California Prop 83 passed

[patsfan1379]

This law is like using a broad sword in an operation where a scalpel is needed.
It punishes everyone for something targeted towards the vast minority.
I dont know where some of you guys are getting your statistics. But it has been proven time and time again that repeat and violent sex crime offenders(not to mention the even smaller percentage that have commited a sex crime vs. a child) constitue only 3-5% of the 85,000+ registered offenders in the state.
THIS is the reason this legislation is horrible.
And please dont think that I am somehow condoning sex crimes with my position because nothing is further from the truth. But I do believe that the low recidivism rate proves that this law is punsihing 75,000+ people who have never commited a crime past what they have ALREADY done thier time for.
This is unjust in every way, unconstitutional in EVERY way. There will be lawsuits and problems pending from this ridiculous piece of legislature until it is changed.

and it really does not take much to be convicted of a sex crime. All it takes is circumstancial evidence to be charged and/or a good prosecutor.

also my stance on it is this...these people DID thier time. They should not be forced to deal with a new law that they are @ the effect of 20+ years after the crime was commited!!! That is INSANITY!! I beleive the system is harsh enough on sex offenders. I also believe therapy and rehabilitation works. and there is a 95-97% sucess rate to prove it.

The cost is just ridiculous in all ways. And about the argument on illegal immigrants???
you have to be kidding me. The mexicans are an INTEGRAL part of our labor force. Who else is going to do the housekeeping, landscaping, concrete labor, furniture moving, demolition, and hundreds of other tasks we dont have to want to do?? No one, we rely on these people and to spend money to keep them out is a crime in itself. We should spend the $$ to bring them in and register them 100X faster than we are now. America was founded by immigrant workers, and now we are trying to kick them out? Again, insanity.

I'm going to be 100% honest here.

If you get convicted of a sex crime against children you're life should be ruined forever. I don't care if you did it 20 years ago.

That child pays for what they did every day of their life.

Maybe consequences like this will make pervs think twice.

 

[Wulfgar]

I'm going to be 100% honest here.

If you get convicted of a sex crime against children you're life should be ruined forever. I don't care if you did it 20 years ago.

That child pays for what they did every day of their life.

Maybe consequences like this will make pervs think twice.

Again, Im not condoning sex crimes vs. children. I am saying this law is punishing EVERYONE in order to affect a very very small percentage of the true predators. This is not just about child molesters. This is the problem, people are having this weird emotional reaction thinking this legislation is ONLY for child sex offenders, IT IS NOT!!! plus, it is affecting people who were not even convicted under the current laws!!!
That would be like being arrested for possessing alchohol because we used to have prohibition. It is wrong and unconstitutional
thank god the ACLU s already appealing this bogus crap. This opens up too many major doors for the government to take away even more of our civil liberties

 

[patsfan1379]

Again, Im not condoning sex crimes vs. children. I am saying this law is punishing EVERYONE in order to affect a very very small percentage of the true predators. This is not just about child molesters. This is the problem, people are having this weird emotional reaction thinking this legislation is ONLY for child sex offenders, IT IS NOT!!! plus, it is affecting people who were not even convicted under the current laws!!!
That would be like being arrested for possessing alchohol because we used to have prohibition. It is wrong and unconstitutional
thank god the ACLU s already appealing this bogus crap. This opens up too many major doors for the government to take away even more of our civil liberties

I don't care if it ruins their families, I don't care if it is retroactive and I don't care if they've "already paid" for their crimes.

Good legislation.

They are called consequences.

 

[slat1]

It seems to me at best the law is just another "deterant".
But why spend so much on one?
I would rather we tatoo the persons forehead. Its cheaper and more obvious.

 

[Wulfgar]

I don't care if it ruins their families, I don't care if it is retroactive and I don't care if they've "already paid" for their crimes.

Good legislation.

They are called consequences.

that is unfortunate that so many of the population have such a short-sighted, narrow-minded view of what will advance our society and progress us into a more enlightened and progressive civilization. When in truth it is legislation like this that cripples society and regresses us into a lose/lose situation.

Nobody wins with this legislation in effect. Nobody.

 

[Wulfgar]

It seems to me at best the law is just another "deterant".
But why spend so much on one?
I would rather we tatoo the persons forehead. Its cheaper and more obvious.

the problem is is that it is not a deterrant for all those people already registered that it is affecting. These people did nothing wrong and were not convicted when this law was in effect.
It is unconstitutional and unjust to sentence people and punish them further without due process.

 

[patsfan1379]

that is unfortunate that so many of the population have such a short-sighted, narrow-minded view of what will advance our society and progress us into a more enlightened and progressive civilization. When in truth it is legislation like this that cripples society and regresses us into a lose/lose situation.

Nobody wins with this legislation in effect. Nobody.

I'd install the death penalty for people convicted of sex crimes against children.

How's that for progressive.

 

[slat1]

the problem is is that it is not a deterrant for all those people already registered that it is affecting. These people did nothing wrong and were not convicted when this law was in effect.
It is unconstitutional and unjust to sentence people and punish them further without due process.

I hear you. I was saying that the other law was at best a deterrant.
That being the case my above scenario would be cheaper if it is a deterrant they want.

 

[jnevin]

I'd install the death penalty for people convicted of sex crimes against children.

How's that for progressive.

I'd go life sentence for that and rape. No question.

 

[Lao Tzu]

I'm going to be 100% honest here.

If you get convicted of a sex crime against children you're life should be ruined forever. I don't care if you did it 20 years ago.

That child pays for what they did every day of their life.

Maybe consequences like this will make pervs think twice.

Problem is child molestation is a delicate issue. If you take some 6 year old who is being molested by their father or some other family member and tell them point blank they have two options

1. Tell someone and watch their family get ripped to shreds by bloodthirsty law enforcement officials
2. Ignore it and pretend it isn't happening

Which do you think the kids are going to pick 95% of the time? We need a totally new way to deal with sex crimes in our society, because our current method is a total and utter failure. All our current method does is excessively penalize the 2-5% who get caught.