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Cabergoline will NOT give us any heart damage!!!

kyle486

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I was doing a bit of research on the net - trying to find a good way to lower progestin. It seemed that the best one was cabergoline/dostinex. A little later in my research I saw that there was some risk associated with heart valve damage, but this was at a MUCH higher dose than we use. I found a study showing that the doses used to treat hyperprolactinaemia , which is dosed the exact same dosing have been doing (.5mg/E3D is safe), and that there was NO increased risk of heart damage.

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Low dose cabergoline for hyperprolactinaemia is not associated with clinically significant valvular heart disease
Ammar Wakil, Alan S Rigby1, Andrew L Clark2, Anna Kallvikbacka-Bennett2 and Stephen L Atkin3

Michael White Diabetes Centre, Hull Royal Infirmary, Brocklehurst Building, 220-236 Anlaby Road, Hull HU3 2RW, UK1 Department of Academic Cardiology, University of Hull, Hull, UK2 Castle Hill Hospital, Castle Road, Cottingham, UK3 Department of Endocrinology, Diabetes and Metabolism, Hull York Medical School, Hull, UK

(Correspondence should be addressed to A Wakil; Email: [email protected])

Objective: Recent trials suggest that using ergot-derived dopamine agonists such as cabergoline in the treatment of Parkinson's disease is associated with an increased risk of valvular heart disease. However, the dose of cabergoline used to treat hyperprolactinaemia is considerably less than that used in Parkinson's disease.

Design and methods: A cross-sectional comparative assessment. Forty-four patients treated with cabergoline for hyperprolactinaemia underwent transthoracic echocardiography and were compared with 566 sequential subjects complaining of palpitations, taken from a contemporary echocardiography database.

Results: The mean cumulative dose of cabergoline in the cases was 311 mg. There was no significant, severe or moderate, right- or left-sided valvular regurgitation in either group. Left heart: in the mitral and aortic valves, the rate of mild and trivial valvular regurgitation was not different between the two groups. Right heart: mild tricuspid and pulmonary regurgitation on colour Doppler alone was increased significantly in the cabergoline group, odds ratios of 3.1 and 7.8 respectively (95% confidence interval 1.0–9.6 and 0.8–78.4, P=0.04 and P<0.0001 respectively).
Conclusion: Cabergoline at doses sufficient to suppress hyperprolactinaemia for a period of 3–4 years is not associated with an increased risk of clinically significant valvular regurgitation.

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(www).eje-online.(org)/cgi/content/abstract/159/4/R11

(sorry, not enough posts, so you have to remove the parenthesis from the URL)

Low dose cabergoline for hyperprolactinaemia is not associated with clinically significant valvular heart disease -- Wakil et al. 159 (4): R11 -- European Journal of Endocrinology[/url]

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(I will be posting this to a few forums, so don't tell me that I copied this)

Now we can prevent all those progestin sides without worrying about our heart!!!
 
The most under-rated drug in the bodybuilding circuit imo...

I've been running this wonder drug at varied doses over the last 1 year thereabouts and soon am' gonna start a detailed thread for everyone's benefit.
 
It has been stated before, that Cabergoline, at low doses to control prolactin level, is completely safe. High doses for parkinson are risky.
 
cabergoline gave me carpel tunnel in my left wrist which resulted in nerve damage and i will prob never have FULL feeling back on my left hand.

fuck cabergoline!

What proof do you have that substantiates anything you just said above?
 
after 2-3 weeks of taking it i developed carpel tunnel (which i have never had before and it doesnt run in my family), it was diagnosed by my dr. it is a known side effect of the drug.

the pressure on the median nerve caused numbness which never fully disappeared. my dr told me i had mild nerve damage, and it is was direct result of taking the cabergoline. he was appauled i was able to get it without a prescription and gave me a VERY stern warning.

What dose were u taking mate?
 
after 2-3 weeks of taking it i developed carpel tunnel (which i have never had before and it doesnt run in my family), it was diagnosed by my dr. it is a known side effect of the drug.

the pressure on the median nerve caused numbness which never fully disappeared. my dr told me i had mild nerve damage, and it is was direct result of taking the cabergoline. he was appauled i was able to get it without a prescription and gave me a VERY stern warning.

What brand were you using? Reason being, it may not have been Cabergoline if you used a liquid solution, as Caber is not STABLE in liquid. If you used Cabaser brand and you developed nerve damage as a result--I AM SHOCKED.
 
Hey Wazzup DJ...what would a high dose for parkinson's normally be ?

For Parkinson, 0.5mg ed is used for a couple weeks. Then maintenance dose is 2-6mg per day.

For prolactin, the start dose is 0.5mg PER WEEK, and a maintenance dose of up to 4.5mg PER WEEK. However, this maximum dose is for pituitary tumor and severe prolactinemia cases. For an average Joe who plans on lower normal levels of prolactin, 0.5mg e3d or even e4d should be enough.

The problem humans always have, is that they "want" everything NOW. Right now. Immediately. So they use higher doses to "feel" something. Wrong. Mistake. The carbon unit reacts to evolution, not revolution. A low dose over an extended period of time, will give you great results while being on the safe side.
 
And BTW, there is a new medication, supposedly to be even safer than dostinex. It is called Norprolac (Quinagolide)
 
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