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Bruce Lee VS Matt Hughes

It would have been worse than the Hughes Gracie fight. There's nothing Bruce Lee could do to even hurt Hughes and I dont care how many bricks he broke with his hands either. Hughes would break his fuckin face in about 30 seconds. Bruce Lee is a legend and from what I understand a myth and even if he was half of what legend tells Matt Hughes is bigger, stronger, tougher, better puncher, better wrestler, better grappler, better ground fighter, etc. As quick as he was suppossed to be who on this site has ever seen him fight? And im sure hughes would brush his attempts to strike away like swatin a fly. Hughes easily.
 
Have you ever seen the movie about bruce lee's life ... It's not a hollywood fiction , it's real .

Shit the guy had his back broke in a fight ... that real life not hollywood crap , times were very different back in lee's day . He was challenged by his piers and rose to the occasion with his new fighting style and had to fight for the right to teach it .

I have no clue who would win a fight against those two but to say hughes easily against bruce lee would be a mistake ... no one beats bruce lee easy , did you ever see any news reels of bruce demonstrating his six inch punch ? he put guys three times his size on the ground with a single shot to the solar plexes from six inchs away .

Not to mention lee was a master with the weapons , his hand speed to this day has not been matched by anyone . Bruce lee was one of a kind

Sure hughes is tough " but " he still has all the same pressure points that you and i have ... knowing how to exploit them is key .

In bruces day fights were face to face .. standing up , none of this wrestling or ground figthing or grapppling ... you stood there face to face and exchanged shots till one guy was finished . Shit even 25 years ago when i was a teenager if a guy was hit to the ground you left him there and gave him the choice to stay down or get back up for more .. we did'nt grab him by the hair and drag him to the curb so we could curb stomp the guy like a fucking savage .

It's no wonder so many guns and knives are used in fights today .. there little honour left
 
Well master of weapons have nothing to do with a fight... Oh and the fact that the people he fought and knocked down with his 6" punch were what about 150 lbs. with a cupcake soft midsection. Training has advanced and evolved light years and to say you believe the story of this dudes life is funny as hell. I also seen the Blade Trinity but I dont think Wesley Snipes is a badass lol. Please dont believe everything you hear or see from hollywood, did you think they were gonna make him out to be a pussy?! He was a karate style puncher aka slap and as for his hand speed theres no way he had enough ass to hurt Hughes or any decent fighter from todays era at that weight. Gracie would be a better discussion for who is better not Hughes. Im not on Matt's jock, weve worked out together before in Cleveland when he was learning to box but damn Bruce Lee never fought anyone real or good opponenets, name one dude he fought in real life that is a somebody? And you cant name that dragon or demon that the movie made up either LMAO. Dude had absolutely no defense at all and he fought with a broke back, im sure if that is even true they may have found a slight bone fracture the next day or something and damn I fought with broke hands, cheeks, nose, ribs, etc. and I dont think that is a defining moment in my career. Most people are still nieve and swept away by the myth and story of Bruce Lee and im sure in his day he was one of the best but I also noticed that in the 6" punch film he wasnt getting hit back nor was it an actual fight and im sure they were paid actors so he would become rich selling his style. He had speed that was unmached in his day (that we know of) he was a tough lil dude, fought alot of bullshit skinny rice heads with no fighting skills, he is a legend however theres no actual film of him doing anything but making movies and selling his videos and trainging. He was the first but by far not the best, I stick by my statement hughes in a first round KO. Look how much the sport has evolved since Gracie dominated those bar fighting opponents a decade ago and youre telling me Lee fought good small little chinese guys that had no real training the style was like a modern day aerobics class. Look at hughes face in training and look at any picture of Lee, Hughes puts in work.



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Gracie is old, one dimensional, and used to no time limits. He doesn't even count. Remember Hughes has been submitted. Anyway, Bruce Lee would put his fist and foot through anyone before they knew it. There's no comparison. Maybe in Ultimate Fighter Hughes is good, but one thing ppl forget about Bruce Lee's philosophy. Fighting systems in the ring are different from fighting in the real world. And Bruce Lee would fight, no holds barred, for the street fight experience, without any "system"
 
Well bruce lee put chuck norris on his can so fast chuck commented afterward he never seen a thing coming ... chuck is a fuck but lee taught him that systems don't work and fighting is a fluent situation and even gave chuck advise to look beyond his disipline and keep all options open during contact . lee was a master of reading body language and new what move you were going to make about 2 seconds after you decided

I've read pretty much every single book ever written about bruce lee so there is no need for me to type out 28 pages of post defending the guys accomplishments .. you can research that yourself then come back and read your own post and see if you still believe your own opinion .

I love to study fighters ... mainly because i spent 15 years in the ring myself and fought in 5 different weight classes over the years . My right hand has been broke three times and now my wrist is pinned so throwing haymakers is a thing of the past for me .... in my profile pictures there is a shot of me at 16 (1980 ) winning golden gloves in the 165lb class i went on to fight as a light heavy and heavy weight .

I never make eye contact during a match .. i read every punch coming off body positioning and foot placement , i studied lee's therioes extensivly in the late 70's and early 80's .

The six inch punch was an example and not intended for you to analize and rip apart .. if you watch the news reels you'll see the guys were all 6' plus and well over the 220 lb range ... the demonstration was showing how you can focus all your energy into a simple but highly effective movement if you can make a connection between mind and body .. lee was all about channeling energy , he was way ahead of his time


PS : Marvin hagler was my hero ... one tough black bastard
 
boxerjake said:
Well bruce lee put chuck norris on his can so fast chuck commented afterward he never seen a thing coming ... chuck is a fuck but lee taught him that systems don't work and fighting is a fluent situation and even gave chuck advise to look beyond his disipline and keep all options open during contact . lee was a master of reading body language and new what move you were going to make about 2 seconds after you decided


PS : Marvin hagler was my hero ... one tough black bastard
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No shit dude, and Chuck Norris has a bullet-proof beard. The best example of Lee's power is the fact he made a fkn 200lb heavy-bag explode with a kick. JFC.
 
This isn't even a comparison. Hughes is my favorite UFC fighter and I have no problem at all saying that this thread is ridiculous. Bruce Lee'd whipe the floor with him. Hughes is a great UFC Fighter, GREAT, but Lee was on another level.
 
Apparently the verdict is that Bruce Lee was an animal... My opinion on him will have to change significantly to view him as one. I ll do more research but it better be overwhelming!
 
toxicsambo said:
Gracie is old, one dimensional, and used to no time limits. He doesn't even count. Remember Hughes has been submitted. Anyway, Bruce Lee would put his fist and foot through anyone before they knew it. There's no comparison. Maybe in Ultimate Fighter Hughes is good, but one thing ppl forget about Bruce Lee's philosophy. Fighting systems in the ring are different from fighting in the real world. And Bruce Lee would fight, no holds barred, for the street fight experience, without any "system"
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Word! K to you bro'
 
heavyweightchamp said:
Apparently the verdict is that Bruce Lee was an animal... My opinion on him will have to change significantly to view him as one. I ll do more research but it better be overwhelming!
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Ok wait were talking about Chuck Norris, Damn... Another TV fighter with some bull shit Kung Fu fucking online brown belt. Cmon dog you gotta come with more than that, I downloaded everything that has to do with Lee on limewire and his punches look like shoe fly shoe, they were fast but most of them had special effects and sound added. Fuck this bullshit about taking the time and concentrating on hand and mind with one single punch, as if theres time for that in any style of fight, and this shit about him knowing what you did 2 times ahead of what you actually did? Right, yo I dont even know what im going to do it's ALL reaction and fluidity I dont THINK about anything. Maybe a made for TV documentary and books of bullshit made him sound like a God but trust me son he wasnt. The dudes in the 6" punch were not 200 lbs and even so what is amazing about, that the shorter the punch the more force, thats science? He's a fraud... WHO since him has done anything with his style? NOONE! His son was an actor just like his daddy and were both killed for betraying secrets of their own heritage of another country's style of fighting to America to profit from it. Chuck Norris is a candy cane to me, In recap the verdict is that a 130 lb. man who is most popular for his movies and style teaching in an era of terrible 125lb. chinese fighters with NO proof of anything legit besides hear say with NO ACTUAL FIGHTING because thats whats were talking about fighting right? Not his book that you mentioned or movie that was the first mentioned in favor for him, not his style or concentration, not his superior speed or dedication, not the dragon he fought (lmao) were talking about fighting, FIGHTING! Tell me something I havent already heard or read or seen in dvd's or movies or any type or portrait. Give me proof with fighting, fighting. And certainly not Chuck Norris or Billy Blanks, those comments are very amateur like golden gloves trophy's. America made him look great and in his day he was the best out of his competition which included Chuck "Walker Texas Ranger" Norris, Billy Blanks, Mcgiver, Kung Fu bullshit, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Jean Claude Van Halen, and the dragon. PAH LEESE! Rocky Balboa to some people is an American icon (on screen) and if his story is told 50 years from now there's some little kid same age as we were when we heard Lee's story with no prior knowledge fed the lies of his domination that believes it. Unfortunately the debate could go on forever because it will never happen but on a brighter note I trained with 7 decent to well known fighters today and mentioned this debate and besides the histarical laughs when asked about how bad Bruce Lee really was compared to todays fighters I received comments as follows "who's directing the film because if he was actin in Rocky 7 that might be a draw", "dont argue with fools", "karate is a non factor in todays fight game", "I heard he could catch a fly in mid flight with his eyes closed but I heard that when I was a little kid", "who is telling you how mean he was the book, the movie, or his family members", " he would kick your ass Beast" etc, etc. Real talk player.
 
I must be uneducated on this dude and thats fine with me because it's either mad dudes got respect for him or people think he's a joke. From what people always told me and movies I watched I thought he was a hollywood character like the last dragon or some shit, Ill have to do more fact finding but until then im still not convinced.
 
Bro your mind is made up ... the way you word your posts reminds me of the folks who think americans have never set foot on the moon because the video footage does'nt look realistic ... thats good logic

What you have failed to realize is guys like bruce lee and chuck norris ( who i think is a joke ) are the guys who paved the way and inspired others to step up to the plate and take challenges to another level , one generation always picks up where the next left off .... bruce lee brought more positives then negatives to the fighting scene whereas many of todays styles were born from his teachings or from guys who studied him and added there own twist .

Your asking and looking for something you'll never find .. you want to know what big ass bastard lee kicked the crap out of as some kind of proof ... what you fail to realize is we're talking about the 60's and 70's not 2006 .. shit back then boxing was hardly even considered a sport and B&W TV was a luxury if you even had one , shit we never got our first TV till 1972 .. all of 1 channell

Fighting was not what it is today , lee died before passing any fighting skills to his kids so comparing them to him is not accurate , unfortunatly they were out to make money off his name .

PS : Yes golden gloves is amatuer but none the less i have over 125 fights in 5 different weight classes with 4 loses in 15 years , stepping into the ring is never an easy task however you attempt to belittle it .
 
heavyweightchamp said:
I must be uneducated on this dude and thats fine with me because it's either mad dudes got respect for him or people think he's a joke. From what people always told me and movies I watched I thought he was a hollywood character like the last dragon or some shit, Ill have to do more fact finding but until then im still not convinced.
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We're talking about Bruce Lee right? O.k, well just to clarify, Lee did NOT believe in kung-fu only. He was the first person to advocate mixed martial arts. That's what made so many elite kung-fu experts crazy. Lee was proficient in boxing/ju-jitsu/wing-chun/akido/judo/kali/muay thai, and penak silat. If he felt someone would prevent him from effectively punching, he would move to kicking. If kicking didnt work, he'd resort to a ground game and use ju-jitsu and choke someone out. I think youre watching too many movies and not relating the actual expertise of Lee. Jeet-Kun-Do IS a mixed martial art and very few schools in the U.S even have a REAL program from it's association that's run by Lee's Best student Dan Inosanto.

You should do some serious reading bro. It will open your eyes.
 
Plus Tai chi chuan his father started him on , also missing from the above list hung -gar and Jik Chung Chuy which he studied in high school in hong kong where he fought a reigning two time boxing champion from britian .. lee knocked him " OUT " ....

The above link for the 1 inch punch came from the 1964 long beach international karate championships where lee was invited as a special guest by Ed Parker .
he also performed the 2 finger ( index and thumb ) pushup as well as his 2 foot striking speed which was measured at 1/500 th of a second .

Lee died in 1973
 
" Lee claimed that after arriving in san francisco his theories about teaching martial arts to non asian students gave him enimies in the martial arts community .A contest between lee and WONG JACK MAN a practitioner of northern shaolin kung ku was set up .

Witnesses to the fight claim it went in excess of 20 minutes with lee being the victor which was disputed in the chinese pacific western weekly paper by WONG who challenged lee to a rematch ... lee never responded

lee's view on the fight was it took to long because traditional martial arts were to rigid and formalistic to be practical in senerios of chaotic street fighting , so thus was born his system with emphasis on practicality flexability speed and efficiency " Jeet Kune Do

Now i don't know about you " but " to me that sound like a street fighter not a ring fighter
 
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toxicsambo said:
We're talking about Bruce Lee right? O.k, well just to clarify, Lee did NOT believe in kung-fu only. He was the first person to advocate mixed martial arts. That's what made so many elite kung-fu experts crazy. Lee was proficient in boxing/ju-jitsu/wing-chun/akido/judo/kali/muay thai, and penak silat. If he felt someone would prevent him from effectively punching, he would move to kicking. If kicking didnt work, he'd resort to a ground game and use ju-jitsu and choke someone out. I think youre watching too many movies and not relating the actual expertise of Lee. Jeet-Kun-Do IS a mixed martial art and very few schools in the U.S even have a REAL program from it's association that's run by Lee's Best student Dan Inosanto.

You should do some serious reading bro. It will open your eyes.
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BoxerJake made some good points and his knowledge of fighting may have helped him view Lee as he does because he fought long enough to have some idea of styles and such.
 
boxerjake said:
" Lee claimed that after arriving in san francisco his theories about teaching martial arts to non asian students gave him enimies in the martial arts community .A contest between lee and WONG JACK MAN a practitioner of northern shaolin kung ku was set up .

Witnesses to the fight claim it went in excess of 20 minutes with lee being the victor which was disputed in the chinese pacific western weekly paper by WONG who challenged lee to a rematch ... lee never responded

lee's view on the fight was it took to long because traditional martial arts were to rigid and formalistic to be practical in senerios of chaotic street fighting , so thus was born his system with emphasis on practicality flexability speed and efficiency " Jeet Kune Do

Now i don't know about you " but " to me that sound like a street fighter not a ring fighter[/QUOT

Im not a FAN of anyone, im a professional. I dont read books, I read my opponent. I fight for a living. For belts. To pay my bills. What you know about that??? Get on my level before you call me out.
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Im not a FAN of anyone, im a professional. I dont read books, I read my opponent. I fight for a living. For belts. To pay my bills. What you know about that??? Get on my level before you call me out.[/QUOTE]

Who's calling you out ?

I'm 42 years old ... been there and done that even bought the T-shirt , after spending a nickle for accesory to manslaughter i choose my battles with a little more care and attention then i use too ... calling somone out on an inter-net forum is like winning at the special olympics even if you are the victor your still a retard in the end ....

Relax and don't take everything so personal .... :)
 
boxerjake said:
Im not a FAN of anyone, im a professional. I dont read books, I read my opponent. I fight for a living. For belts. To pay my bills. What you know about that??? Get on my level before you call me out.
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Who's calling you out ?

I'm 42 years old ... been there and done that even bought the T-shirt , after spending a nickle for accesory to manslaughter i choose my battles with a little more care and attention then i use too ... calling somone out on an inter-net forum is like winning at the special olympics even if you are the victor your still a retard in the end ....

Relax and don't take everything so personal .... :)[/QUOTE]


LOL no im not dude I was just being a total dick thats all... I know absolutely nothing about Bruce Lee or that style of fighting bro and give you mad props for your boxing career, shit you got more experience than me. Maybe we should bullshit more about boxing... Sounds like you got many years under your belt and I have listen to any advice from elders and guys with ring time. You ever think about training fighters? 42 too damn dude do you still mix it up at all? Dont take what I said personal it was all for jokes and im a complete dickhead most of the time and mean no harm to anyone out of the ring. Even my lady says I joke too much just how I am. Lol I told you you got my props man. If you got time to share ring secrects let me know killer.
 
Cheers ...

I coach young kids at the local club ... the oldest i work with is a 16 , he fights as do 2 15 year olds i help . The rest are younger and just learning foot work and body positioning right now . I alway teach the retreat first , knowing how to escape trouble is more important then the attack ..... once we finally move into punching i'm big on " NOT TELEGRAPHING " punchs , the one that always gets you is the one you never seen coming , that part of there training is huge .

I still spare maybe a dozen times a year but not as intense as the skill level of the students is very entry level plus i've made my body something not very conducive to throwing punchs . Weights and boxing mix to a very limited extent , then you become a little akward .

Great fighters are born not made .... is a birth right just like any pro athlete , the aggresion grit and determination are not something you can train for , you have to have that first and then hone your skills around your natural ability . I've seen hundreds of guys come thru the gym trying but just don't have the heart .. sure they could throw a punch and even take one but once they were faced with an opponent of equal skill they did'nt fair very well ...

Anything you want to know just ask ....
 
Nice man! Hey I was doing a little talking with Tommy my trainer and we got onto the Bruce Lee subject because as I said I know nothing about the dude really and he told me 2 key things: 1. He challenged himself every single day (to go way beyond what was expected) 2. He was an extremist (like taking pain killers and relaxers before training to see how his body worked with a warped mind) shit is crazy and he's lending me a few of his books. Anyways he didnt sway either way with Hughes or Lee... Yeah bro id like to hear some extreme training techniques, weight training, diet, in ring advice, and any advice you can.
 
Hey guys...new here.

Your question is unanswerable.

hahahaha -

Seriously though. People have been comparing fighters of different weights, styles, and time periods since the beginning of time - there is just no way of knowing.

I've studied quite a bit about Lee, and I'ved watched MMA since day one. Lee was a moviestar...but he was also the real deal. Matt is also the real deal.

If I wanted to know the answer to this question I would first ask myself if they would be fighting in a ring or oustide of the ring.
This is crucial. Matt would probably beat him in a ring.....I may give Bruce chances outside of a ring though...Lee could box, and was extremely fast..so he could use huge amounts of space to equalize.

STYLE MAKE FIGHTS...but so do conditions.

Think about Gracie...Gracie lost....but you know what? It was still the longest fight on the card that evening...which means it was more competitive if you ask me. That says something about Gracie. Fighting hasn't changed in the UFC..the rules have - and the competition is higher. Gracie is a grappler period. If you changed the rules to Gracie vs. Hughes....JUST GRAPPLING...I would put my money on Gracie....even when Matt had the Kemora...he couldn't stop Gracie. He beat Gracie with strikes. WHen gracie has tried to deal with all of these ground and pounders...he has had to change his style and it has effectively ruined him...he beat the early guys because.
1. They stank at striking.
2. He was a better grappler.

Now he is still a better grappler than most (even if just a little bit) but way worse at striking which effectively tilts the table.
 
oh this is easy, Bruce Lee I will even tell you how.


First bruce lee will do a spinning kick thing, then matt will hit bruce, then bruce will say ouch, then bruce pulls out his nunchuks and beats the shit out of matt.

simple, was that that hard.

yall are so difficult.
 
LOL this thread is hilarious, Matt Hughes would kill Bruce Lee, I like Lee and have read a few of his books and studied Jeet Kun Do for a little while. But Matt Hughes would take him down in a second and submit him with ease. Jeet Kun Do doesn't have any ground work and we've all seen what happens if you don't have any ground game.

With all respect for Lee, I don't know how you could compare a movie star from 40 years ago to one of the greatest MMA fighters of today.
 
Reakt said:
Jeet Kun Do doesn't have any ground work and we've all seen what happens if you don't have any ground game.
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Yes, it does. I went to a jeet kune do school. Shit, you can watch Return of the Dragon and in the beginning of the movie he has somebody tapping out. Bruce Lee didn't recommend ground fighting if there was objects such as sharp glass on the ground that could hurt you. Obviously you don't want to grapple if somebody can get a hold of a rock while you are on the ground and smash it into your skull either. He believed in adapting to whatever the situation called for. To be ready in all areas possible. He didn't have a superman attitude. He even said, somebody pulls a gun on you, it doesn't matter how good you are, because once he pulls the trigger, it's over.
 
Bruce Lee was a perfectionist, he did everything in his power to be the best he could. However today there are a lot more ways of training available.
 
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