CALORIES AND MACROS FOR NATURAL VS ENHANCED LIFTER

[Placeboeffect94]

Hello ,

Most diets on the internet look mainstream which applies to all approach. However , let's say as a natural lifter can build muscle with 300-500 calories surplus and 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight ( assuming training , diet and rest is on point ) in a certain amount of time ( it will differ everyone has different genetic potential ) .
I do not understand why an enhanced lifter should follow the same diet and calorie surplus as a natural lifter , since steroids give a positive nitrogen retention balance and elevates muscle protein synthesis , i assume nutrients are absorbed more efficiently . With steroids more muscle can be built in a shorter time , so should we not put more fuel in teh engine and increase the calorie surplus and macros on roids ?

 

[the_alcatraz]

Hello ,

Most diets on the internet look mainstream which applies to all approach. However , let's say as a natural lifter can build muscle with 300-500 calories surplus and 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight ( assuming training , diet and rest is on point ) in a certain amount of time ( it will differ everyone has different genetic potential ) .
I do not understand why an enhanced lifter should follow the same diet and calorie surplus as a natural lifter , since steroids give a positive nitrogen retention balance and elevates muscle protein synthesis , i assume nutrients are absorbed more efficiently . With steroids more muscle can be built in a shorter time , so should we not put more fuel in teh engine and increase the calorie surplus and macros on roids ?

@Placeboeffect94 I'm following your log btw

and for your thoughts on diet, there is no question using steroids burns more fat and uses more protein and you need to be in a positive nitrogen balance to grow, so yes you have to eat much much more when on anabolics if growing

 

[stevesmi]

the first cycle i did was test, deca and dbol and i was eating like a horse on it. was hungry nonstop. the key though is eat QUALITY FOODS. i care more about what you eat, now how much you eat.

give me 150g of quality protein per day over 500g of shakes and bars

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro where the steak and beef?

 

[Quadsweep]

you are overthinking this

 

[ROIDDERS]

more protein is more growth for sure

 

[ceo]

bros on cycle eat way more

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

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[e2]

heck yea you gotta eat big on cycle

 

[Monstro]

if no high protein with steroids = no grow

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

off cycle im doing about 2500 calories
on cycle im doing 3500 calories

 

[SteveMobsterG]

Hello ,

Most diets on the internet look mainstream which applies to all approach. However , let's say as a natural lifter can build muscle with 300-500 calories surplus and 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight ( assuming training , diet and rest is on point ) in a certain amount of time ( it will differ everyone has different genetic potential ) .
I do not understand why an enhanced lifter should follow the same diet and calorie surplus as a natural lifter , since steroids give a positive nitrogen retention balance and elevates muscle protein synthesis , i assume nutrients are absorbed more efficiently . With steroids more muscle can be built in a shorter time , so should we not put more fuel in teh engine and increase the calorie surplus and macros on roids ?

It's about tweaking the numbers as you go

 

[25homes]

come on bro just eat your food and track it

 

[RoySimpson]

Focus on eating your protein!

 

[Topps_Baseball88]

It's about tweaking the numbers as you go

I agree with this stance, since staring my cut in April I've tweaked foods non stop played around with less and more calories higher lower protein carbs and fats, along with different training styles, eventually through the process u find and figure out what works for you. I don't think there is a one size fits all answer in this regard.

 

[ballin2504]

You need to get your protein high

 

[MasonicBodybuilder]

I don't pay attention to macros or calories anymore. Once you are locked in on eating the right foods, you just eat when you are hungry.