blood work done eveything fine... i'll check after also. Thanks for all the info, huge help!!... I just have to stock up now

No prob bro! Ask anything and research to make sure what I say is right, haha

k to you bro

 

[Slyder190]

I've only used Oxyflux on two separate occassions and didn't really feel much on it.
I got some AG-Guys LiquiClen and T3 on the way. I'm sure this stack will do the trick!

Oxyflux is garbage. I'd have to take like 200mcg to feel even a lil somethin. Spiropent is the shit. Clen will burn the extra fat off and rip up you in proper conjunction.

 

[Mr.X]

Oxyflux is garbage. I'd have to take like 200mcg to feel even a lil somethin. Spiropent is the shit. Clen will burn the extra fat off and rip up you in proper conjunction.

Oxyflux does suck.

Liquid clen all the way. I don't bother with tabs anymore.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

there are plenty of solid tablet manufacturers out there.

If taking clen, it is essential to take taurine, potassium, magnesium and ALCAR.

ALCAR in particular for its cardioprotective benefits.

J Appl Physiol. 2005 Apr;98(4):1379-86. Epub 2004 Dec 10. Related Articles, Links


beta2-Adrenergic receptor stimulation in vivo induces apoptosis in the rat heart and soleus muscle.

Burniston JG, Tan LB, Goldspink DF.

Research Institute for Sports and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores Univ., Webster St., Liverpool, L3 2ET, United Kingdom. [email protected]

High doses of the beta2-adrenergic receptor (AR) agonist clenbuterol can induce necrotic myocyte death in the heart and slow-twitch skeletal muscle of the rat. However, it is not known whether this agent can also induce myocyte apoptosis and whether this would occur at a lower dose than previously reported for myocyte necrosis. Male Wistar rats were given single subcutaneous injections of clenbuterol. Immunohistochemistry was used to detect myocyte-specific apoptosis (detected on cryosections via a caspase 3 antibody and confirmed with annexin V, single-strand DNA labeling, and terminal deoxynucleotidyl transferase-mediated dUTP nick-end labeling). Myocyte apoptosis was first detected at 2 h and peaked 4 h after clenbuterol administration. The lowest dose of clenbuterol to induce cardiomyocyte apoptosis was 1 microg/kg , with peak apoptosis (0.35 +/- 0.05%; P < 0.05) occurring in response to 5 mg/kg. In the soleus, peak apoptosis (5.8 +/- 2%; P < 0.05) was induced by the lower dose of 10 microg/kg. Cardiomyocyte apoptosis was detected throughout the ventricles, atria, and papillary muscles. However, this damage was most abundant in the left ventricular subendocardium at a point 1.6 mm, that is, approximately one-quarter of the way, from the apex toward the base. beta-AR antagonism (involving propranolol, bisoprolol, or ICI 118551) or reserpine was used to show that clenbuterol-induced myocardial apoptosis was mediated through neuromodulation of the sympathetic system and the cardiomyocyte beta1-AR, whereas in the soleus direct stimulation of the myocyte beta2-AR was involved. These data show that, when administered in vivo, beta2-AR stimulation by clenbuterol is detrimental to cardiac and skeletal muscles even at low doses, by inducing apoptosis through beta1- and beta2-AR, respectively.