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clen and heart damage

wilson6

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Myotoxic effects of clenbuterol in the rat heart and soleus muscle

Jatin G. Burniston1, Yeelan Ng1, William A. Clark2, John Colyer3, Lip-Bun Tan4, and David F. Goldspink1
1 Research Institute for Sport and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Liverpool L3 2ET; Departments of 3 Biochemistry and Molecular Biology and 4 Medicine, University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, United Kingdom; and 2 Michael Reese Hospital and Medical Center, Chicago, Illinois 60616-3990

Myocyte-specific necrosis in the heart and soleus muscle of adult male Wistar rats was investigated in response to a single subcutaneous injection of the anabolic 2-adrenergic receptor agonist clenbuterol. Necrosis was immunohistochemically detected by administration of a myosin antibody 1 h before the clenbuterol challenge and quantified by using image analysis. Clenbuterol-induced myocyte necrosis occurred against a background of zero damage in control muscles. In the heart, the clenbuterol-induced necrosis was not uniform, being more abundant in the left subendocardium and peaking 2.4 mm from the apex. After position (2.4 mm from the apex), dose (5 mg clenbuterol/kg), and sampling time (12 h) were optimized, maximum cardiomyocyte necrosis was found to be 1.0 ± 0.2%. In response to the same parameters (i.e., 5 mg of clenbuterol and sampled at 12 h), skeletal myocyte necrosis was 4.4 ± 0.8% in the soleus. These data show significant myocyte-specific necrosis in the heart and skeletal muscle of the rat. Such irreversible damage in the heart suggests that clenbuterol may be damaging to long-term health.

Although the dose stated in this abstract is very high, the lower doses used in the study when corrected for rat-human metabolism (Kleiber's Law) still show damage to skeletal muscle and potentially cardiac muscle in doses commonly used by human physique competitors (100 + ug/d).

W6
 
Spatts, they already HAD reports on ECA's. I have to admit using- and thriving on those. (moderately, though, less than my girlfriend takes- who doesn't even train)
 
Well, first of all, rats are not humans (as witnessed by the dramatic anabolic effect clen also has in rats). Second of all, there is a rather broad range of genetic variation in humans at both the beta 2 adrenoreceptor level and down stream signalling pathways (eg G-protein beta 3 subunit polymorphisms) which all alter an individual's response to beta agonists (and antagonists). The response and balance of beta 1 and beta 2 adrenoreceptors in cardiomyocytes also changes during pathological conditions (such as heart failure). So the bottom line is YMMV.

Having said all of that, I would not touch clenbuterol personally, nor would I recommend it to anyone merely to help burn a small amount of extra fat.
 
BS??? Not sure about that. The same experiment has not been done using ephedrine (or more relevantly ephedrine plus caffeine). So just because that study shows that CLEN can damage rat muscles (and prolly human muscle), it does NOT mean that ECA doesn't!!!
 
MS said:
Well, first of all, rats are not humans (as witnessed by the dramatic anabolic effect clen also has in rats). Second of all, there is a rather broad range of genetic variation in humans at both the beta 2 adrenoreceptor level and down stream signalling pathways (eg G-protein beta 3 subunit polymorphisms) which all alter an individual's response to beta agonists (and antagonists). The response and balance of beta 1 and beta 2 adrenoreceptors in cardiomyocytes also changes during pathological conditions (such as heart failure). So the bottom line is YMMV.

Having said all of that, I would not touch clenbuterol personally, nor would I recommend it to anyone merely to help burn a small amount of extra fat.

Thats why there are Beta-3 specific drugs.

i.e. Octopamine a.k.a Nor-synephrine

Stack that with bromo and voila.

Fonz
 
Or you could just take ephedrine. It may not be as specific for beta-3 receptors, but it works pertty well, and anyway IMHO the relevance of beta-3 receptors to fat-burning in humans is likely to be negligible compared to other animals where octopamine kicks ass. However, if FONZ has some interesting research to share with us showing octopamine to be effective for fat loss in humans, then I'm all ears.
 
Does clenbuterol have any correlation to your hormones or no? Also is it referred to as a thermogenic or a histimatic or something, sorry just looking for the proper word to explain it.

Thanks.
 
Clenbuterol is a beta agonist. Binds to beta receptors in a manner similar to epinephrine. It has a long half-life and that is a problem with both side-effects and receptor (short and long-term) downregulation.

W6
 
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