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factory46

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What do you guys recommend to help combat water retention in the face?

I recently ate a bottle of MHP water pills "Xpel". It was 10 days of 8 pills a day. Worked pretty good from days 5-14, but thats about it.

And YES, I drink a ton of water everyday. 1 gallon down by 2pm daily!! Sodium intake is not really an issue, I eat extremely clean.

Currently: (In week 11)
wk 1-12 500 Test E / week
wk 1-12 800 Primo / week
wk 10-14 Avavar 75mg / day

wk 3-14 AIFM - 1 or 2 sprays a day
wk 3-14 Nolva 25mg eod or as needed
 
I did for a few days, but I started getting aches and pains in my elbows and knees. I fought that with Ibuprofen, which worked great while out of the gym, but my joints still hurt while lifting.

I'm not sure why, but the aifm seems to work against me if i take too much. Winny has given me the same pains in the past.

Any others?
 
macrophage69alpha said:
both

and what dose of AIFM were you using?
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I've varied the DAILY dosage to test myself with it..
1 spray - no prob
2 spray - no prob for 4-5 days, then managable pains
3 sprays - problematic, but not keeping me out of the gym
4 sprays - Bad elbow pains.. even pushups hurt.

So I usually stick to 2 a day, then down to 1 a day if i get achy.

DO I PUT THE "YES" ON MY FACE?????

thanks macro..

f46
 
switch to a (3d)2 and (1d)1 pattern, better to drop before sides.

part of the reason is likely the high dose of anavar (it unclear whether "new" anavar issues like joints and liver vals are due to higher dosing or lack of purity- steroids other than var present as most var tests below 95%, quite a bit in the 80-90% range- (chinese skimping on a complicated and expensive synthesis)......

as far as the yohimburn ES, it is applied directly to the site for local effect.--- so yes, YES goes right on the face.
 
Your cycle is giving me a hard-on! You must be extremely prone to water retention and probably gyno as well if your bloating up off of that (thats not a ridiculous dose of test and primo/var don't aromatize). Try some letro @ 1.25 mgs e.o.d. Up it to e.d. if you need to. Good luck bro!
 
ryan04 said:
Your cycle is giving me a hard-on! You must be extremely prone to water retention and probably gyno as well if your bloating up off of that (thats not a ridiculous dose of test and primo/var don't aromatize). Try some letro @ 1.25 mgs e.o.d. Up it to e.d. if you need to. Good luck bro!
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Glad you like my cycle bro. I gained 22lbs in the first 8 weeks, now i am staying the same as I have adjusted my diet to maintain a lean look. My weight is sticking around 202-206 but i'm still getting stronger each week. The pump from Var sometimes makes lifting a little challenging, not to mention that my arms are getting amazingly veiny.

I'm not sure if I am genetically predisposed to water retention or not; but what i do know is that i am EXTREMELY PICKY. I notice everything, and typically have very pronounced facial features. So, when friends tell me that my body is ripped, but my face is soft, I get a little freaked out. haha, in fact I went straight home, sat on a heating pad (to soothe my pin cushions), and put ice bags under my eyes, haha.

Most of the water seems to be right under my eyes, and a little softness around the jaw line.

I just ordered the "yes", and some Glucorell for something new to try.
 
bilter said:
I used yes on my face.................good stuff but don't get it too close to your eyes
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Stuff works great at keeping bloat down around face. I put it on my neck, under my chin, and on my face up to about my nose. I don't go higher cuz my eyes start watering. But rub it into your cheeks, chin, under chin, etc. and you'' be happy with what you see. :)
 
I've got a ton of comments on how lean my face has gotten in 4 weeks. Thinnest my face has been in 5 or 6 years. YES is working. Of course I am working too. Dieting pretty hard, but I'm experienced enough to know that the stuff is working.
 
Douglas7777 said:
I've got a ton of comments on how lean my face has gotten in 4 weeks. Thinnest my face has been in 5 or 6 years. YES is working. Of course I am working too. Dieting pretty hard, but I'm experienced enough to know that the stuff is working.
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thanks for the update :)
 
What is your BF percentage?



Are you saying AIFM gave you sore elbows?




I have sore elbows, but didn’t think much about it, Have had it on winny and growth,

But now only on test and ancillaries.

Can’t do skull crushers, my basic heavy exercise for triceps.
 
i have had alot of problems with water retention and even stubborn fat that looms around my jaw line and lower chin....

ive been on AIFM since begin of my cycle, YES for last 6 weeks (applied on all my stubborn fat spots, including face), and now on my 3rd day of TRex..

The YES and AIFM has my face lookin as lean as it has in YEARS!!! my diet is as clean as it can get, and combined with this stuff, its AMAZING!!
 
2002busa said:
i have had alot of problems with water retention and even stubborn fat that looms around my jaw line and lower chin....

ive been on AIFM since begin of my cycle, YES for last 6 weeks (applied on all my stubborn fat spots, including face), and now on my 3rd day of TRex..

The YES and AIFM has my face lookin as lean as it has in YEARS!!! my diet is as clean as it can get, and combined with this stuff, its AMAZING!!
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thanks for the update :)
 
2002busa said:
i have had alot of problems with water retention and even stubborn fat that looms around my jaw line and lower chin....

ive been on AIFM since begin of my cycle, YES for last 6 weeks (applied on all my stubborn fat spots, including face), and now on my 3rd day of TRex..

The YES and AIFM has my face lookin as lean as it has in YEARS!!! my diet is as clean as it can get, and combined with this stuff, its AMAZING!!
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hey bro, did you apply the YES everyday, and did you apply it only when doing cardio for the day , or even off days??? I find that I only use my YES when I do cardio , chest or abs, and it seems like I dont use it often enough. I would think using it everyday would be the key, but I dont want to "waste" doses due to off days or non cardio days.
 
GymIntensity said:
hey bro, did you apply the YES everyday, and did you apply it only when doing cardio for the day , or even off days??? I find that I only use my YES when I do cardio , chest or abs, and it seems like I dont use it often enough. I would think using it everyday would be the key, but I dont want to "waste" doses due to off days or non cardio days.
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Yeah, i apply everyday. I do cardio twice to 3x a week, but my lifts are so intense, it ALWAYS feels like cardio.

After tossin in the Trex, have to admit the bf% has dropped!! as of this mornin, im sittin at a clean 11%. Lovin this stuff!! will use it year round!
 
agree with respect to the AIFM, just like any estrogen suppressor, you want to use enough and not too much. if you do notice any kind of dry joints or lethargy, or even mild libido loss... back the dosage down. dont be afraid to adjust your dosage up or down, to find what ideal for YOU.
 
i am having same prob. i am using adex- i am up to 1mg ed now, and i am not greasy feeling like i was. hope bloat goes...

Is YES good on love handles?

EGO!!!!!
 
I have to try this stuff. Right now i'm clean and trying to bulk also as clean as possible but once again i have fat face. :(

^^^^^^^
Let's keep this one going. I don't want to promote products here that i myself do not use but so far AF IMO has obviously proven themselves to be a solid company. So lets see more respones please
 
its kind of funny, facial use was never really considered during its original development (why.. well lots of things are never considered). someone eventually asked about it, then someone tried it and now its probably the most popular use.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
its kind of funny, facial use was never really considered during its original development (why.. well lots of things are never considered). someone eventually asked about it, then someone tried it and now its probably the most popular use.
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Guess I'll have to try that too.... no matter what I do (AIFM, diuretics, proviron, etc.) I still always have that moon-face while "on"

Does anyone break out from putting YES on their face? (not a rash, just breakouts, acne)
 
macrophage69alpha said:
no reports, actually most people report improved skin (reduced acne).
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I can attest to this claim.. My face has really cleared up!

T-Matt
 
I remember when Frackal, me and Highintensity started to use yohimburn for facial reasons back around 2003, people thought we were vain! The times have changed! Nobody likes a moon face, and nobody should, lol. I'm glad the various forms of yohimburn are still going strong. Till this day, after most cycles, I still like to do some 'facial' therapy with it to make sure everything stays nice and lean :)

I can imagine the use of Yohimburn on the face would become more and more important as we age, to avoid that odd face bloat look that men get over time. I'll be using this stuff as long as it's around. And hopefully it's around when I get up there in age, to avoid the 'William Baldwin' look, lol.
 
Yeah, usually when I hit up the tanning bed my face got red and felt burnt, but if I use YES on my face, workout and then tan - my face had more of a darker look rather than a red/burnt feeling. I'm pretty sure its from the Aloe Vera in it...
macrophage69alpha said:
no reports, actually most people report improved skin (reduced acne).
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I recommend that anyone with chubby cheek problems give Yohimburn ES a try. I've been using it on my face for about a week, and the difference is dramatic. Last week I looked like a chipmunk packing acorns for the winter, and now I can actually see my jaw bone, again.
 
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20ss02 said:
I recommend that anyone with chubby cheek problems to give Yohimburn ES a try. I've been using it on my face for about a week, and the difference is dramatic. Last week I looked like a chipmunk packing acorns for the winter, and now I can actually see my jaw bone, again.
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:)
 
I believe that also high carb intake can cause bloating... so for all who have problems with bloat I suggest cut the carbs and keep prot:60%, carb:10-15%, fat:25-30% of your daily cals.
Works for me.
 
jijipuku said:
I believe that also high carb intake can cause bloating... so for all who have problems with bloat I suggest cut the carbs and keep prot:60%, carb:10-15%, fat:25-30% of your daily cals.
Works for me.
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cutting carbs will reduce water retention, however long term this diet is not particularly healthy and will generally lead to greater insulin insensitivity.

its better to increase your insulin sensitivity through exercise (primarily cardio) and supplementation (glucorell, EGCG, Sesapure, chromium-if deficient, higher potassium to sodium intake ratio, proper hydration, etc)


as a note- rebound fat gain from keto/low carb diets vs. low fat diets is significantly higher in several population studies, especially over the long term.
 
yo mac...sorry i havent been able to update lately, i lost my password for a while but finally figured it out again.

you were right bro, YES works!!

I started this thread like 3 months ago and YES has helped me out tremendously.

I shave at night, and YES my face almost every morning. The peppermint scent wakes me right up, and clears my sinuses (another face plumping culprit -sinuses). I got a caffienated under-eye cream from Keihls that really helps close to the eyes where I can't put the YES. My jaw bone pops out like it used to, and I'm very pleased to see it. Oh yeah, and putting a little bit on my chest helps gyno from coming out.

I'm getting started on another cycle now, and I'll be sure to YES everymorning, and AIFM as needed.

THANKS!!
 
factory46 said:
yo mac...sorry i havent been able to update lately, i lost my password for a while but finally figured it out again.

you were right bro, YES works!!

I started this thread like 3 months ago and YES has helped me out tremendously.

I shave at night, and YES my face almost every morning. The peppermint scent wakes me right up, and clears my sinuses (another face plumping culprit -sinuses). I got a caffienated under-eye cream from Keihls that really helps close to the eyes where I can't put the YES. My jaw bone pops out like it used to, and I'm very pleased to see it. Oh yeah, and putting a little bit on my chest helps gyno from coming out.

I'm getting started on another cycle now, and I'll be sure to YES everymorning, and AIFM as needed.

THANKS!!
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thanks for the update :)
 
factory46 said:
What do you guys recommend to help combat water retention in the face?

I recently ate a bottle of MHP water pills "Xpel". It was 10 days of 8 pills a day. Worked pretty good from days 5-14, but thats about it.

And YES, I drink a ton of water everyday. 1 gallon down by 2pm daily!! Sodium intake is not really an issue, I eat extremely clean.

Currently: (In week 11)
wk 1-12 500 Test E / week
wk 1-12 800 Primo / week
wk 10-14 Avavar 75mg / day

wk 3-14 AIFM - 1 or 2 sprays a day
wk 3-14 Nolva 25mg eod or as needed
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i dont know how well AIFM works, but i would lean more towards Letro. Also you say that you eat clean, what does that mean? Can you post your diet and your stats, your training? I found that many times (not all) that when user thinks he has big cheeks due to water retension, its not water but actually fat.
 
sd27bb said:
i dont know how well AIFM works, but i would lean more towards Letro. Also you say that you eat clean, what does that mean? Can you post your diet and your stats, your training? I found that many times (not all) that when user thinks he has big cheeks due to water retension, its not water but actually fat.
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Letro results in an aromatase rebound upon cessation, so use AIFM after you are done with letro..

Letro is definitely stronger and will shut out too much estrogen at certain doses..
 
sd27bb said:
i dont know how well AIFM works, but i would lean more towards Letro. Also you say that you eat clean, what does that mean? Can you post your diet and your stats, your training? I found that many times (not all) that when user thinks he has big cheeks due to water retension, its not water but actually fat.
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might want to read his update (posted just above your post).


AIFM works very well, its not as strong as letro and has a different suppression profile (which IMO is usually a good thing). Generally reccomend AIFM or AROMASIN during cycle with letrozole on hand, if you find you need high level suppression.
 
Spring time is just around the corner where I am at. Soon the refreshing scent of peppermint on crack will awaken me every morning when I rub yohimburn on my face. :p

Decabol even at 250mgs is causing facial bloat I just didn't want. Blah. 5 more weeks and then I'm going to give my face the yohimburn treatment. Which would you recommend this time around Macro, df or yes? I've used both with success, but which to really knock the bloat out quick.
 
C3bodybuilding said:
Spring time is just around the corner where I am at. Soon the refreshing scent of peppermint on crack will awaken me every morning when I rub yohimburn on my face. :p

Decabol even at 250mgs is causing facial bloat I just didn't want. Blah. 5 more weeks and then I'm going to give my face the yohimburn treatment. Which would you recommend this time around Macro, df or yes? I've used both with success, but which to really knock the bloat out quick.
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I'm not Macro, but my vote is for ES. I'm on ~600mg/week of Test E and my face was bloated badly. 2 weeks on ES has made a very big difference.

For those who questioned AIFM - I can't say enough good things about the product. I used Arimidex back in the day. I've also used Aromasin and Letro. For me, Letro is too extreme. Over suppression kills my sex drive. I have better results with AIFM than aromasin, and there is no comparison to Arimidex (which didn't work at all for me).
 
SuperOne said:
Mac, if im not doing any cario right now, just dieting, will i still lose any face fat by applying YES?
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I'm still not Mac.....but the answer is yes. I started using YES before adding cardio to my routine and I noticed a difference. I was applying it in the morning before leaving for work. For best results, you need to be in a caloric deficit. Are you weight lifting? If so, apply it about 30 minutes before you lift.
 
Thanks 20ss02, no im not lifting any weight at the moment, but will continue very soon. I might start doing 45 mins of cardio on an empty stomach asap, but it says to apply 30 minutes before cadio. How do i do this as i like to start running 15 minutes after waking up, and do 45 minutes. I dont like to go more than 1 hour without eating after waking up.


Thx.
 
SuperOne said:
How do i do this as i like to start running 15 minutes after waking up, and do 45 minutes.
Thx.
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this is fine. just wash face with a cloth then slap on your yohimburn, wait 15 minutes and go. 15 minutes is fine, even 10 or even just before. 20-30 minutes is reccomended but not essential.
 
Mac, thanks for the answer.

I thought i asked you this question before but i dont know what thread you answered it in.

How long does YES have to stay on your face before washing it off? because i shower after my monring cardio and morning meal.


Also, can YES cause in increase in facial water retention before i start to lose fat and water form the face? Thx!
 
Thx Mac.

Is it safe to apply YES to the whole body? Like 2 squirts on the face, 1 on each pec, 2 on each ass cheek, 2 on each thigh, and 2 on abs? How would i do this because i want to speed up the fat loss in all these areas, but i definetly want to apply 2-3 pumps everyday to my face for the next 6 months to really get it lean.

Thx.
 
9 pumps is on the high end for dosing (there is some systemic uptake) though not unreasonable or uncommon, would start with 6 to make sure that is within your "tolerance/enjoyment" range, then work up to more. though a number people use that much.
 
factory46 said:
I did for a few days, but I started getting aches and pains in my elbows and knees. I fought that with Ibuprofen, which worked great while out of the gym, but my joints still hurt while lifting.

I'm not sure why, but the aifm seems to work against me if i take too much. Winny has given me the same pains in the past.

Any others?
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U Shouldn't take ibuprofen while liftin ... Here the study that explains why

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/c...full/282/3/E551
 
macrophage69alpha said:
updates?
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Hey macro,

I promised to post an update on my experience with YES. Just for the record, I was the biggest skeptic on any product that claimed to deliver localized fat loss. I have used YES for 2 weeks now, only on my cheeks and I am now officially a convert. Your product fucking rocks, in two weeks it blasted off the fat that i could never get wrid of before, i never had any problems droping down below 5% BF but the fat on the cheeks would just not go away, application of YES before cardio and weights workouts blasted the fat off my cheeks.

YES is an awesome product
 
sd27bb said:
Hey macro,

I promised to post an update on my experience with YES. Just for the record, I was the biggest skeptic on any product that claimed to deliver localized fat loss. I have used YES for 2 weeks now, only on my cheeks and I am now officially a convert. Your product fucking rocks, in two weeks it blasted off the fat that i could never get wrid of before, i never had any problems droping down below 5% BF but the fat on the cheeks would just not go away, application of YES before cardio and weights workouts blasted the fat off my cheeks.

YES is an awesome product
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thanks for the update.
 
aromatase inhibitors, like aromasin or AIFM (generally reccomend against arimidex because for many its suppression profile lacks potency- great suppressor of estrone, poor suppresor of estradiol) will decrease water retention in the face. They wont do much for fat loss, at least not in the short term.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
cutting carbs will reduce water retention, however long term this diet is not particularly healthy and will generally lead to greater insulin insensitivity.

its better to increase your insulin sensitivity through exercise (primarily cardio) and supplementation (glucorell, EGCG, Sesapure, chromium-if deficient, higher potassium to sodium intake ratio, proper hydration, etc)


as a note- rebound fat gain from keto/low carb diets vs. low fat diets is significantly higher in several population studies, especially over the long term.
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Mac, what do you think about the fact that reducing carbs in a diet(keto), it makes fat more insulin resistant and muscle more insulin sensitive, meaning it's less possbible to gain fat, the muscles being the primary target of the carbs intake?
 
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