CKD GURU's and USERS!!!

[Black03SVTCobra]

Dr. If you feel like doing some extra reading pick up the BodyOpus book by Dan Duchaine. Great stuff in my opinion.

 

[dr_skier]

Ok I thinik I may just have this thing down (with the help of you ckd guru's esp. Mak).
So i'm gonna get some keto sticks tonight and see if i'm in keto tomorrow am. My carb up day is next weekend. So next friday I'll eat some fruit before an all-out all body workout with some cardio after if i can, following this i'll have a whey/dextrose shake, some dinner (chicken breast)? then another whey dextrose shake later that night... say 30gwhey/60gdextrose per shake, sat i will carb with my gf making me a nice pankcake breakfast (avoiding fats today) and carb for the day going to low gi carbs that evening stopping my carbup sat night. I'll give it my normal lifting sat and forgo cardio sat too. Sun am back to keto diet with an am sunday cardio and lifting that night and back to keto diet for the week. Sound good?

 

[dr_skier]

Dammit, no keto this am, looks like chicken and eggs only today, some ground beef too... dunno why i'm not in keto... would taking clen yesterday am or yohimbe effect this?

 

[alex2678]

I think it was mentioned in the last thread that niacin consumption can take you out of ketosis and should be limited on a CKD. Consequently, somethimes taking large amounts of B-Vitamins can give a false reading of ketosis even when you're not.

Since you're just starting this type of diet, I wouldn't expect to see ketosis for a few days. A lot of people are slow responders when it comes to shifting their body's primary energy source from carbs to fats. The greater your fat to protein ratio on this diet the more likely you are to get into ketosis faster. The conversion rate of amino acids to glucose is quite high without a high fat intake.

 

[dr_skier]

Thanks alex, i'll hit those efa's today, get some good tuna, ground beef, i just got some whipping cream to scramble my eggs in too.

 

[dr_skier]

oh also, i take my last test shot on apr 7th i think, is keto still ok through my month of pct, seems like a good way to preserve lbm and take some additional fat off too

 

[cyrex]

really you can find out for yourself
cut that stuff out completely the first 2 or 3 days and check your keto stix to see if you are in ketosis yet. then toss some of that stuff in at moderate levels and recheck a few hours after eating it to make sure you are still in ketosis.. if not. . don't eat it again unless during a carb up.

its as simple as that

in dieting there is no black and white. People are different and respond differently to different foods, as such you need to learn what works for you and with a CKD ketostix really help you find out what works and what doesn't.

 

[Makavelli]

Ok I thinik I may just have this thing down (with the help of you ckd guru's esp. Mak).
So i'm gonna get some keto sticks tonight and see if i'm in keto tomorrow am. My carb up day is next weekend. So next friday I'll eat some fruit before an all-out all body workout with some cardio after if i can, following this i'll have a whey/dextrose shake, some dinner (chicken breast)? then another whey dextrose shake later that night... say 30gwhey/60gdextrose per shake, sat i will carb with my gf making me a nice pankcake breakfast (avoiding fats today) and carb for the day going to low gi carbs that evening stopping my carbup sat night. I'll give it my normal lifting sat and forgo cardio sat too. Sun am back to keto diet with an am sunday cardio and lifting that night and back to keto diet for the week. Sound good?

During the first 6 hours of the carb up I would recommend drinking whey and dextrose every hour. Save the chicken for Saturday. After the whey and dextrose switch to whey and rice cakes. Then to pasta or rice. And last onto oatmeal or yams. Damn! You got me giving away my secrets...

And don't do cardio after the depletion workout. The depletion workout is more a pumping session than a training session. Never go to failure. Stop about 3-4 reps before you fail. I train in a circuit fashion while doing a depletion workout.

 

[dr_skier]

Thanks Mak, again, infantie wisdom. Now that you've blown your secret can you shed some light on why some only do a 24h opposed to a 36h carb up, and also why some people go balls out eating everything carbs instead of your way. Is it because the types of carbs and the processing of the body leading to optimal saturation in your muscle cells (w/out gaining fat)?

Also, keto & pct anyone? good bad, ugly?

hehehe one last question, how long do most people run this miserable diet to obtain good results? Do they stop after a carb up or do they do that last carb up slowly as not to "balloon" if you will.

 

[Makavelli]

Thanks Mak, again, infantie wisdom. Now that you've blown your secret can you shed some light on why some only do a 24h opposed to a 36h carb up, and also why some people go balls out eating everything carbs instead of your way. Is it because the types of carbs and the processing of the body leading to optimal saturation in your muscle cells (w/out gaining fat)?

Also, keto & pct anyone? good bad, ugly?

hehehe one last question, how long do most people run this miserable diet to obtain good results? Do they stop after a carb up or do they do that last carb up slowly as not to "balloon" if you will.

Some people only load for 24 hours to speed fat loss. These people aren't as concerned with preserving muscle. They just want to lose fat asap. A 36 hour load will allow one to supercomepensate. This will preserve muscle while dieting. I recommend a clean load because that's how you prevent fat gain and that's how you load your muscles will glycogen in the most efficient manner. CKD and PCT works great. You can end the diet by eating a more normal diet. I say more normal because we as bodybuilders never eat a normal diet.