Check my first cycle please!

[BigLP]

Hey all! Just signed up for this forum, but have been studying AAS and reading on this forum and others for about 5 years consistently. My stats are: I am 21 (yes young i know but feel I am much more experienced and aware than most 21 year olds), weight 197, 14% BF.

My cycle is alittle messed up and was wondering what peoples opinions are on if I should be doing anything differently, since it seems like a huge mess to me. I decided to run the test about halfway through my DS cycle. It looks like this:

1-4 Halo/Epi, 50mg, 30mg
5-12 T400, 500mg/wk
13-15 Test Prop, 500mg/wk
16-19 Nolva 40/40/20/20

Can i get some feedback please on anything they see that can be improved? I did a cycle 3 years ago of S-drol, Epi, tren clone, and halo over like 8 weeks (and got completely shutdown). Oh I am on week 7 of that current cycle and had blood work on week 5 and everything came back normal.

 

[dylangemelli]

this is a complete mess from top to bottom and all that is going to happen is your going to cause yourself more and more problems... you ran a cycle at 18? you realize by running cycles this early when you want to run them later when its harder to make gains its not going to be as effective... you also realize your messing your test right now when you should be partying and fucking girls right? good luck with that when you suppress the shit out of yourself... your making a mistake and your layout is really bad as it is...

 

[BigLP]

Anyone have any actual advice instead of feeling like boosting their own ego? I acknowledge and understand I made a mistake to run this stuff especially with the way I ran it right after the DS for a month already and everything. I am not saying it was the smartest thing to do. From here on out does anyone else** (preferably) have anything positive to help me out?

 

[Northup]

Dylan knows his shit. But it is your choice if you run gear or not. I suggest a simple cycle. Test 500mg a week split into to injections and make sure u have a good pct to get the boys back online. Run 1 compound to see how your body reacts


Pimping is easy

 

[dylangemelli]

boost ego?? lol i don't need to boost my ego with some little kid... im trying to help you out here... take it or leave it... you want to ruin your life, go for it... if your going to do that, don't run the cycle layout you have because its a mess...

 

[nickb86]

Your too young id wait afew years til your 24/25 but youve already cycled so here goes, your cycle is a mess buddy youd be much happier with just the test prop you will recover better and enjoy everything more. Can always step it up next time. Dylan was just tryong to help you buddy and he is right your heading for disaster. Food and training are whats gonna count not running lots of compounds keep it simple and get what you can and then add things. il lay out your cycle for you and you can decide for yoursef.
1-8 test prop 100-150mg eod
1-8 aromasin 12.5mg eod
1-8 hcgenerate
PCT.
unleashed/postcycle
Clomid 25/25/25/25
forma stanzol
Daa powder.
run this and youll be good, your current cycle is really bad bud and you end up gaining less i can assure you if over complicate and dont take the right precautions.

 

[stevesmi]

you are missing an AI during cycle

also you definately need to utilize hcg as a kickstart to any pct. your pct of nolva only i don't like, but lets say you decide to stick what that its still not enough of a pct to help rebound. i would research a better pct than that. do some more reading on here on a modern pct. you've had 3 years to fix what you did wrong the first time and you have not learned anything since then.

also whats the point of running a long estered test then switching to prop? by the time you make the swich your test will be peaking in your body so no point in doing more injections

 

[stevesmi]

Your too young id wait afew years til your 24/25 but youve already cycled so here goes, your cycle is a mess buddy youd be much happier with just the test prop you will recover better and enjoy everything more. Can always step it up next time. Dylan was just tryong to help you buddy and he is right your heading for disaster. Food and training are whats gonna count not running lots of compounds keep it simple and get what you can and then add things. il lay out your cycle for you and you can decide for yoursef.
1-8 test prop 100-150mg eod
1-8 aromasin 12.5mg eod
1-8 hcgenerate
PCT.
unleashed/postcycle
Clomid 25/25/25/25
forma stanzol
Daa powder.
run this and youll be good, your current cycle is really bad bud and you end up gaining less i can assure you if over complicate and dont take the right precautions.

yep this will work. pretty simple and laid out easy .. i would add hcg as a kickstart to this cycle as well with hcgenerate they are gold

to the thread starter: i would even suggest a short 4 week oral + prop cycle then doing what this poster suggests to see how you do with that

 

[callmejay]

Have you gotten bloodwork a couple months after being off cycle? If you're mid cycle right now, how long do you plan to wait until starting your next cycle.
They are right, this cycle is a mess. Just run epi and if you want halo from the start with test prop for 6-8 weeks.

Your pct of nolva only is very poor imo. End up doing more harm than good. Research the reasons why.

You wanted advice and people are giving it to you. Don't be disrespectful just because its not what you want to hear. Dylan and the other members simply want to see you succeed and stay healthy.

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[callmejay]

yep this will work. pretty simple and laid out easy .. i would add hcg as a kickstart to this cycle as well with hcgenerate they are gold

to the thread starter: i would even suggest a short 4 week oral + prop cycle then doing what this poster suggests to see how you do with that

Hcg as a kickstart? Meaning run it from the first shot until pct?

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[burnthiscorpse]

God fucking dammit.....holy shit I'm tired of seeing all these fucking Nolva only PCT's. Why dont you forget this thread and go fucking read about nolvadex and exactly what its used for and what kind of side effects it has especially and how it will do SHIT to help you recover after a cycle.

If you actually knew what Nolva was supposed to be used for and the what it really does and what the sides were and how the process PCT is actually supposed to work you wouldnt even be considering Nolvashit.

As for Dylan....he's one of the most helpful fuckers on here. Alot more patient and tollerant that some of us here. So I would check my attitude Mr two posts if some people give you shit about running AAS too young or having a shit PCT or whatever....theres been more than enough of this kind of thing here lately.

I think you have some reading to do.

 

[RADAR]

God fucking dammit.....holy shit I'm tired of seeing all these fucking Nolva only PCT's. Why dont you forget this thread and go fucking read about nolvadex and exactly what its used for and what kind of side effects it has especially and how it will do SHIT to help you recover after a cycle.

If you actually knew what Nolva was supposed to be used for and the what it really does and what the sides were and how the process PCT is actually supposed to work you wouldnt even be considering Nolvashit.

As for Dylan....he's one of the most helpful fuckers on here. Alot more patient and tollerant that some of us here. So I would check my attitude Mr two posts if some people give you shit about running AAS too young or having a shit PCT or whatever....theres been more than enough of this kind of thing here lately.

I think you have some reading to do.

I agree, you have alot more reading to do, I also suggest waiting until your at least 24 before starting a cycle, let your body finish maturing on it's own, you have plenty of natural test in your system right now, switch training routines every few months keep the muscles guessing so they do not become accustomed to the same basic movements eat small servings every 2-3 hrs with some protein in each i guarantee you will grow.

 

[stevesmi]

Hcg as a kickstart? Meaning run it from the first shot until pct?

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no a kickstart to pct.

not a kickstart to a cycle.

hcg is will help you push a car up a hill, then by the time pct is there you will hopefully be going downhill .. take it while esters are clearing, then run pct

 

[stevesmi]

its all good people.. this guy got great advice now up to him to utilize it..

you came to the right place here for no nonsense advice. dylan and the guys on here truely want to help you do things right, it might seem we are being tough with you but too many guys fuck themselves up and we don't want you to go down that route.

 

[BigLP]

Like I said... I made a mistake by choosing to run the test consecutively to the DS cycle with no pct, time off etc. I understand that. I wasnt looking for someone to come in and say I need to wait because thats not helpful at this point. I am on week 3 of the T400 already. Geez, I figured this was the most educated forum that would not get all emotional and instead give constructive criticism. The reason to switch to a short ester test is so that you can have consistent blood levels up until PCT rather than wait 2 weeks for levels to go all the way down. I forgot to add.. I also have forma stanzol for PCT and was considering DAA. Besides the bad idea of running the Hdrol/epi before the test what other mistakes were there? I mean going from Test E to Test Prop is not a "mistake" in my eyes. I am actually surprised about hearing Nolva bad for PCT compared to clomid... However many things I read on this forum are contradictory to most other forums. Seems like most people on the internet just regurgitate what they read and spew it as knowledge. Just trying to see what exactly is wrong here so that I can make improvements for next time.

**Also I sincerely appreciate anyone who took the time to give me positive information/ feedback so that I can fix my mistakes for next time and learn from this experience**

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Nolva bad for PCT.... Seems like most people on the internet just regurgitate what they read and spew it as knowledge.

People are fucking idiots. No one does any real research. Hey , Joe jerk off used clomid/nolva so I will too. Thats all that goes on everywhere.


The only reason anyone got emotional about anything is because there has been a flood of new people here lately ....one right after another....tren for a first cycle, Nolva for PCT, Nolva Mixed with tren, Nolva mixed with deca, Clen and tren, Clen and T3, Meth for fat burning, 1000mg + of AAS for a first cycle. Sheer stupidity over and over. So forgive some of us if we are a little testy.

Nolvadex blocks ALL estrogen. You do not want this. Ever. On cycle or off. Nolvadex among other nice sides can cause blood clots in the legs and/or lungs. AAS increases blood volume. Some AAS thickens the blood. Does that sound like a good combo? Best case you feel like shit and fuck your hormone balance up killing too much estro. Worst case you fucking Die.

 

[BigLP]

Thanks for the explanation of nolva. Sorry to be an active contributor to the recent surge of imbeciles. Ill try my best not to fall into that category much longer.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Thanks for the explanation of nolva. Sorry to be an active contributor to the recent surge of imbeciles. Ill try my best not to fall into that category much longer.

I'm sure you didnt join EF and say hey let me get some people fired up. Its not your fault. Even those of us that freak out a little are more than willing to help. We like to see people try and help themselves too.
Theres alot of issues with nolva when people try and use it associated with 19nor steroids too. You should read up on it.

 

[BigLP]

where can i go to find reliable information about in depth steroid/pct articles and their effects in the body? Been reading for 5 years literally every day and havent come across anything that consistently has scientifically based research or studies. Everything is either on a forum or is promoting something...

 

[training700]

this is a complete mess from top to bottom and all that is going to happen is your going to cause yourself more and more problems... you ran a cycle at 18? you realize by running cycles this early when you want to run them later when its harder to make gains its not going to be as effective... you also realize your messing your test right now when you should be partying and fucking girls right? good luck with that when you suppress the shit out of yourself... your making a mistake and your layout is really bad as it is...

Really? I have a serious problem with part of your advice man.. why should he be partying? Come on he should be training hard and eating well and avoiding that crap if he is serious about training & making gains.

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[stevesmi]

Like I said... I made a mistake by choosing to run the test consecutively to the DS cycle with no pct, time off etc. I understand that. I wasnt looking for someone to come in and say I need to wait because thats not helpful at this point. I am on week 3 of the T400 already. Geez, I figured this was the most educated forum that would not get all emotional and instead give constructive criticism. The reason to switch to a short ester test is so that you can have consistent blood levels up until PCT rather than wait 2 weeks for levels to go all the way down. I forgot to add.. I also have forma stanzol for PCT and was considering DAA. Besides the bad idea of running the Hdrol/epi before the test what other mistakes were there? I mean going from Test E to Test Prop is not a "mistake" in my eyes. I am actually surprised about hearing Nolva bad for PCT compared to clomid... However many things I read on this forum are contradictory to most other forums. Seems like most people on the internet just regurgitate what they read and spew it as knowledge. Just trying to see what exactly is wrong here so that I can make improvements for next time.

**Also I sincerely appreciate anyone who took the time to give me positive information/ feedback so that I can fix my mistakes for next time and learn from this experience**

what i bolded makes no sense to me. maybe I am just tired today though

 

[burnthiscorpse]

where can i go to find reliable information about in depth steroid/pct articles and their effects in the body? Been reading for 5 years literally every day and havent come across anything that consistently has scientifically based research or studies. Everything is either on a forum or is promoting something...

Dude....this is the place. Search through the first 20 pages. Theres a pct forum. Use the search engine here.

 

[BigLP]

what i bolded makes no sense to me. maybe I am just tired today though

If you wait 2 weeks after Test E to start pct and it peaks at day 2, that is 12 days for test to be on the decline. If you finish with Prop, you wait 1-2 days so there is less time of for hormone fluctuation before starting pct. Please anyone correct me if i am not accurate.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

If you wait 2 weeks after Test E to start pct and it peaks at day 2, that is 12 days for test to be on the decline. If you finish with Prop, you wait 1-2 days so there is less time of for hormone fluctuation before starting pct. Please anyone correct me if i am not accurate.

Look up half lives of different test esters bro. It's interesting reading and will shed a lot of light on the subject.

I'm cruising on 150mg test C. It takes 10-11 days if I forget a pin for me to actually feel a drop off and realize oh shit I missed a pin. 2 weeks is the proper time for Cyp or Enathate to clear before pct. Sustanon imho should be 3 weeks. But two is fine there too. And test p as you said is 3 days. Even 4 is ok.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

If you wait 2 weeks after Test E to start pct and it peaks at day 2, that is 12 days for test to be on the decline. If you finish with Prop, you wait 1-2 days so there is less time of for hormone fluctuation before starting pct. Please anyone correct me if i am not accurate.

The amount of hormone fluctuation your getting at is minimal enough that it doesn't matter. It's nothing your really going to notice. Especially if you were running unleashed. Your thinking in depth and detail here bro but your over thinking it for the most part. <<<< Which is good though. I ocd about a lot of AAS related shit too.

 

[BigLP]

And one more thing that I have asked other boards with no response... What realistically will be the effect of running the low dose hdrol/epi before first pin of test? It seems as if people run it in conjunction as a kick start occasionally however this clearly is a different scenario. Should I expect less results on the test? Obviously no definite answer, however looking for educated opinions/guesses. Thanks again.

 

[stevesmi]

where can i go to find reliable information about in depth steroid/pct articles and their effects in the body? Been reading for 5 years literally every day and havent come across anything that consistently has scientifically based research or studies. Everything is either on a forum or is promoting something...

if you want studies then you need to find a new hobby. there is no such thing as studies when it comes to fitness or AAS. why? cause with fitness we all are different so no specific diet or workout is gonna work for everyone.. its up to YOU to learn from others mistakes and experiences and find out what works for YOU through trial and error. that can take years

with AAS since it is illegal you won't find studies either. again gotta learn from others ... for example most people on here think nolva sucks.. because we tried it and it made us feel like shit and did not help us recover.. so we will tell you not to use it. a few said they liked it (which i find hard to believe) but that is their experience, but those people are rare and almost everytime they are either on HRT or they never cycle off

 

[stevesmi]

If you wait 2 weeks after Test E to start pct and it peaks at day 2, that is 12 days for test to be on the decline. If you finish with Prop, you wait 1-2 days so there is less time of for hormone fluctuation before starting pct. Please anyone correct me if i am not accurate.

you have half lives and the time esters are in the body confused.

once you build up test E in the body it will take 4-5 weeks for it to completely be out of your system to where your body will begin to recover.. even a small trace of test leftover will keep your body suppressed.

even prop will take a couple weeks to fully clear.

 

[stevesmi]

And one more thing that I have asked other boards with no response... What realistically will be the effect of running the low dose hdrol/epi before first pin of test? It seems as if people run it in conjunction as a kick start occasionally however this clearly is a different scenario. Should I expect less results on the test? Obviously no definite answer, however looking for educated opinions/guesses. Thanks again.

you run an oral as a kickstart to tset E because it takes a long estered test a few weeks to reach peak levels in the body.. it has to build up.. each injection it will build up more and more until you reach a peak level then it levels off. really its simple if you grab a pencil and paper and map out each injection and the half lives involved.. the previous injections you made add to the next injection you make and so on. the previous injections drop off slowly.. once you stop injecting they slowly drop off so tapering down isn't necessary.. they taper off on their own

orals typically reach peak levels after a week cause of the very short active lives

all AAS though start working hours after injection or when swallowed, but what I am referring to is when they reach peak levels which is totally different.