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stryker1977

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hello,

I am new to this body transforming world. I just finished my first cycle ever and I feel good, but didn't get the desired results. There is alot of info of the gear and tried to keep up with it. That is why I turned to this forum; As I was reading. you guys really know your stuff.
Lets get down; My first cycle was Deca, Tes, clen and cytomel, clomid. I know It really sucks, I got it off the internet and didn't know any better. I am going to wait 4 mos. then jump on my next one. I am planning on taking deca, tes, win, d-bol. My ques is how should I break em down? What ptc? Should I add anything? SHould I take anything out? PLease I am desperately needing help. I found out the hard way that those internet suggested cycles are not really that great. I need someone with exerience.
I am 5'10'' 260 lbs. 20% BF. I know its not hte best, that is why I am seeking your advise.
 
Ulter said:
When you say you're new to this body transforming world, what do you mean my that? How long have you been weight training? What did you expect to get from your cycle? What were your doses? How long did you run it?
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I have been religiously working out since I started about 10 weeks ago. I would go to the gym from time to time before that. I have 2 more weeks to go on my 1st cycle. I am running it for 12 weeks. I really want to loose alot of the BF. What I mean getting started is that I am taking it very serious. protien intake calories etc. When I started, I had this thought that all you need is to get on a cycle and watch yourself grow. Now I realize that it is just as much work. Thank you for taking the time.
 
All you need is 2 compounds 3 at most. Go with test and deca or test/deca/dbol if you want to bulk. Make your first cycle your best. Eat a lot of high quality food and lots of protein. You can cut up on deca and var or winny or tren.
 
Ulter said:
When you say you're new to this body transforming world, what do you mean my that? How long have you been weight training? What did you expect to get from your cycle? What were your doses? How long did you run it?
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PLease, any help would be appriciated.
 
stryker1977 said:
PLease, any help would be appriciated.
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Dude, Ulter asked some pretty relevant questions. You want help, then give us some info. You want my advice? You should of dropped that BF lower and worked out longer before you even touched the gear. You don't get big falling down on needles! Diet and Training are key first! Besides, you shouldn't of used more than one compound(Test) for your first cycle.

Guys like you who try a boatload of gear your first time out, are the ones we end up getting around here begging for help to get rid of bitch tits and limp dick, acne, and abcesses! :rolleyes:
 
You are the posterchild for what is wrong with the steroid community right now.

You have no muscle to build on. You have no idea how to train or eat right. You have not imbraced the bodybuilding lifestyle long enough to the results you're looking for. You thought you would start hitting the gym hard and use steroids to change your body. Surprise! That doesn't work. You should have been in the gym for at least two to three years before you picked up steroids.
 
And I would figure to be a lot more than 20% bodyfat if you have only been training for 10 weeks at 5'10" 260 bro. I do not think you are anywhere close to being ready to run a cycle. Not trying to come down on you bro, just being honest. ANd for a first timer, one, MAYBE two compounds is ideal.
 
My fault! I thought this is what we could be able to use it for. I realize that I did not do my research and there is alot of info out there. I do not have any of those problems of bitch tits etc. But hey thanks for you input!
 
stryker1977 said:
My fault! I thought this is what we could be able to use it for. I realize that I did not do my research and there is alot of info out there. I do not have any of those problems of bitch tits etc. But hey thanks for you input!
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It's only a matter of time before you do. You're not playing around with shit from your local GNC here Bro! You need to do your homework and listen to guys like Ulter. You ought be thankful he's even bothered to set you str8. Lots of Bros who know their shit here. This is not the right time for you fuck with gear.
 
growthspurt said:
It's only a matter of time before you do. You're not playing around with shit from your local GNC here Bro! You need to do your homework and listen to guys like Ulter. You ought be thankful he's even bothered to set you str8. Lots of Bros who know their shit here. This is not the right time for you fuck with gear.
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How the fuck do you want me to listen when all you do is get on here and ridicul. Its veterans like you that that make us amatures hesitate when we ask for advise but I get the fucken point. No sense in beating a dead horse. Like I sais thanks for the input!
 
stryker1977 said:
How the fuck do you want me to listen when all you do is get on here and ridicul. Its veterans like you that that make us amatures hesitate when we ask for advise but I get the fucken point. No sense in beating a dead horse. Like I sais thanks for the input!
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Just because myself and Ulter didn't tell you exactly what you wanted to hear, does'nt mean you were being ridiculed! Don't be such a Sally(now that's a Dig)! That's the prob with you newbs! You're so hell-bent on using gear, and when you hear that you shouldn't from us, you get all cunty! I sorry your feelings got hurt, but if you're going to hang here, you better get some thicker skin.
 
thats cool and I can relate to that! I admitted that I did have that thought when I first started about thinking gear was going to do everything by itself! I now relize that it is even harder to reach the goals one desires! but again thanks for your input!
 
stryker1977 said:
How the fuck do you want me to listen when all you do is get on here and ridicul. Its veterans like you that that make us amatures hesitate when we ask for advise but I get the fucken point. No sense in beating a dead horse. Like I sais thanks for the input!
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This site is called elite fitness for a reason. It's not Intro to fitness or newbie fitness. For some reason newbs that join the board have this sense of entitlement to the vast 411 the vets here have acquired over years and years of research and self trial and error. You should feel priveleged that these guy are even willing to listen to your questions regardless of how ridiculous that they may be.

Nobody owes you shit. While you were out fucking off with your free time many of us were in the gym busting our ass. Why should we let you cut to the front of the line when you're lacking the basic knowledge and workout/diet experience to make gains naturally-let alone with AS?

Questions from newbs here are still welcome. We just require you to have done your research of AS and put some time in the gym before you wanna talk shop. In addition, you might wanna pull your panties out of your ass. You sound like a little bitch just cuz guys aren't telling you what you wanna hear.

Now if you're one of those guys that posts a retarded question and waits for the 1st non-flaming bonehead that says what you wanna hear to respond (while ignoring 99% of the other posts advising you not to use AS) that's more irritating than anything. If you've already got it figured out on your own, why even post questions?
 
Good response BigC.

Stryker, I hope you soon come to realise that your first cycle was not even vaguely sensible. Without a training background, you are likely to come out of this experience even fatter and with less muscle than when you started.

You might think that your cycle is about to end when, in reality, it's only approaching its end-game. You now need to do a lot of reading on how to recover from your cycle. I suggest you go and read the PCT forum. All of it.

If you are serious about transforming your body, go to the diet and training forums. You have no need of steroids at this time but you do need to learn how to make changes naturally. Be prepared to put in at least a couple of years of effort. The effort will not be wasted.
 
blut wump said:
Good response BigC.

Stryker, I hope you soon come to realise that your first cycle was not even vaguely sensible. Without a training background, you are likely to come out of this experience even fatter and with less muscle than when you started.

You might think that your cycle is about to end when, in reality, it's only approaching its end-game. You now need to do a lot of reading on how to recover from your cycle. I suggest you go and read the PCT forum. All of it.

If you are serious about transforming your body, go to the diet and training forums. You have no need of steroids at this time but you do need to learn how to make changes naturally. Be prepared to put in at least a couple of years of effort. The effort will not be wasted.
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Your online tactfulness and social literacy gives me a big rubbery one. lol Unfortunately many newbs don't respond to gentle advice. It often takes a barrage of flames for them to even remotely notice that they're being a 'tard.
 
dsh89 said:
And I would figure to be a lot more than 20% bodyfat if you have only been training for 10 weeks at 5'10" 260 bro. I do not think you are anywhere close to being ready to run a cycle. Not trying to come down on you bro, just being honest. ANd for a first timer, one, MAYBE two compounds is ideal.
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If he's only been training for 10 wweeks and is 260lbs, there's no way in hell he's only 20% bodyfat. He may actually have gyno but can't really notice it as he's already overly obese.

I can't offer you any advice about your cycle because I haven't done one yet but I can recommend that you don't get nowhere near them until you know everything about them. I've been training for years and I plan to take the plunge in the spring but I can tell you that no needle will come anywhere near my asscheek before I know everything I need to know.
 
What kind of cycle would The Pillsbury Doughboy use??? He's on the biscuit/crescent roll diet and doing a 0 days on/7 days off workout routine. He tries to slow his metabolism down by sleeping and watching as much reality television as possible. I think he smoke likes an oz of weed per week and he's still worried about looking soft during spring break. He may have a yeast infection as well.
 
BigCracker said:
What kind of cycle would The Pillsbury Doughboy use??? He's on the biscuit/crescent roll diet and doing a 0 days on/7 days off workout routine. He tries to slow his metabolism down by sleeping and watching as much reality television as possible. I think he smoke likes an oz of weed per week and he's still worried about looking soft during spring break. He may have a yeast infection as well.
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LOL! You're on a roll today Bro! Gotta take it easy on the powder! ;)
 
Ulter said:
You are the posterchild for what is wrong with the steroid community right now.

You have no muscle to build on. You have no idea how to train or eat right. You have not imbraced the bodybuilding lifestyle long enough to the results you're looking for. You thought you would start hitting the gym hard and use steroids to change your body. Surprise! That doesn't work. You should have been in the gym for at least two to three years before you picked up steroids.
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for rea!

chances are your gear is not even real, if you got it from some website
 
Dude
just get in the gym and leanr how to train first.

Dead Lift
Squat
Bench Press
Chin Ups
Dips

learn the shit and work the shit out of these exercises while you are reading up on diet.

You said you want to lean out...well you're a big fella so you should make cardio a priority like 7 fucking days a week.

cut the shit out of your calories, dont just stop drinking beer and eating pizza and expect to get ripped.

good luck.


stryker1977 said:
hello,

I am new to this body transforming world. I just finished my first cycle ever and I feel good, but didn't get the desired results. There is alot of info of the gear and tried to keep up with it. That is why I turned to this forum; As I was reading. you guys really know your stuff.
Lets get down; My first cycle was Deca, Tes, clen and cytomel, clomid. I know It really sucks, I got it off the internet and didn't know any better. I am going to wait 4 mos. then jump on my next one. I am planning on taking deca, tes, win, d-bol. My ques is how should I break em down? What ptc? Should I add anything? SHould I take anything out? PLease I am desperately needing help. I found out the hard way that those internet suggested cycles are not really that great. I need someone with exerience.
I am 5'10'' 260 lbs. 20% BF. I know its not hte best, that is why I am seeking your advise.
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heavy_duty said:
Dude
just get in the gym and leanr how to train first.

Dead Lift
Squat
Bench Press
Chin Ups
Dips

learn the shit and work the shit out of these exercises while you are reading up on diet.

You said you want to lean out...well you're a big fella so you should make cardio a priority like 7 fucking days a week.

cut the shit out of your calories, dont just stop drinking beer and eating pizza and expect to get ripped.

good luck.
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Great response. Too bad that it might as well be written in some paranormal alien code.


If he doesn't know that stuff on his own yet-a long journey ahead-he has. <yoda voice>
 
Ulter said:
You are the posterchild for what is wrong with the steroid community right now.

You have no muscle to build on. You have no idea how to train or eat right. You have not imbraced the bodybuilding lifestyle long enough to the results you're looking for. You thought you would start hitting the gym hard and use steroids to change your body. Surprise! That doesn't work. You should have been in the gym for at least two to three years before you picked up steroids.
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I am so glad someone said what you said. There are people out there who think steroids is the answer for the quick fix. They're foolish and they give real bodybuilders a bad name.
 
Mr.Pumped said:
I am so glad someone said what you said. There are people out there who think steroids is the answer for the quick fix. They're foolish and they give real bodybuilders a bad name.
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ALl I can do is be honest and soak in all your advises!
 
stryker1977 said:
ALl I can do is be honest and soak in all your advices!
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No, you can do much more than that.

You owe it to yourself to take an active part in the research that needs to be done to use synthetic hormones in a manner likely to keep you safe and functional.

Take anyone's and everyone's advice with a pinch of salt unless and until you can find ways to ascertain the veracity of their words. Trust no-one since if you fuck up there's only you to live with the consequences.
 
Mr.Pumped said:
I am so glad someone said what you said. There are people out there who think steroids is the answer for the quick fix. They're foolish and they give real bodybuilders a bad name.
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I take steroids and the only exercise I get is from masturbating to online porn in between researching the web for my next cycle. Figuring out the right way to stack juice is tough enough without having to pay attention to workout and diet. Oh shit, I'm running late for my liposuction/calf implant operation and I still need to stop at McDonalds for my deluxe big breakfast with extra hash browns, sausage and 3 syrups.
 
stryker1977 said:
Thank you for your suggestiong. Can you advise me on the weekly doses? Say I choose deca, win, and dbol? any pct?
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Deca is a good drug, great stuff. Start with 200mg and go to 400mg per week. Test 250mg per week would be fine with the deca. If you think you want to add an oral like dbol, 30mg on top of that would be fine. If this is your first or second cycle, you don't need high dose, just enough. Personally, I would stay away from dbol if you have test and deca. But if you do not mind the extra water weight and puffy look, the dbol might do you good. I don't have a lot of dbol experience, I took Indian Pronabol back in the 90s. I would opt for anadrol, but it also will give you a lot of water weight and puffy look, unless an aromatase inhibitor would help. PM me anytime bro if you are getting a lot of pain in the ass answers asking for your DNA
 
You say you have only trained for 10 weeks right? If so you might not even have a good routine. Get a solid routine set up, get your diet in check, make some natural gains before using AAS, and STUDY. Use the search here and you should find all the info you need, if not try Anabolic Review or another book.

Be sure to study PCT!

It is good that you are asking questions and trying to do this right but you need to do learn some basics before even considering AAS again.

Good luck!
 
What is the point of research if you trust no-one?
Its like saying, read every book on steroids but dont trust the author. (?)


blut wump said:
No, you can do much more than that.

You owe it to yourself to take an active part in the research that needs to be done to use synthetic hormones in a manner likely to keep you safe and functional.

Take anyone's and everyone's advice with a pinch of salt unless and until you can find ways to ascertain the veracity of their words. Trust no-one since if you fuck up there's only you to live with the consequences.
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I think it's more like saying that you could read every book on steroids and find a dozen different standpoints on any issue. One or two of which might actually be hazardous; a few nondescript and one utterly golden. Without doing some research to get yourself into a position where the golden one actually sparkles to you, how are you going to recognize it?

I wouldn't trust my health to any one person on the Internet without doing some of my own research or otherwise having a very pressing reason to do so. All I'm suggesting it that he shouldn't take anyone's word at blind gospel faith and absolutely must make the effort to educate himself.
 
heavy_duty said:
What is the point of research if you trust no-one?
Its like saying, read every book on steroids but dont trust the author. (?)
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99% of anything written or published on any topic is bullshit. Nobody said figuring this shit out is easy. If it was, everybody would look great. Some people say we live in the information-age. I call it the misinformation-age-especially the fitness and diet industry that thrives on your confusion and failure. The less gains that you make, the more likely you'll try buying some bullshit diet and/or supps that don't work.
 
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