Case Study showing site injections cause localized muscle growth

[mvmaxx]

Well, I proved to myself that site injections do in fact cause localized muscle growth. At least they do for me.

I'm in the middle of a prop/tren/winny cycle (haven't started the winny yet) and have been hitting glutes, delts, quads and tris. I really like doing delts as it seems to make them temporarily bigger plus the Spectro Tren is totally painless. But this is what I've noticed. My right shoulder has been giving me problems and I've had to lay off flat bench. Incline and military press is fine but flat bench just kills me. I found that injecting into my right delt made the pain that much worse. So I stopped injecting into my right delt after about the first week. Now 6 weeks later I was checking out my shoulders, which have always been the exact same size, and noticed that my left delt is significantly bigger than my right. This was also about a week after injecting it so it's not like there is any oil in it. The medial delt is bigger and more pronounced than it's counterpart on the right side.

I guess I'll have to start hitting my right one again regardless of the pain. Once I start the winny I plan on hitting only the tris and rotating between the three heads on each arm. Grow tri's grow!!

 

[Mike P.T.]

LOL I was actually thinkging, "What? They actually did a study on this?" I should have known coming from you bro. hehehehe

Yes I too believe site injections work. On me at least as well. Winny produced the best results while fina came second. Winny by far I still believed was superior.

 

[liquidmuscle]

i noticed my delts grew like a mofo last cycle, i am a month out of cycle now and when i go to the gym wearing a wife beater the ppl there say damn liquid your delts are huuuuuuuuge i just smile and say that i was doing alot of boxing drills to get em bigger, thank you fina/tren/winny

 

[steveo]

I have to disagree on localized muscle growth do to site injection. There has been no scientific evidence showing this possible, however what you are probably experiencing is swelling of the muscle do to site injection, but the swelling will come down when you stop spot injecting. Try it out and you will see. Stop hitting your shoulder and watch it go back down to normal.

 

[mvmaxx]

I have to disagree on localized muscle growth do to site injection. There has been no scientific evidence showing this possible, however what you are probably experiencing is swelling of the muscle do to site injection, but the swelling will come down when you stop spot injecting. Try it out and you will see. Stop hitting your shoulder and watch it go back down to normal.

I hear what you're saying and that's what I would have believed at first as well. But it's been well over a week now and my left delt, the bigger one, is rock hard and bigger than the right. There's no swelling at all. When I first hit it up it swells up for about 3 days but I know what the swelling feels like and right now my left delt has no swelling.

It's tough to explain. It's not like it's bigger due to swelling. It's just plain bigger. For example, my three heads disappear into one after injecting due to the swelling. However right now my left delt has way more separation in the three heads than my right.

 

[alien amp pharm]

If you ask my lower body, it'll tell you that site injections don't work. I cannot get my legs to grow! Actually last cycle I injected into entirely Quads and Glutes just for this reason. I did notice a huge increase in size, although not as huge as I would've liked.

 

[mvmaxx]

i noticed my delts grew like a mofo last cycle, i am a month out of cycle now and when i go to the gym wearing a wife beater the ppl there say damn liquid your delts are huuuuuuuuge i just smile and say that i was doing alot of boxing drills to get em bigger, thank you fina/tren/winny

Great post. My tri's are the next experiment. 6 weeks of winny rotating between the 3 heads of each tri.

 

[SuKY_GeNeTiCs]

good post.

I don't care if it works or not, but site injecting Enanthate into my pecs right now and they are swollen and seem to recover faster. Maybe it is all in my head but it is easier than shooting into my glutes, so what the heck, nothing to lose.

SuKY

 

[RoNiN]

I have to disagree on localized muscle growth do to site injection. There has been no scientific evidence showing this possible, however what you are probably experiencing is swelling of the muscle do to site injection, but the swelling will come down when you stop spot injecting. Try it out and you will see. Stop hitting your shoulder and watch it go back down to normal.

No scientific evidence eh? Well why don't you tell that to the face of Marcu Ruhl , Flex Wheeler , Ernie Talyor , Nasser El Sombaty or Shaun Davis who have all used localized site injections using AS and have gained size from it.

They will tell you themself what they use for their shoulders and arms and you will see that it's for real. Now mind you they aren't experts in the art of injections so some of them may have over did it and ended up with nasty scar tissue or dis-proportional looking muscles. But despite that the fact remains there arms and shoulders are huge after locallized injections even after the "swollen period" so there is definatly something under their skin and it isn't oil son.

There are lots of things that have had no concrete scientific evidence that work despite what some medical community tells you. Have we forgotten that for the longest time STEROIDS had no scientific evidence that it built muscle and produced and positive anabolic effect on the body?

F#!* the doctors , bodybuilding has been 20yrs ahead of the medical community and all pro sports since the 60s. You really think THEY are going to tell us anything that we haven't already tried. WE ARE THE F%*!ING guinea pigs man!!! Wake up.

 

[Realgains]

Site injections cause a tempory increase in muscle size due to inflamation IMHO. Think about this one bro's....if site injections did work then we would all have HUGE asses.

RG

 

[hhajdo]

This study shows that a glute injection caused a higher plasma level of nandrolone than a delt injection.

Pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of nandrolone esters in oil vehicle: effects of ester, injection site and injection volume.

Minto CF, Howe C, Wishart S, Conway AJ, Handelsman DJ.

Department of Anaesthesia and Pain Management, Royal North Shore Hospital, University of Sydney, Australia.

We studied healthy men who underwent blood sampling for plasma nandrolone, testosterone and inhibin measurements before and for 32 days after a single i.m. injection of 100 mg of nandrolone ester in arachis oil. Twenty-three men were randomized into groups receiving nandrolone phenylpropionate (group 1, n = 7) or nandrolone decanoate (group 2, n = 6) injected into the gluteal muscle in 4 ml of arachis oil vehicle or nandrolone decanoate in 1 ml of arachis oil vehicle injected into either the gluteal (group 3, n = 5) or deltoid (group 4, n = 5) muscles. Plasma nandrolone, testosterone and inhibin concentrations were analyzed by a mixed-effects indirect response model. Plasma nandrolone concentrations were influenced (P < .001) by different esters and injection sites, with higher and earlier peaks with the phenylpropionate ester, compared with the decanoate ester. After nandrolone decanoate injection, the highest bioavailability and peak nandrolone levels were observed with the 1-ml gluteal injection. Plasma testosterone concentrations were also influenced (P < .001) by the ester and injection site, with the most rapid, but briefest, suppression being due to the phenylpropionate ester, whereas the most sustained suppression was achieved with the 1-ml gluteal injection. Plasma inhibin concentrations were also significantly influenced by injection volume and site, with the lowest nadir occurring after the nandrolone decanoate 1-ml gluteal injection. Thus, the bioavailability and physiological effects of a nandrolone ester in an oil vehicle are greatest when the ester is injected in a small (1 ml vs. 4 ml) volume and into the gluteal vs. deltoid muscle. We conclude that the side-chain ester and the injection site and volume influence the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of nandrolone esters in an oil vehicle in men.

 

[Realgains]

This study shows that a glute injection caused a higher plasma level of nandrolone than a delt injection.

Pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of nandrolone esters in oil vehicle: effects of ester, injection site and injection volume.

Minto CF, Howe C, Wishart S, Conway AJ, Handelsman DJ.

Department of Anaesthesia and Pain Management, Royal North Shore Hospital, University of Sydney, Australia.

We studied healthy men who underwent blood sampling for plasma nandrolone, testosterone and inhibin measurements before and for 32 days after a single i.m. injection of 100 mg of nandrolone ester in arachis oil. Twenty-three men were randomized into groups receiving nandrolone phenylpropionate (group 1, n = 7) or nandrolone decanoate (group 2, n = 6) injected into the gluteal muscle in 4 ml of arachis oil vehicle or nandrolone decanoate in 1 ml of arachis oil vehicle injected into either the gluteal (group 3, n = 5) or deltoid (group 4, n = 5) muscles. Plasma nandrolone, testosterone and inhibin concentrations were analyzed by a mixed-effects indirect response model. Plasma nandrolone concentrations were influenced (P < .001) by different esters and injection sites, with higher and earlier peaks with the phenylpropionate ester, compared with the decanoate ester. After nandrolone decanoate injection, the highest bioavailability and peak nandrolone levels were observed with the 1-ml gluteal injection. Plasma testosterone concentrations were also influenced (P < .001) by the ester and injection site, with the most rapid, but briefest, suppression being due to the phenylpropionate ester, whereas the most sustained suppression was achieved with the 1-ml gluteal injection. Plasma inhibin concentrations were also significantly influenced by injection volume and site, with the lowest nadir occurring after the nandrolone decanoate 1-ml gluteal injection. Thus, the bioavailability and physiological effects of a nandrolone ester in an oil vehicle are greatest when the ester is injected in a small (1 ml vs. 4 ml) volume and into the gluteal vs. deltoid muscle. We conclude that the side-chain ester and the injection site and volume influence the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of nandrolone esters in an oil vehicle in men.

Good info here

RG

 

[Skullfucked]

If this were the case then my ass would be the size of the moon.
The 'growth' is from inflamation initially and then fascial stretching (same effect almost like synthol).
Its a subjective thing but there isnt any TRUE muscle growth.

 

[shifti]

ive been on fina for 14 weeks and ive been doing ed injections. 75% of those were in my biceps. My biceps are starting to get a peak, they didnt have before and they are significantly bigger. They look different, a lot better. I know for a fact sit injects make the muscle bigger, but imo it only works for small muscles.

 

[Sigmund Roid]

Site injections cause a tempory increase in muscle size due to inflamation IMHO. Think about this one bro's....if site injections did work then we would all have HUGE asses.

RG

I only inject in the glutes, and my ass is so huge, it is disproportional to the rest of my body.

 

[Spectre]

Could the irratation and/or localized swelling increase bloodflow to the muscle and with that bring increased nutrients. More nutrients = faster and more complete healing from a workout?

I remember of AF a thread about injecting an iratent into muscles or joints to increase bloodflow for healing.

 

[Radical Ice]

So much great info here... I like Ronin's perspective -- screw the studies. I've read so many over the last few weeks on low intensity cardio vs sprinting that I get nauseated just thinking about it. For every study supporting one thing, there's another study knocking it down... It's damned frustrating when you go into a cycle or any other endeavor with uncertainty.
What's great about these boards is we get to hear from people who have actually experienced these events and have carried out these "studies" on themselves. No biased reporters here.
Hell, I don't need a study to tell me that getting hit on the side of the head with a baseball will make me see double. It happened to me. I saw double for about 10 seconds. Just because there may not be a study to support that statement doesn't make it any less true... Scientists say you don't dream in color, but I swear I do.
I'd believe the collective opinions and experiences of you guys before I believe some supplement manufacturer or lab experiment with rats or that boron increases lean body mass based on a study on the effects of boron with pregnant female tennis players between the ages of 12-15...
I respect and appreciate SuKY_GeNeTiCs when he says his delts are responding as well as what so many others have stated. Maybe the fascia is expanding. Whatever the reason, it seems to be working, and the only decision is to decide who we want to believe and make the best decision we can based on the information we have chosen to believe...

 

[Radical Ice]

BTW, an excellent site injection info at
http://www.spotinjections.com/index2.htm

 

[mvmaxx]

If this were the case then my ass would be the size of the moon.
The 'growth' is from inflamation initially and then fascial stretching (same effect almost like synthol).
Its a subjective thing but there isnt any TRUE muscle growth.

Ok, for the moment let's go on the premise that site injection doesn't cause any actual muscle "growth". I may agree with you here. However, if it does at least cause fascial stretching then wouldn't that have a similar effect as Synthol in that the muscle is stretched bigger than it's ever been, therefore causing an increased limit of size and that muscle can eventually maintain that size due to muscle memory.

We are basically pumping up and stretching the muscles beyond their previous limits thus making them bigger. We then have a new limit which can be achieved via muscle memory or continued use of site injections.

And to all the "my ass would be huge" responses, I don't think it would apply as much to such a large muscle group as no "stretching" occurs. The glutes can take in 3cc's no problem with no visual difference. I put in 3cc's into my delts and they are twice the size they used to be.

This is turning out to be a good debate. Let's keep it going.

 

[drveejay11]

Ok, for the moment let's go on the premise that site injection doesn't cause any actual muscle "growth". I may agree with you here. However, if it does at least cause fascial stretching then wouldn't that have a similar effect as Synthol in that the muscle is stretched bigger than it's ever been, therefore causing an increased limit of size and that muscle can eventually maintain that size due to muscle memory.

We are basically pumping up and stretching the muscles beyond their previous limits thus making them bigger. We then have a new limit which can be achieved via muscle memory or continued use of site injections.

And to all the "my ass would be huge" responses, I don't think it would apply as much to such a large muscle group as no "stretching" occurs. The glutes can take in 3cc's no problem with no visual difference. I put in 3cc's into my delts and they are twice the size they used to be.

This is turning out to be a good debate. Let's keep it going.

Makes sense to me MV!

On a personal note though MV: I did the same on my last cycle (delts, tri's, quads, and glutes). I definitely noticed localized growth with the delt shots but unfortunately, my tri's and quads weren't as positively effected?!?

Couldn't tell if my butt grew

 

[mvmaxx]

Radical Ice - great post.

Waiting on the others to refute.

 

[mvmaxx]

Damn this board moves too fast.