Can Proviron CAUSE gyno?

[Krazykat]

Yes Proviron reduces SHBG BUT....

SHBG has a lower affinity for estrogen than testosterone.
Now since Proviron binds to SHBG so well, it sorts of pushes out the hormones that SHBG is holding.

Since SHBG has a lower affinity for estrogen than testosterone it has gives up the estrogen easier.

This argument is discussed here

http://www.endotext.org/male/male14/male14.htm

Secondly the testosterone that is released may well become so excessive it aromatizes thus increasing estrogen.

Sure with some people the overall effect may be good, after all some people can take say d-bol and have no estrogen side effects others do for example.

 

[Krazykat]

i`m bumping ppl havent understood the argument.

 

[unclep]

I don't know about all these studies, the only study i really trust is the one i do on myself, and i found Prooviron to decrease water retention....especially around the estrogen zones, and tighten up my muscle

so study that.


paulie

 

[Nelson Montana]

KK: I don't understand your argument. I think you're misunderstanding the role of SHBG.

If Proviron improves the free T to total ratio, how will that increase aromatization? You'll still have the same amount of aromatization T, just more of it will be usable.

I appreciate the desire to have an better understanding, but we shouldn't get so caught up in the acedemics that we lose sight of what's obvious. Proviron works.

 

[Krazykat]

ok

SHBG has less affinity for estrogen that testosterone, displacing SHBG by Proviron will therefore mean that estrogen is `given up` more easily resulting in more estrogen. This is probably quite transient and not very significant unless you have some previous gyno agitation in which it could be a problem.

Also its only free test that can be aromatized therfore increasing free test will increase aromization. However decreasing SHBG and increasing free test, also means that testosterone is excreted to a greater degree therfore it is unclear how much free test there is anyway.

Sure Proviron works for most, but anyone can appreciate individual differences. Some can do 1g of test a week and have little estrogen side effects, other do 200mg and turn into a woman. Go figure!

 

[jboldman]

hmm, and here i thought that proviron worked for very few people. Certainly not for me. You want more free test, take more test, it is cheaper and reduces shbg at the same time. You want an anti-e, take an anti-e, they are cheaper and actually work, there is no clinical proof that proviron works as an anti-e.

Of course, if it works for "you" then by all means use it if you have the spare cash. There is so much contradiction surrounding proviron, it should act as a red flag, an anti-e that might cause gyno, a non-anabolic steroid that has no growth promoting properties yet it is an effective "releaser" of testosterone a potent anabolic. Well, where is the resulting anabolism? As i said,if you buy it to use WITH exo test to free up some more test,it is cheaper just to use more test.

As a side benefit it might also help you if you suffer from inuresis.

jb

 

[max1988]

hmm, and here i thought that proviron worked for very few people. Certainly not for me. You want more free test, take more test, it is cheaper and reduces shbg at the same time. You want an anti-e, take an anti-e, they are cheaper and actually work, there is no clinical proof that proviron works as an anti-e.

Of course, if it works for "you" then by all means use it if you have the spare cash. There is so much contradiction surrounding proviron, it should act as a red flag, an anti-e that might cause gyno, a non-anabolic steroid that has no growth promoting properties yet it is an effective "releaser" of testosterone a potent anabolic. Well, where is the resulting anabolism? As i said,if you buy it to use WITH exo test to free up some more test,it is cheaper just to use more test.

As a side benefit it might also help you if you suffer from inuresis.

jb

Totally agree sorry to bring up a old thread had bloods done few times we're I'm on deca only with winstrol 100mg a day and gyno appeared what first comes to mind is deca but bloods came back high esotrgen low progestrone.. Shbg really low doc said when shbg becomes low it releases high free test which will convert to oestrogen and if your sensitive to oestrogen then you will get oestrogen side effects endnof the day people built diffrently I cannot touch 10omg a week test without full blown tits.. But can use gram of deca no sides.

 

[ww90125]

There are two sides to any argument related to steroid usage:
1- What does science say about it? What do controlled studies say about it?
2- What do the experience of zillions of users say about it? IOW, what's the know-how?

Both support the idea that Proviron in fact, due to its extremely high affinity for plasma binding proteins(SHBG), it may actually work to potentate the activity of other steroids by displacing a higher percentage into a free, unbound state. The direct result is to increase androgen levels and ANTI-ESTROGEN due to its intrinsic ability to antagonize the aromatase enzyme.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ good post, proviron is a great one