Building my summer stack

[DerFuhrer]

Hello guys ! This is my first topic I open on the forum, im getting ready for summer and have a plan in motion, any advices would be welcomed !
First of all, id like to say that im lucky ive found EF.com, it provided me with loads of info on how to use AAS properly, who knows where I would of ended up if I used aas on my own ! Thank you for that !
Now for some background info:
Im 24 years old (i know, too young etc... ) 1.76m and currently at 87 kg and around 12% bodyfat (dont know how to use imperial system) and this cycle below would be my 4th serious cycle:
Just to mention, im already entering the 5th week of the cycle, so if I did something wrong, can't change much now. Just for the record, I was 80kg before I started it.

Week 1-8 ..... 200-300mg/wk trenbolone enanthate (i know I should of used the acetate version)

Week 1-10 ......100mg/EOD Testosterone Propionate

Week 8-12 .......300mg/wk Masteron Propionate.

Week 8-12 ........50mg/EOD Winstrol Depot.

Also I was thinking optionally to add in week 8-10 Arimidex, to assist in the cutting phase of the cycle. As you can see, it has 2 phases, a bulking/lean-mass gain and a cutting phase.
The only side effects I have till now are some nasty insomnia issues, especially if I take any kind of preworkout in the PM, also extra aggressiveness, but im used to that.

So ... any advice you guys have is appreciated, I am not sure if I should add the Arimidex or not, and at what dosage? Also, is Masteron+winny a good combination to get ripped ?

As for PCT, I have Pregnyl, Clomid and the Post-Cycle/Unleashed combo on hand.


I also have some pics, currently taking them every 3-4 weeks or so.

 

[bonacris]

Personally I wouldn't use a preworkout with steroids due to BP issues, I would run n2guard and caber on cycle.. caber will control progesterone which can have some nasty side effects..

Run the hcg on cycle the last 5weeks..

I would beef up the PCT with the addition of formastanzol and DAA.. DAA is very cheap

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[Player9]

Personally I wouldn't use a preworkout with steroids due to BP issues, I would run n2guard and caber on cycle.. caber will control progesterone which can have some nasty side effects..

Run the hcg on cycle the last 5weeks..

I would beef up the PCT with the addition of formastanzol and DAA.. DAA is very cheap

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No pre workout you crazzzzy

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[DerFuhrer]

Personally I wouldn't use a preworkout with steroids due to BP issues, I would run n2guard and caber on cycle.. caber will control progesterone which can have some nasty side effects..

Run the hcg on cycle the last 5weeks..

I would beef up the PCT with the addition of formastanzol and DAA.. DAA is very cheap

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Yea, I noticed when I used the preworkout I had the worst insomnia and irregular heart beats, was really weird, I think it must be the trenbolone doing this, cause it`s not my first on aas and never had this kind of problem.

Unfortunately, in my country,im very limited with PCT products, I don't know if needto.com ships internationally but it must be costly. I do have Dostinex though, but due to its cost I havn't got it yet, seems that the prolactin is not a big issue with me, do I really need it ?
What about the Arimidex ? Should I use it in the final 2 weeks of the test to help against the water retention ?
DAA, i think I can find that here.

 

[needtogetaas]

Yea, I noticed when I used the preworkout I had the worst insomnia and irregular heart beats, was really weird, I think it must be the trenbolone doing this, cause it`s not my first on aas and never had this kind of problem.

Unfortunately, in my country,im very limited with PCT products, I don't know if needto.com ships internationally but it must be costly. I do have Dostinex though, but due to its cost I havn't got it yet, seems that the prolactin is not a big issue with me, do I really need it ?
What about the Arimidex ? Should I use it in the final 2 weeks of the test to help against the water retention ?
DAA, i think I can find that here.

what the heck is needto.com ????

 

[bonacris]

I've bought from needtobuildmuscle and Mr supps and shipping was reasonable.. you expect to pay some shipping.. max 30euro but I got my stuff within 5 working days so that's it more than fair in my opinion..

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[needtogetaas]

I've bought from needtobuildmuscle and Mr supps and shipping was reasonable.. you expect to pay some shipping.. max 30euro but I got my stuff within 5 working days so that's it more than fair in my opinion..

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Plus with N2BM no matter how much you order the shipping does not go up. Order in bulk and save some cash.

 

[DerFuhrer]

what the heck is needto.com ????

Excuse me, I meant needtobuildmuscle.com.
I will give it a look and see how much it would cost me.

As for my previous questions above, can anyone give a reply ?

 

[DerFuhrer]

"What about the Arimidex ? Should I use it in the final 2 weeks of the propionate to help against the water retention ? And what is the dosage for such a goal ?"

bump.

 

[DerFuhrer]

Well ... I guess ill just go with Adex at 0.25mg EOD and see how that works.

 

[DerFuhrer]

Bump !

I`ll get the Adex these days, just wanted to know what is the dosage for cutting purposes only for my above cycle ?

 

[meathead96]

Well ... I guess ill just go with Adex at 0.25mg EOD and see how that works.

This is the place to start. If you start having high estro symptoms increase to .5eod but most likely you won't need more than that if your adex is legit. Everyone is different though.

 

[DerFuhrer]

Thank you for your response ! I`ll start at 0.25mg EOD and see how it goes.

I have currently reached 90kg !

Pretty impressive considering I started at 79kg.

 

[joeblow12345]

Excuse me, I meant needtobuildmuscle.com.
I will give it a look and see how much it would cost me.

As for my previous questions above, can anyone give a reply ?

You don't need the dostinex if you use your adex to control estrogen. I highly suggest adding in some n2guard for bp.

 

[digit0x]

Well ... I guess ill just go with Adex at 0.25mg EOD and see how that works.

Its hard to prescribe a flat dose for every person, as we all respond differently with varying degree's of severity. I don't use an AI if I don't have to. I know what compounds at what dose will give me problems. Some guys get gyno during puberty without exogenous chems. If you are prone run a dose of an AI with anything that aromatizes. As little as needed is always best.

 

[meathead96]

You don't need the dostinex if you use your adex to control estrogen. I highly suggest adding in some n2guard for bp.

No disrespect but unfortunately I followed this same advice from someone on my first run with deca and I got gyno. It took me like a week to get caber and by then it was pretty bad. I was using aromasin and bloodwork proved that it was good and estro was managed. The second time I tried to run NPP and my dumbass thought I would be fine. I got gyno on the other side. Even running letro at 1.25ed and prami at 1mg ed I couldn't control it. My letro I know for sure was good because I had bloodwork on it and my e2 came back at 17 on just .5eod. N2guard is def good to run on any cycle. BP should be monitored often.

 

[joeblow12345]

No disrespect but unfortunately I followed this same advice from someone on my first run with deca and I got gyno. It took me like a week to get caber and by then it was pretty bad. I was using aromasin and bloodwork proved that it was good and estro was managed. The second time I tried to run NPP and my dumbass thought I would be fine. I got gyno on the other side. Even running letro at 1.25ed and prami at 1mg ed I couldn't control it. My letro I know for sure was good because I had bloodwork on it and my e2 came back at 17 on just .5eod. N2guard is def good to run on any cycle. BP should be monitored often.

Was your test dose higher then the nandrolones? I'm running 700 mg tren, 375 mg test week, 50 mg dbol, and 50 mg winny daily and haven't used caber once, and no gyno or prolactin symptoms. When I ran test at 800-1000 week with 400 tren, I had to use a heavy dose of adex and caber. Since I've switched to high tren low test I haven't used caber once in my last 2 blasts. So that may be the key but I still never have to buy caber again. I have an unopened bottle for emergency purposes, but I'm not planning on ever using it. I'm gonna run the same or more tren next time, with decca and low dose of test.

 

[meathead96]

Was your test dose higher then the nandrolones? I'm running 700 mg tren, 375 mg test week, 50 mg dbol, and 50 mg winny daily and haven't used caber once, and no gyno or prolactin symptoms. When I ran test at 800-1000 week with 400 tren, I had to use a heavy dose of adex and caber. Since I've switched to high tren low test I haven't used caber once in my last 2 blasts. So that may be the key but I still never have to buy caber again. I have an unopened bottle for emergency purposes, but I'm not planning on ever using it. I'm gonna run the same or more tren next time, with decca and low dose of test.

Yeah my test was higher than my deca. Now on 100mg of test with 700 tren and no issues. I am using letro and prami.

 

[DerFuhrer]

What can I use as a alternative to N2Guard for BP issues ? Like I said, ordering these products from the US would take time and money that I don't afford ....

 

[joeblow12345]

Yeah my test was higher than my deca. Now on 100mg of test with 700 tren and no issues. I am using letro and prami.

Just as I suspected, and exactly the case for myself and most others I talk to. Test is the biggest issue when running nandrolones. Test raises estrogen very easily, and this spike in estrogen causes a raise in prolactin which requires the use of caber. I still stand by my belief that as long as test dose is low then only an ai is needed when running nandrolones. When test is high caber or prami etc should be on hand and used when needed. I should have made a point to include this distinction in my other post. I will also add that from my experience, sides are almost non existent when test dose is lower then tren and other compounds.

 

[meathead96]

Just as I suspected, and exactly the case for myself and most others I talk to. Test is the biggest issue when running nandrolones. Test raises estrogen very easily, and this spike in estrogen causes a raise in prolactin which requires the use of caber. I still stand by my belief that as long as test dose is low then only an ai is needed when running nandrolones. When test is high caber or prami etc should be on hand and used when needed. I should have made a point to include this distinction in my other post. I will also add that from my experience, sides are almost non existent when test dose is lower then tren and other compounds.

Yeah you have a good point there. When I run low test with tren it makes sides much easier to manage. I have never run deca or NPP higher than my test in the same manner. I'm wondering if I could do this and be fine with it. I'm a little scared to try though after my last two experiences.