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Does HCG cause water retention? Is it necessary to take an anti-aroma while on HCG? And how can one get desensitized to HCG?
Can I get some help with HCG please?
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Vicious cycle
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Carth said:
1. I don't think it does, not really sure about that one.
2. I would think not given what it is used for (to help bring your boys back to full size before starting PCT)
3. Using to much at once will desensitize you, I believe.
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Bonkme2
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I'll take a shot...
1&2: It prolly won't cause alot of water retention, but it does cause a huge spike in estrogen levels. So prolly no on the water retention, but an anti-e is HIGHLY recommended.
3: There's not a definite time frame or dosage on this, but high doses over a long period of time can cause desentization. For PCT, Dr.J advocates 1000IU MWF for 3 weeks and has never had an issue with desentization.
1&2: It prolly won't cause alot of water retention, but it does cause a huge spike in estrogen levels. So prolly no on the water retention, but an anti-e is HIGHLY recommended.
3: There's not a definite time frame or dosage on this, but high doses over a long period of time can cause desentization. For PCT, Dr.J advocates 1000IU MWF for 3 weeks and has never had an issue with desentization.
slat1
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Here is a quick quote from one of the sticky's:
HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production.
The typically observed dosing of 2000 to 5000IU every 4 to 5 days causes such an increase in oestrogen levels via aromatisation of the natural testosterone that this has been responsible for many cases of gynecomastia.
So I am guessing that if you are taking large amounts of HCG there could be some sides as mentioned. If gyno is possible I would assume water retention is too.
If HCG is taken to often it has been shown to desensitize LH2. I don't believe taking it in small doses (500iu's) twice a week is enough to do that.
Hope that helps!
Good Luck!!!
HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis - feedback loop discussed above); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production.
The typically observed dosing of 2000 to 5000IU every 4 to 5 days causes such an increase in oestrogen levels via aromatisation of the natural testosterone that this has been responsible for many cases of gynecomastia.
So I am guessing that if you are taking large amounts of HCG there could be some sides as mentioned. If gyno is possible I would assume water retention is too.
If HCG is taken to often it has been shown to desensitize LH2. I don't believe taking it in small doses (500iu's) twice a week is enough to do that.
Hope that helps!
Good Luck!!!
hammertime30
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Carth said:
If HCG is taken over many weeks and in high dosages, it is possible that the testes will respond poorly to a later HCG intake and a release of the body's own LH. This could result in a permanent inadequate gonadal function. Also shooting HCG at too high of a dosage can actually induce gyno...You should only run HCG for 3 weeks max....Start at around 3000iu every 5 days for the first 2 shots then decrease to 1500iu...Always start nolva after the 2nd or 3rd shot and never use arimidex or femera during your pct for it cause nolva to not work as effectively being that nolva is basically a week estrogen!
I'm not on PCT right now. I want to take it during the cycle.
Vicious cycle
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Carth said:
500iu twice a week during cycle should keep them fluffy.
But would that raise estrogen levels too high? Would I need an anti-aroma with that?
junk
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Carth said:
Answers:
1. HCG may cause water retention, it's dose depandant. But a high level of water retention is very possible. I get a hell of water retention from HCG.
2. You should certainly take an anti aromatase or anti estrogen during HCG. However, many do not take anti-es as well as don't take them on heavy test cycle, yet do not get gyno. So it's very individual. Personally, I would want to avoid high estrogen levels not only due to gyno issues but more so in regard to increased fat deposits.
3. Desentization can happen, but it's way overrated. Patients who got 10,000IU a week for several weeks had everything in check. During cycle, after the first 2 weeks, I would aim at 1000IU shot once every 10-14 days, or you can follow the more preservative approach of 500IU every SUN/MON. During PCT, depanding on the length and aas of the cycle, I would follow with 1000-1500IU MON/WED/FRI for 3 weeks along with clomid and nolvadex, with clomid and nolvadex going for at least 4 weeks past last shot of HCG. (for heavier cycles go for 5-8 weeks past hcg)
It's redicioulous, I see a lot of guys on 16-24weeks cycles, yet do just 3 weeks total of PCT and think that will bring up their LH and TEST readings to normal.
JUNK
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Carth said:
No, I don't believe that it will. As fas as PCT goes, this was told to me by needsize. Look at him, I trust what he says.
"I ran hcg at 500iu per day for the last 10 days of the cycle. I then started a combo of nolva 40mg/clomid 100mg for 10 days, then nolva 20mg/clomid 50mg for the last 10 days."
I tend to run clomid 50mg/day for another 20 days after this.
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slyder190 said:
PCT should start the day after your last HCG shot. HCG helps get the boys back to full size and ready for PCT. Most people consider it PCT, but it is taken while the AAS of your choice is still present.
junk
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slyder190 said:
Little longer but better recovery. I'm going with recovery plan once suggested by Dr JMW, works great for me:
After last inj of AAS:
WK1-3 1000-1500iu HCG M/W/F + 50mg Clomid + 20mg Nolvadex
WK4-8 50mg Clomid + 20mg Nolvadex
I'm on week 5 or so, excellent results so far (BTW: been on a 24week cycle before)
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