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cipherking
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boxing only...... come on it has to be the person that boxed for a living.no brainer. bigger stronger puncher.
needtogetaas
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with gloves on or can bruce have his gloves off.
I think one point should be made...bruce le very rarely kicked any way and when he did he never kicked above the waist...he thought kicking was a wast of energy and only did it in the movies for the looks.
I think one point should be made...bruce le very rarely kicked any way and when he did he never kicked above the waist...he thought kicking was a wast of energy and only did it in the movies for the looks.
needtogetaas
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well if bruce had to have gloves on then ya ali would win...but if no gloves I think he would kick his ass...layinback said:
buttbeater
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ali, no question, with or without gloves!
redsamurai
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gjohnson5 said:
don't know about that one..........in a street fight Lee had at least some ground capabilities. Plus, Lee's hands in a street fight are completely different from a boxing match. Boxing you're not allowed to open your palm or hit with the back of the hand...........which are STAPLES of chinese martial arts and especially lee's jeet kun do. Taking the gloves off changes EVERYTHING!
gjohnson5
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Bruce Lee was no Jet Li or Jackie Chan...
Bruce Lee probably has 1-2 years of Wing Tsun at best...
He learned the 1in punch by spying on others. He knew no Fa Ging or any of the second form because he was not a student of Wing Tsun long enough to be taught
I don't believe he can get into any toe to tow fight against the best boxer ever (who in his prime was some 100lb bigger then Bruce)
Bruce Lee probably has 1-2 years of Wing Tsun at best...
He learned the 1in punch by spying on others. He knew no Fa Ging or any of the second form because he was not a student of Wing Tsun long enough to be taught
I don't believe he can get into any toe to tow fight against the best boxer ever (who in his prime was some 100lb bigger then Bruce)
redsamurai
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could ali block a kick to the ribs proficiently? I dunno............not sure about Jet Li......but I know that Chan is "strictly" a stunt martial artist. He admits it himself..........he learned his trade in kabuki style theater. He may have never fought a serious fight in his life...............he's such a nice guy I don't know why you'd want to fight him anyway.
gjohnson5 said:
redsamurai
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gjohnson5 said:
I agree that Lee "may" have been alot of hype.........but I'd still take someone who was proficient with kicks over a straight boxer........even if he was bigger. Lee could just unload on Ali with his kicks if Ali isn't allowed to take him down. And my source about Chan was from an interview with the man himself...........maybe I'm mistaken.........but I thought he said he learned his craft from theatre work.
Powerbuilder333
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Agreed.gjohnson5 said:
cipherking
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you guys went away from the question. lol its a boxing match not street fighting. I read that bruce learned his punching from ali. so with that being said theres no way he out boxes ali.
Ali all the way. The only way Bruce Lee makes it out of the first round is strapped to a stretcher. You could take off Lee's gloves, let him kick, and arm him with brass knuckles and the result is still the same.
Ali took hits from Sonny Liston, George Foreman, and Ernie Shavers. There's no way Bruce Lee is hitting harder than either of those guys even weilding a baseball bat let alone with an 'inch punch' or side kick.
Ali's reach was probably longer than Lee's leg. Lee was an actor. He may have been ripped, he may have been fast, he may have been the god of wing chun, but he was an actor and not a combat athlete. He was tiny and a cokehead. He couldn't shoot, his subs were primitive at best even in his book. Just because he could draw pictures of subs doesn't mean he could effectively apply them in combat against a moving, fighting target. Antonio Inoki who was a bonafide shootwrestler at 6'3" and 225 pounds, couldn't take Ali down when Ali was way, way past his prime.
Next you'll be telling me Jean Claude Van Damme can KO Fedor because he beat Chong Li in Bloodsport.
Ali took hits from Sonny Liston, George Foreman, and Ernie Shavers. There's no way Bruce Lee is hitting harder than either of those guys even weilding a baseball bat let alone with an 'inch punch' or side kick.
Ali's reach was probably longer than Lee's leg. Lee was an actor. He may have been ripped, he may have been fast, he may have been the god of wing chun, but he was an actor and not a combat athlete. He was tiny and a cokehead. He couldn't shoot, his subs were primitive at best even in his book. Just because he could draw pictures of subs doesn't mean he could effectively apply them in combat against a moving, fighting target. Antonio Inoki who was a bonafide shootwrestler at 6'3" and 225 pounds, couldn't take Ali down when Ali was way, way past his prime.
Next you'll be telling me Jean Claude Van Damme can KO Fedor because he beat Chong Li in Bloodsport.
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gjohnson5 said:
But Bruce Lee beat up Bolo Yeung in "Enter The Dragon" and that was when Yeung was in his prime. The real superfight is between Bruce Lee and Jean Claude Van Damme. Didn't Muhammed Ali beat up Superman in 1978 according to DC Comics? This is getting tougher and tougher to call.
redsamurai
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well, I'm not convinced ali could step into an MMA ring nowadays and do damage to anyone. He was a great fighter.........he knew the rules of boxing and worked inside them better than anyone. But could he knock out rampage shooting in on him? What would happen if he fought Fedor? I understand all these guys are bigger than Lee ever was.........but there is something to be said that boxing inside a ring is different than boxing in a street fight.
acneman
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gjohnson5 said:
ahhhh
sup G
well here goes
do you need years of structured training to be a martial artist???
carlos newton was once introed in the ufc as a master of dragonball jiu jitsu!!is he a pussy? not! even now people are introed as free style fighters. who did they train with?? did they get a certification?
bruce, whatever you believe about his training or abilities, will be remembered for the creation of JKD.
he was mixed martial arts before MMA was cool.
he revolutionized martial arts by trancending style.
he trained with boxers, wrestlers, escrima guys, and more and incoporated thier skills into JKD.
could bruce lee beat ali in a boxing match???
i would say he has about as much chance in that fantasy world as he would of beating bobby fisher in chess.
to say none.
ok how about a street fight??
who cares.
they were both great in thier own way.
both will be remembered.
ok guys take your shots. im listening
redsamurai
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gjohnson5 said:
If I recall this shitty fight..........didn't Kimbo shoot in on Mercer and ground and pound him?
acneman said:
When Carlos Newton first started fighting, he got his ass whipped by a nobody named Jean Rivera or something like that. A lot of the freestyle fighters train with some of the top flight coaches and are already established in some combat sport.
The difference between someone like Bruce Lee and Carlos Newton is Carlos Newton trains like a combat athlete. The assumption is also that Bruce Lee truly cross trained, which from what I can gather he either sucked at grappling or eschewed it for flashier strikes. Carlos Newton gets repeatedly hit, twisted, and hurt in training. You can drill all the technique you want, fight in low impact competitions, but the whole world changes when someone hits you with bad intentions and can do it over and over again. Some men will freeze, some men will run, some men will automatically strike back, some men will modify strategy to compensate for your strikes to nullify them (ring generals). In most combat sports, when things aren't going according to plan you cannot yell, "CUT!".
I don't think in general I have anything I disagree with you about though.
Saintinistic
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cipherking said:
true. as soon as you limit a fighters style you place him/her at a disadvantage.
like fighting a Muay Thai fighter with Judo only rules against a Judo exponent. not fair.
but anything goes it would be fun to watch. a corpse and a shaky old guy. how "South Park" is that!
You cannot compare Lee to Ali, nor can you compare any of them to today's MMA fighters. Each fighting style is unique.
druncanwaria
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Im sure ali being a boxer would have had his fair share of fights outside the ring before possibly even during his career so even if it was a mma fight i dont think bruce would give it to him like some people are thinking.
plus ali is a heavy weight. What do u think the weight class difference is there? im guessin at least AT LEAST 15kgs (33lbs) think about how much harder bruce would have to fight if the weight was that different....
To answer the question id say ALI
plus ali is a heavy weight. What do u think the weight class difference is there? im guessin at least AT LEAST 15kgs (33lbs) think about how much harder bruce would have to fight if the weight was that different....
To answer the question id say ALI
druncanwaria said:
Bruce Lee was around 5'7" and 135# maximum.
F_Castle_82
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jet lee would murder ali. not that he is stronger or a better fighter, but ive never heard of them having to speed a camera up so you can see ali's movements clearly. ali was a great boxer, but i don't think he would lay a glove on bruce or jet. thats the prob. they are tiny first of all and FAST.
druncanwaria
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So are flysF_Castle_82 said:
F_Castle_82 said:
Actually cameras have been slowed down numerous times to slow mo Ali's combinations so you can see all of the punches and their devastating effect as is common with many boxing matches. If a boxer can work a double end bag accurately I would also guess his hand speed is up to par with a movie actor's and the boxer is hitting a rapidly moving target accurately simultaneously. The actor only has to rely on speed without accuracy as his strikes are supposed to miss.
You are correct though in believing Ali wouldn't lay a glove on Jet Li. Ali would likely land a barrage of blows in combination in a very short period of time as he "threw punches in bunches", hence he would lay upwards to 10 gloves on him in the span of a couple of seconds. Keep in mind much of Ali's boxing footage is also filmed with him wearing gloves that are greater than 3/4 of a pound in weight and that slows his hand movement.
SofaGeorge
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Ali would decimate any of the fighters mentioned. Ali was totally the top of the game when it came to boxing... and he studied TKD, judo, jujitsu, muay thai, and several other martial arts. Few people are aware that Ali was a rounded fighter because he so totally dominated boxing as one of the top heavyweights of all time.
If you took the boxing rules away and laid it down as anything goes... Ali would still have had game.
I wouldn't give Ali the easy win over some of the top MMA guys today... but for soemone like Bruce Lee or Jet Li it'd be an easy win for him. He'd kill them in the first half of the first round.
If you took the boxing rules away and laid it down as anything goes... Ali would still have had game.
I wouldn't give Ali the easy win over some of the top MMA guys today... but for soemone like Bruce Lee or Jet Li it'd be an easy win for him. He'd kill them in the first half of the first round.
This example somewhat applies: Calzaghe vs. Lacy. http://www.dailymotion.com/relevanc...deo/x3ia5h_jeff-lacy-vs-joe-calzaghe-35_sport. Watch at about 1:50 of the 6th round. At normal speed it looks like Joe throws 6 or so punches, but if you go to the slow mo at the end and count he threw 10 punches and 9 of them landed. Again keep in mind this is with gloves over 3/4 of a pound in weight and round #6 where fatigue must be at least a bit of a slowing factor. A boxer with fast hands can chew you up in a hurry.
At boxing?
Let's see... Ali was a typical out-fighter, closing up his body and using his superior speed and reach to win. And trained boxing every day of the week.
Lee trained many arts, in many dimentions. While his pound for pound power was amazing, it's still nowhere near the punching power of a pure world class boxer weighing 100lbs more than him. Add his shorter reach to that as well.
Conclusion: Lee would probably not even get 1 clean shot in, and even if he did, it would never have the knock-out power to hurt a guy like ali. If Ali can keep Lee inside his striking range but outside Lee's with his legendary jabs and movement, he would never get in trouble. Actually, most world class boxers would never get into trouble vs Lee.
Let's see... Ali was a typical out-fighter, closing up his body and using his superior speed and reach to win. And trained boxing every day of the week.
Lee trained many arts, in many dimentions. While his pound for pound power was amazing, it's still nowhere near the punching power of a pure world class boxer weighing 100lbs more than him. Add his shorter reach to that as well.
Conclusion: Lee would probably not even get 1 clean shot in, and even if he did, it would never have the knock-out power to hurt a guy like ali. If Ali can keep Lee inside his striking range but outside Lee's with his legendary jabs and movement, he would never get in trouble. Actually, most world class boxers would never get into trouble vs Lee.
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