Brand New and Confused

[BLM Shot]

Hi there, I am brand new to this game. I have been active my whole life as leading a healthy lifestyle is the number one important thing to me. I have been an avid hiker since I was young and have been trail running for about 10 years now. Also mixed in has been rock/ice climbing, mtn biking, snowboarding obsessively and various other outdoor activities.

The past 2 years I have been getting into lifting weights. I lift, not to get big, but to add strength for my other activities. The most important activity I want to add strength and endurance is my job. I work 16-24 hour days for up to 21 days at a time with 2 days off before doing it again. I hike into very hot and smokey areas in steep terrain with about 80 pounds (depending on what I am carrying) on my back.

I am thinking about beginning a cycle to help my crumbling body keep up with the younger kids in my job. I am focused on endurance first and was looking into EPO. Finding info on EPO is not as easy as other treatments. Regardless, the more info I find the more I realize I do not know. If I enter into this, I want to be sure I do it correctly as I am looking to improve myself not do damage.

I am hoping to find advice and guidance on taking EPO and if it is right for me. I thought EPO would improve my endurance while helping with lifting (again not looking to get huge just some strength improvements). I want to run and hike (my job is A LOT of hiking) faster and longer. I am also looking to gain more explosive power in my legs for hiking in steep terrain. I train very hard running and hiking already- I just need a little extra.

Any thoughts?

I am 35
195 lbs
6'2"
I lift 3 times a week
I run/hike/bike 5 times a week

I am much more disciplined about the cardio than the lifting. However, the lifting is becoming more disciplined.

This is where I may get a "we can't help you response" I do not pay close attention to my diet. That is not to say I eat poorly. I think I eat very well/healthy. I just do not look to consume X amount of carbs, protein, etc

I eat a lot of veggies and fruit. As far as carbs and protein go, I try to eat a lot of protein and some carbs. If I am going to have a particularly hard run I will eat more carbs. In short, I eat what I feel my body needs and I drink a TON of water.

Just a last note. I do not yet have any gear as I wanted to be sure this was right for me and I could do it safely. I also have no clue where to get legit gear, but that is another problem that I will have to figure out. I also have no clue how much I should take.

Advice on dosage and how often is very welcome. Also, if you feel I would be better served by other products, either in place of or in addition to EPO please inform. Also, a recommended PCT would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance for all your help and advice. I am looking forward to upping my performance.

 

[goal245]

I would not recommend that you do the EPO.

500mg test per week will help you recover and will raise endurance. You should also eat more carbs as they will give you more energy for your endurance activities.

 

[BLM Shot]

Thanks goal. If I were to take 500mg of test a week how would I break that up on a daily basis? How long should I take it for? What kind of test? And do I need a PCT and if so what would that look like?

Thanks again

 

[75th]

Thanks goal. If I were to take 500mg of test a week how would I break that up on a daily basis? How long should I take it for? What kind of test? And do I need a PCT and if so what would that look like?

Thanks again

Test is test, but with test enthanate you would be able to break the doses into 250mg/twice per week. Yes, you would need PCT.

That doesnt really matter, however, because in my opinion after reading your original post I dont see the need (or why you would have the desire) to take test or any other steroid. If youve been exercising for a while thats great, but youve only been lifting seriously for 2 years.

If your main goal is more energy and endurance, chances are tweaking your diet would more than accomplish what youre looking for without the use of any compounds.

So yeah, dont do steroids.

 

[BLM Shot]

Yes my main goal is endurance while gaining more strength. However, I guess I am looking for quicker recoveries also. I feel I have worked very hard to get where I am, but I would like a little help. I appreciate your advice to not take em and, to be honest, that is the direction I am leaning.

Bottom line is that I want to recover faster ,while getting stronger and faster, and I am noticing that at my age I do not recover as fast. My job really puts a pounding on the the body so I am looking at all my options.

All points of view are appreciated as I am just learning. Keep it coming.

 

[eClenbuterol]

To take is your decision, however test at your age willl make you feel on top of the world.(test that is)

 

[stevesmi]

are you a sheep guide or something like that?

if you take test it will probably help you at your job but all good things have to come to an end.. and then you will have to do PCT and then you will be back to the drawing board. so it will be a temporary solution. so I dont think steroids is your answer here aside from a temp fix

 

[goal245]

Thanks goal. If I were to take 500mg of test a week how would I break that up on a daily basis? How long should I take it for? What kind of test? And do I need a PCT and if so what would that look like?

Thanks again

If you use test enanthate or cypionate then you can split it up into 2 injections per week. If you only want to do 1 injection per week because of your work schedule you can use test undecylanate. You might also need arimidex incase you develop gyno.

You can do the cycle for 12-16 weeks and there is a great sticky on pct in this forum.

 

[BLM Shot]

are you a sheep guide or something like that?

if you take test it will probably help you at your job but all good things have to come to an end.. and then you will have to do PCT and then you will be back to the drawing board. so it will be a temporary solution. so I dont think steroids is your answer here aside from a temp fix

Thanks Steve. So are you saying that the gains I will get while on test will diminish as soon as I am off them? I train my butt off anyway, but I want some help to get me to the next level. If teat gets me to the next level only for me to lose those gains once I am off it then I don't think it is for me. I was hoping that I would see gains in strength and endurance while on it and be able to maintain that when I got off it.

Any help here, I think, would push me off the fence one way or the other.

 

[BLM Shot]

If you use test enanthate or cypionate then you can split it up into 2 injections per week. If you only want to do 1 injection per week because of your work schedule you can use test undecylanate. You might also need arimidex incase you develop gyno.

You can do the cycle for 12-16 weeks and there is a great sticky on pct in this forum.

This is great info Goal. Once my 12-16 weeks is up, I would then do a PCT? Once all this is done do I keep the strength and endurance gains I acquired over the cycle? A good looking body and big muscles are a bonus, but will the strength and endurance remain?

Sorry if this all seems like dumb questions, but I don't know much and I want to educate myself before I try.

 

[goal245]

This is great info Goal. Once my 12-16 weeks is up, I would then do a PCT? Once all this is done do I keep the strength and endurance gains I acquired over the cycle? A good looking body and big muscles are a bonus, but will the strength and endurance remain?

Sorry if this all seems like dumb questions, but I don't know much and I want to educate myself before I try.

You will wait for 2 weeks after the cycle and then begin the pct. You will not lose all the gains you made, you will definitely keep a good amount as long as you keep eating enough food and training hard.

At your age you could also consider talking to your doctor about HRT if your natural testosterone levels are low. This way you will not worry about pct and will keep all the gains.

 

[metalfujimi]

I agree with goal. a good diet and pct will help you keep your gains and HRT is a possibility

 

[KenBraggofCarroltonGA]

he's avid about his cardio and sort of deicated/passionate about working out at 3 times a week? His body has aged for 30 somethings years doing outdoor activities, not really pushing iron. If test is considered, maybe an hrt from his doc may be a route IF aas is desired(even though his weightlifting foundation i would think is not ready). His levels may be naturally low enough for a prescript hormone replacement. If he just wants a kick then he may only need 100mg/twice a week, since he's never done aas and never truly weightlifted for a few years.
Maybe he wants to try sarms as a first?

Another thing, if his endurance for hiking, climbing,running etc is where it is, his heart rate I would imagine is high for long durations. He works 16-24 hour days at a rather high cardio like pace. We inject 500 mg a week but do what 1.5 to 2 hrs days of intense lifting. If he does aas at moderate to high levels(his body's first time), his blood pressure may be high all day long, not to mention his long long working days.
Just a thought or two

 

[BLM Shot]

he's avid about his cardio and sort of deicated/passionate about working out at 3 times a week? His body has aged for 30 somethings years doing outdoor activities, not really pushing iron. If test is considered, maybe an hrt from his doc may be a route IF aas is desired(even though his weightlifting foundation i would think is not ready). His levels may be naturally low enough for a prescript hormone replacement. If he just wants a kick then he may only need 100mg/twice a week, since he's never done aas and never truly weightlifted for a few years.
Maybe he wants to try sarms as a first?

Another thing, if his endurance for hiking, climbing,running etc is where it is, his heart rate I would imagine is high for long durations. He works 16-24 hour days at a rather high cardio like pace. We inject 500 mg a week but do what 1.5 to 2 hrs days of intense lifting. If he does aas at moderate to high levels(his body's first time), his blood pressure may be high all day long, not to mention his long long working days.
Just a thought or two

This is great. It sounds as though you are looking at my situation in a little different light. I would agree that my lifting is not very advanced at all. I only lift to stay strong for my job and activities not to get huge.

It sounds like less could be more for me from this quote. Any other thoughts or further information on what I should begin with for the desired gains I am looking for- endurance and more power to my legs (I understand the proper lifting is needed here) with added overall strength- not a lot of weight gains (light is better for my job) maybe 10 pounds tops.

I am glad I found this forum as I am getting more real info than others I tried.

SARMS sounds interesting. Seems to be mild with little to no negative side effects. Any other thoughts and hmmmmm......where to get something like this that is legit? I wonder where I would look.....

 

[RADAR]

This is great. It sounds as though you are looking at my situation in a little different light. I would agree that my lifting is not very advanced at all. I only lift to stay strong for my job and activities not to get huge.

It sounds like less could be more for me from this quote. Any other thoughts or further information on what I should begin with for the desired gains I am looking for- endurance and more power to my legs (I understand the proper lifting is needed here) with added overall strength- not a lot of weight gains (light is better for my job) maybe 10 pounds tops.

I am glad I found this forum as I am getting more real info than others I tried.

SARMS sounds interesting. Seems to be mild with little to no negative side effects. Any other thoughts and hmmmmm......where to get something like this that is legit? I wonder where I would look.....

Welcome to elite BLM i never caught your age? whats a typical work day like? any hard core lifting, pushing???
Just trying to get an idea of your lifestyle to see where we're going.


RADAR

 

[goal245]

SARMS sounds interesting. Seems to be mild with little to no negative side effects. Any other thoughts and hmmmmm......where to get something like this that is legit? I wonder where I would look.....

if you want sarms just click >> > SARMS <<<

 

[BLM Shot]

Thanks Goal

Hi Radar. I am 35. Typical work day is during the summer (winter is for training for the summer) I would not say there is any hard core lifting/pushing. I work with a 50 pound pack on my back usually for 16 hours at a pop. We hike into our job with everything we need to be self sufficient for up to 30 (usually 14-21)days with chopper support for food. I will either swing a chainsaw or other tool for those 16 hours. I know this is somewhat vague, but there are not many of us out there and with the topic I am asking about- so for self preservation purposes....

 

[BLM Shot]

if you want sarms just click >> > SARMS <<<

Thanks. So this is legit? How much would I take each day? How long would I take it?

From What I have read it seems I would take 50mg/day? I weight 195.

That stuff is $150 for 100mg. Hmmmmm...... seems like it could get pricey.

 

[RADAR]

Well with that type of job the best thing you can get if they will allow it is proper food and protein.some var might help but with that type of job it is going to be difficult to build a foundation on it but you will get those muscles you use daily a good feeding.
I would use Winter to go to a gym and do a full body workout hitting each bodypart (chest,shouldsrs tri's)Each on a different day (lats,rows,Bi's)
(squats,leg curls,extensitions ,calves ) every 4 days i would devote some time to abs.Good luck
RADAR

 

[BLM Shot]

Well with that type of job the best thing you can get if they will allow it is proper food and protein.some var might help but with that type of job it is going to be difficult to build a foundation on it but you will get those muscles you use daily a good feeding.
I would use Winter to go to a gym and do a full body workout hitting each bodypart (chest,shouldsrs tri's)Each on a different day (lats,rows,Bi's)
(squats,leg curls,extensitions ,calves ) every 4 days i would devote some time to abs.Good luck
RADAR

Yup, I eat a ton! In the winter I train hard. I was hoping to add something over the next 10-12 (or however much is recommended) weeks to step things up a bit. Once the job starts I would be back to normal. I was hoping to get some good gains and then carry that throughout the summer.

 

[goal245]

That stuff is $150 for 100mg. Hmmmmm...... seems like it could get pricey.

its 100mg/ml you get 30ml, so you get 3000mg for the price which will last 60 days at 50mg/day

 

[BLM Shot]

Aha! Some not so good math on my part. Do you have any thoughts on SARM? and would 50mg/day be good for me considering my weight, age, and desired outcome. SRAM seems like something my pet rat could take if I had him out in the field with me.

EDIT: I just read a post that 1-3mg/kg is needed to see gains. I guess I would be looking at somewhere around 200mg/day.

 

[goal245]

Aha! Some not so good math on my part. Do you have any thoughts on SARM? and would 50mg/day be good for me considering my weight, age, and desired outcome. SRAM seems like something my pet rat could take if I had him out in the field with me.

EDIT: I just read a post that 1-3mg/kg is needed to see gains. I guess I would be looking at somewhere around 200mg/day.

I think testosterone would be a better choice then SARMS in your case.

Most people take 50-100mg of sarms per day. You run the risk of getting vision side effects if you take 200mg sarms per day. SARMS is not a mass drug, you are not going to add tons of muscle on it but it will harden you up and wit will help with fat loss.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I don;t know what's going on here lately but I'm seeing a lot of people talking out of their asses.

You want to increase RBC count for endurance purposes? Take 2 dianabol a day. That'll increases RBC. See how it goes.

Anything you take will be temporary.

35 is too young to consider HRT if you've never used steroids.

Continue studying.

People throw dosages around like they're talking about ordering lunch.

 

[eliteandy]

I don;t know what's going on here lately but I'm seeing a lot of people talking out of their asses.

You want to increase RBC count for endurance purposes? Take 2 dianabol a day. That'll increases RBC. See how it goes.

Anything you take will be temporary.

35 is too young to consider HRT if you've never used steroids.

Continue studying.

People throw dosages around like they're talking about ordering lunch.

Best advice yet. Ive been reading/asking questions for years and still haven't ran a cycle. Way more to this stuff than it seems at first.

 

[KenBraggofCarroltonGA]

Thanks Goal

Hi Radar. I am 35. Typical work day is during the summer (winter is for training for the summer) I would not say there is any hard core lifting/pushing. I work with a 50 pound pack on my back usually for 16 hours at a pop. We hike into our job with everything we need to be self sufficient for up to 30 (usually 14-21)days with chopper support for food. I will either swing a chainsaw or other tool for those 16 hours. I know this is somewhat vague, but there are not many of us out there and with the topic I am asking about- so for self preservation purposes....

so ur a logger? american logger? u dont have to answser that.

 

[BLM Shot]

Best advice yet. Ive been reading/asking questions for years and still haven't ran a cycle. Way more to this stuff than it seems at first.

Yup that is what I am finding. I will research this until I am 100% comfortable with what I am doing. That may never happen, but it is fun to educate myself nonetheless. I am now thinking I may look toward winter before starting a cycle. That will give me plenty of time to learn what will be right for me.

With that said. I appreciate everyone's advice and it has all been helpful and keep it coming. The more I learn here, the more I research elsewhere also.

Not a logger Ken

 

[Varga]

I would not mess aroud with steroids for what you want to do. Your levels are prob not that low if you do all this work of 16 hours per day and to go on HRT for no reason is not smart but the only thing Im inclined to suggest is IGF and/or HGH. The reason for HGH is that will allow you to heal quicker, build moderate mass and strength at the same time working in conjuction with your testosterone. Igf builts mass too, actually will build new muscle fibers in time (approx 6-9months). And that extra muscle might be what you need to increase endurance and be a bit stronger which in term increases endurance with proper exercise.
It will take a bit of thought to incorporate these 2 compounds since it will take some time to see results but the results are permanent. I've messed around with these compounds and I wish I did them before I did steroids years ago. Is not cheap but worth looking into it
just a thought

 

[redshirt27se]

you work 16-24 hour days for up to 21 days at a time with only 2 days off? Find a new job. Running any kind of cycle at this point is going to be counterproductive because you won't be getting anywhere near the amount of rest to take full advantage of it.

a couple issues i see based on your post.

A) when do you even work out if your schedule looks like that?
B) i highly doubt your diet is where it should be with those hours
C) lack of REM sleep



what the hell do you even do?

 

[BLM Shot]

you work 16-24 hour days for up to 21 days at a time with only 2 days off? Find a new job.Ahhhh, but I love my job. Running any kind of cycle at this point is going to be counterproductive because you won't be getting anywhere near the amount of rest to take full advantage of it. I am not currently working- I am in my training season.

a couple issues i see based on your post.

A) when do you even work out if your schedule looks like that?
I only work in the summer. Winter is for training.

B) i highly doubt your diet is where it should be with those hours
Diet is terrible in the summer. Just throwing calories of any kind down my throat to keep the fire buring

C) lack of REM sleep
During the job, we are guaranteed 8 hours down after each shift, then back at it again. Generally it is 16 on 8 off with longer days mixed in. My body is beat up, I am exhausted, I drop weight like crazy.



what the hell do you even do?

I am not looking to do this during the work season. I was hoping to get a cycle in before the start of the season. However, now I am looking to doing it next winter- when I am not working

Varga, HGH is what I originally starting looking into last season. It is a bit cost prohibitive, however I can afford it. Any thoughts on how much I would take, for how long, and how often? Also, can I stack it with EPO? I am still interested in EPO as I am an endurance athlete. I am not just looking to bulk up. I want to get stronger, stay lean, and improve speed and endurance.

So with that said. When winter comes next year, I may be looking to do HGH and EPO if the two can go together safely. Any advice on these two (how much, how often, how long, PCT?) Keep in mind I am not looking to get huge- I run half and full marathons as a part of my training and being huge is not desirable for running long distance.

 

[truckdaddy]

Give sarms a shot

 

[BLM Shot]

Give sarms a shot

SARMS is interesting to me. Since I have decided to wait on EPO and HGH (by the way can I stack the 2 together, how much of each, how often and how long with what PCT for these two?) I may try SARMS.

I think I would do 50mg/day. How often would I do this (times per week) and for how long? Also, I think I would go with a PCT as the literature and posts I have read seem to indicate it is needed. What PCT would I run. Again, how much, how often, and how long.

Please keep in mind MY size and goals when recommending dosages.

 

[truckdaddy]

SARMS is interesting to me. Since I have decided to wait on EPO and HGH (by the way can I stack the 2 together, how much of each, how often and how long with what PCT for these two?) I may try SARMS.

I think I would do 50mg/day. How often would I do this (times per week) and for how long? Also, I think I would go with a PCT as the literature and posts I have read seem to indicate it is needed. What PCT would I run. Again, how much, how often, and how long.

Please keep in mind MY size and goals when recommending dosages.

run 50mg ed for 4-5 weeks, no PCT is needed. But if you are concerned. I would throw in some HCGenerate.

Bump your BCAAs through the roof.

 

[BLM Shot]

run 50mg ed for 4-5 weeks, no PCT is needed. But if you are concerned. I would throw in some HCGenerate.

Bump your BCAAs through the roof.

Thanks, sounds good. A couple of questions: How much HCGenerate? When to start it? how often to take it? How long to take it for?

Also (sorry for my ignorance) what are BCAA's?

 

[RADAR]

Thanks, sounds good. A couple of questions: How much HCGenerate? When to start it? how often to take it? How long to take it for?

Also (sorry for my ignorance) what are BCAA's?

BCAA'S are Branch Chain Amino Acids needtobuildmuscle "GEAR" is loaded with it.
I don't think you want any HCGenerate where you're at unless there is plenty of women.

RADAR

 

[BLM Shot]

Wow! I am learning so much. I appreciate all the info here. Now that you guys have given me a foundation of information I have been able to use the search button a lot more and the flood of information has me rethinking my situation.

For now, I am going to dial in my diet, add some natural supps and get a more solid foundation before getting gear. I feel I have a good foundation now, but I want to get this right the first time. Since the summer does not really allow for me to regulate my diet (just stoke the fire with whatever calories I can get) or maintain training (the job just beats me up and beats me down) and I can lose anywhere from 15-30 pounds over the summer- I will wait until next winter, when I can be sure I am doing it properly, to start.

After researching, I have decided to go with eq with T-bol, maybe var. Eq for endurance and tbol with a burst of strength and the var for cutting. Would these work together? Any advice what a cycle might look like with these? Also, would I run test also?

I will likely not being doing this until Jan/Feb so I have a lot more time for research and feedback from you guys. Man, am I glad I found this forum!

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks Steve. So are you saying that the gains I will get while on test will diminish as soon as I am off them? I train my butt off anyway, but I want some help to get me to the next level. If teat gets me to the next level only for me to lose those gains once I am off it then I don't think it is for me. I was hoping that I would see gains in strength and endurance while on it and be able to maintain that when I got off it.

Any help here, I think, would push me off the fence one way or the other.

if you run a proper PCT you will keep a lot of your gains.

my concern is the pumps you will get from hiking. it will feel like your calves and shins are cramping up from the blood rushing into them. i can run half a mile then i start feeling major pumps and have to stop while on cycle. i literally dont even have to workout my legs from the pumps i get when i run!
i would imagine hiking you will get the same thing. and you wont be able to work, but you will definately grow ur leg muscles if you can handle the 'pump'

you can give it a shot and see what happens and experiment.. lets us know how it works out

 

[redshirt27se]

if you run a proper PCT you will keep a lot of your gains.

my concern is the pumps you will get from hiking. it will feel like your calves and shins are cramping up from the blood rushing into them. i can run half a mile then i start feeling major pumps and have to stop while on cycle. i literally dont even have to workout my legs from the pumps i get when i run!
i would imagine hiking you will get the same thing. and you wont be able to work, but you will definately grow ur leg muscles if you can handle the 'pump'

you can give it a shot and see what happens and experiment.. lets us know how it works out

That sounds like terrible advice. Just because you get a good pump from running does not mean you should neglect working out your lower body.

 

[stevesmi]

That sounds like terrible advice. Just because you get a good pump from running does not mean you should neglect working out your lower body.

when did i say not to work out your lower body?

did u read the thread?

the guy is a hiker concerned with increasing his job stamina, not a bodybuilder concerned with building muscle.

and I stand by my post as a half marathon veteran and 5K champion.. .juicing WILL NOT benefit him in his situation. end of story.

I workout while on cycle my legs, but I damn well sure cannot hike or run long distances. if you can then you got some fake juice there or dont know how to run properly.

please tell me a steroid that will help increase your endurance without causing painful pumps or raising your HR, would love to know as a runner.. oh yeah, it doesn't exist.

 

[skaman007]

This is great info Goal. Once my 12-16 weeks is up, I would then do a PCT? Once all this is done do I keep the strength and endurance gains I acquired over the cycle? A good looking body and big muscles are a bonus, but will the strength and endurance remain?

Sorry if this all seems like dumb questions, but I don't know much and I want to educate myself before I try.

you can inject just ONCE aweek with test eth or cyp too...

 

[Nelson Montana]

run 50mg ed for 4-5 weeks, no PCT is needed. But if you are concerned. I would throw in some HCGenerate.

Bump your BCAAs through the roof.

I think a natty PCT wouldn't be a bad idea -- UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE, and HCGenerate. And instead of BCAA's, get some Need2 GEAR.

 

[redshirt27se]

when did i say not to work out your lower body?

did u read the thread?

the guy is a hiker concerned with increasing his job stamina, not a bodybuilder concerned with building muscle.

and I stand by my post as a half marathon veteran and 5K champion.. .juicing WILL NOT benefit him in his situation. end of story.

I workout while on cycle my legs, but I damn well sure cannot hike or run long distances. if you can then you got some fake juice there or dont know how to run properly.

please tell me a steroid that will help increase your endurance without causing painful pumps or raising your HR, would love to know as a runner.. oh yeah, it doesn't exist.

a half marathon, no. but high intensity cardio on a cutting cycle is common. i may have misinterpreted some of what you said earlier, but you weren't entirely clear either. regardless no need to snap at me, i wasn't attacking you, just disagreeing.

 

[KenBraggofCarroltonGA]

if you run a proper PCT you will keep a lot of your gains.

my concern is the pumps you will get from hiking. it will feel like your calves and shins are cramping up from the blood rushing into them. i can run half a mile then i start feeling major pumps and have to stop while on cycle. i literally dont even have to workout my legs from the pumps i get when i run!
i would imagine hiking you will get the same thing. and you wont be able to work, but you will definately grow ur leg muscles if you can handle the 'pump'

you can give it a shot and see what happens and experiment.. lets us know how it works out

when i first read this - it sounds like your saying he'll get such a 'pump' that is all he needs for his legs.

when i'm on cycle I can run u around 3 miles a couple of times a week with no problem. but even on days i don't run unless i get in an extra 500-700 mg of taurine and potassium i'll cramp up in the evenings.
But camparing a running day to a ass-to-floor squat doesn't come close to a good leg workout.

and i am using legit stuff.

 

[redshirt27se]

when i first read this - it sounds like your saying he'll get such a 'pump' that is all he needs for his legs.

when i'm on cycle I can run u around 3 miles a couple of times a week with no problem. but even on days i don't run unless i get in an extra 500-700 mg of taurine and potassium i'll cramp up in the evenings.
But camparing a running day to a ass-to-floor squat doesn't come close to a good leg workout.

and i am using legit stuff.

thank you. at least i'm not the only who found that misleading.

 

[metalfujimi]

thank you. at least i'm not the only who found that misleading.

dont worry bro, I thought the same thing you did

 

[BLM Shot]

Since I am going to wait for next winter to begin using juice I was hoping I could get some advice on some natty supps. I realize this is a steroid section, but since I have the thread started and you guys have some background- I thought it would be appropriate to ask here.

Here is my current workout:

Cardio is in times as I have stopped shooting for mileage- something I read to do. It is helpful as time is set and that is how long I will run and I can speed up or slow down according to how my body feels. It is a nice boost for the mental aspect of cardio training.

Mon: run 50 minutes; chest & back
Tues: run 1hr 5min; bi's, tri's & shoulders
Wed: off cardio; lower body
Thurs: run 1hr 5 min; chest and back, but much easier day than Mon
Fri: run 45-50 min; bi's, tri's & shoulder, again, much easier than Tues
Sat: run 2hr 30- 3 hrs; lower body- easier than Wed then a slow run in the evening to keep it loose.
Sun: rest, sleep, and eat a lot.

I do abs everyday except Sun, but really crush em on Wed

As I said my cardio is dynamic and is not always a run. I also swim, bike and a lot of hiking (with and without weight on my back).

I am sure there will be many critiques of my work out. PLEASE critique as it is very welcome. My cardio is what it is and is dynamic, but I feel I have it dialed in for what I need.

In addition to critique, what are some natural supps I could be taking. I have Body Mortar BCAA's on order. I already use SyntheSize, Cytomax and a little protien for a pre workout in addition to a good amount of morning carbs.

I use Cytomax, protein, creatine, and glutamine for post workout. I have Volu-Gro on order.

I feel I am seeing more gains with these supps that I am currently running than before I used supps.

Would HCGenerate be beneficial to add? I am interested in this as it is a test booster. Is it legit? Will it help overall endurance, speed and stamina? Will it help me get cut, harder (ummm.... muscle), stronger?

My diet is really coming into line with what it should be (I think) and I will post after I have dialed it in.

 

[goal245]

You should only train each bodypart once per week. There is no reason to train abs everyday, you wouldnt train legs every day and abs are no different. Remember you grow when resting not when working out.
With all the cardio you are doing you should not expect to put any significant amount of muscle.

I would still take testosterone over the other stuff suggested like SARMS. You are putting alot of stress on your body with your training, your cortisol levels are high etc. The testasterone will lower cortisol and greatly improve recovery.

Natural supps you should use:,
whey protein,
waxy maize mixed with BCAA, EAA and creatine during your workouts and cardio (add crystal light for taste or flavored creatine.).

 

[BLM Shot]

You should only train each bodypart once per week. There is no reason to train abs everyday, you wouldnt train legs every day and abs are no different. Remember you grow when resting not when working out.
With all the cardio you are doing you should not expect to put any significant amount of muscle.

I would still take testosterone over the other stuff suggested like SARMS. You are putting alot of stress on your body with your training, your cortisol levels are high etc. The testasterone will lower cortisol and greatly improve recovery.

Natural supps you should use:,
whey protein,
waxy maize mixed with BCAA, EAA and creatine during your workouts and cardio (add crystal light for taste or flavored creatine.).

Thanks goal. So I shouldn't work out the same muscles twice a week even though I am going much lighter on the weight the second time around? It just seems to feel good to get some blood flowing to those areas. I hear ya on the abs, but I think I will continue with abs more than once a week. maybe not as much as I am doing currently.

I would like to do test. However, I will not be able to run a proper cyle and PCT before the season (my job) really gets going. I am looking at running a cycle starting Jan or Feb. I am thinking of running Eq, T bol, and Test. How does that sound for what I do?

Again, I am not looking to get big (lighter is better in my job), but stronger. I realize that with the cardio I will never put on a lot of weight.

I may run some SARMS for about 4 weeks before the season with some Nolva and Clomid for a PCT as I read a SARMS log with blood work and it was needed.

 

[goal245]

Thanks goal. So I shouldn't work out the same muscles twice a week even though I am going much lighter on the weight the second time around? It just seems to feel good to get some blood flowing to those areas. I hear ya on the abs, but I think I will continue with abs more than once a week. maybe not as much as I am doing currently.

training each muscle par 1 per week is ideal as you will be able to work out with higher intensity. Your split will have to change to train each bodypart once a week.

example split

monday: quads and hamstrings
tuesday: chest and traps
wednesday: back
thursday: no training
friday: triceps and shoulders
saturday: bis and calves
sunday: no training

this split is good because when you train a primary muscle (ex. chest) the secondary smaller muscles are fresh (tris, shoulders) allowing you to stress the chest more. same goes for back and bis.

I would also work out in the morning and do your cardio later on at evening time, this way you are fresh for the weight training session.

and yea test , eq and tbol would be good for your goals

 

[ArmaniAK47]

Everyone that says tweaking your diet would more than do the job in place of steroids is FULL OF SHIT.

Steroids work and they work damn well.. I don't care if you're a pro hopscotch player- your game will improve using steroids.

You're aging each day.. Your testosterone count drops more and more.. and as such: you will only get weaker and recover less..

We have to delve into the question of what kind, but the point remains the same.. Steroids will do you way better than "tweaking a diet", and in a different way.. comparing the two is apples to oranges, really..

As for the 'temporary fix' claims.. I 100% disagree. Steroids permanently change you for the better even if you drop off all the way.
What you should do, if you've decided to use steroids, is establish a "base" level of testosterone (via injection) and return to it after cycles of heavier doses.
Say... 100-200mgs each week. Then, when ON cycle.. take 500-ish mgs and some anavar, perhaps.

No pct needed, just drop back to the 100-200mgs of testosterone when you need to take a break.

This of course, could cause permanent sterility.. but that is arguable.. there have been men on permanent testosterone replacement for 30 years, hop off and have kids... so..

Don't let anyone fool you; the juice works.. It will do things "adding apricots" or any other bullshit can't do.

 

[BLM Shot]

Thanks Goal for the input. I will change over to that regiment next week.

Armaniak, I love the attitude!

I had not read anywhere, yet, about just staying on Test. You are saying during a cycle and after for recovery also here? I am 35 so I am sure my T is dropping. I am not sure I would do that right out of the gate for my first cycle experience, but it is interesting and I will be sure to research it more.

I think what I would like to do now is get my baseline numbers first before I even start to dabble. Should I just go to a doc? I have no insurance and I am sure blood work is expensive. Are there any online blood work options I can order that re legit?

What should I be asking about when I get my blood work?

 

[stevesmi]

a half marathon, no. but high intensity cardio on a cutting cycle is common. i may have misinterpreted some of what you said earlier, but you weren't entirely clear either. regardless no need to snap at me, i wasn't attacking you, just disagreeing.

wasn't getting snappy at all. i just dont want this guy to get 'the reality check' of ridiculous pumps when he is trying to earn a paycheck or in the middle of his half marathons.

on harder surface i can make it half a mile.. on softer surface I can go farther while on cycle. but the pumps are massive that i've experienced to the point where i get off the treadmill and have to immediately sit on the floor.

also keep in mind I live in an area of the world that is ridiculously hot and humid 10 months out of the year so i dont have the luxury of running on softer surface, so maybe I am a bit more biased in my views. but dont get me wrong.. I LOVE to feel the pump, but I dont think I would like it while I am in the middle of a 12 hour hike lol.

 

[BLM Shot]

wasn't getting snappy at all. i just dont want this guy to get 'the reality check' of ridiculous pumps when he is trying to earn a paycheck or in the middle of his half marathons.

on harder surface i can make it half a mile.. on softer surface I can go farther while on cycle. but the pumps are massive that i've experienced to the point where i get off the treadmill and have to immediately sit on the floor.

also keep in mind I live in an area of the world that is ridiculously hot and humid 10 months out of the year so i dont have the luxury of running on softer surface, so maybe I am a bit more biased in my views. but dont get me wrong.. I LOVE to feel the pump, but I dont think I would like it while I am in the middle of a 12 hour hike lol.

Thanks Steve. This is why I initially inquired about EPO. Cardio is my main focus and when I refer to endurance I am referring to running 15-20 miles at a 7min30sec/ mile pace. I also pound out mileage hiking- not only for work, but training can involve a hike/jog for up to 100 miles. 100 miles is rare, in fact, only one an off-season- just to do it.

I feel I train hard, but I want to get faster and more powerful. At this point, I feel , I have reached a plateau and need a little gear to push me to the next level.

With that said would Eq, Tbol, and Test be good to run in the off season? I have decided I will run nothing during the season. I am looking to start in Jan or Feb of 2011. My runs are much shorter (30-40 min.) at a slower pace that time of year. I push more weight that time of year. By March I am becoming more run focused.

How long would the cycle go and what would it look like (dosage and how often)?

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks Steve. This is why I initially inquired about EPO. Cardio is my main focus and when I refer to endurance I am referring to running 15-20 miles at a 7min30sec/ mile pace. I also pound out mileage hiking- not only for work, but training can involve a hike/jog for up to 100 miles. 100 miles is rare, in fact, only one an off-season- just to do it.

I feel I train hard, but I want to get faster and more powerful. At this point, I feel , I have reached a plateau and need a little gear to push me to the next level.

With that said would Eq, Tbol, and Test be good to run in the off season? I have decided I will run nothing during the season. I am looking to start in Jan or Feb of 2011. My runs are much shorter (30-40 min.) at a slower pace that time of year. I push more weight that time of year. By March I am becoming more run focused.

How long would the cycle go and what would it look like (dosage and how often)?

tough call man.. I will tell you after running my last cycle I haven't been able to get back to being as fast as before. keep that in mind. probably a combo of being more bulky + not being able to put in the mileage while on cycle has put me behind.. but i knew that going in and was cool with it.. looking to be stronger and bulkier, rather then have a runners body.

 

[BLM Shot]

tough call man.. I will tell you after running my last cycle I haven't been able to get back to being as fast as before. keep that in mind. probably a combo of being more bulky + not being able to put in the mileage while on cycle has put me behind.. but i knew that going in and was cool with it.. looking to be stronger and bulkier, rather then have a runners body.

Yeah, I'm not looking to get big. Just more solid and more lean. I have actually put 30 pounds on over my weight last year at this time. I feel more solid and I can run just fine at this weight. I don't want to put more than 5 pounds- maybe 15 max. I would like to get a bit more cut and solid.

This is why I was thinking run a cycle when I am not doing a ton of running and then end that cycle as I am moving into hardcore cardio training.

I am thinking it would look like: Eq, Tbol, Test in Jan or Feb. I am not sure how long each one would go for, but as April approaches I am thinking of ending that and looking into a light EPO regiment.

I will be researching when I can over the next few months to really dial in my program.
Currently I am thinking:

Eq- 200-300mg/week (not sure how to break that up daily-suggestions?) for 14 weeks

Tbol- 15mg/day for 4 weeks

Can I add Var after the Tbol?

Test- Test Enanthate 200mg every 4 days 1st 8 weeks then 100mg evey 4 days next 8 weeks

Arimidex- 2mg/day

EPO- last 2 weeks of April (I will be researching doses)

Anything else I am missing? What is good for liver function? Blood Pressure meds? Cholesterol meds?

I will read more in depth PCT on the Sticky.

 

[goal245]

a good cycle with the compounds you listed would be:

1-4 tbol 40-60mgs/day (15mg isnt going to do anything)
8-12 anavar 40-60mgs/day
1-14 eq 400mg/week (split into 1 or 2 shots, doesnt realy matter)
1-16 test e 500mg/week split into 2 shots (ex. 250 monday, 250 thursday)

arimidex .5mg EOD if needed.

I would advise against epo, 400mg of eq will give you same results with additional recovery benefits as well as being much safer. (cyclists die each year from epo related heart attacks)

 

[BLM Shot]

a good cycle with the compounds you listed would be:

1-4 tbol 40-60mgs/day (15mg isnt going to do anything)
8-12 anavar 40-60mgs/day
1-14 eq 400mg/week (split into 1 or 2 shots, doesnt realy matter)
1-16 test e 500mg/week split into 2 shots (ex. 250 monday, 250 thursday)

arimidex .5mg EOD if needed.

I would advise against epo, 400mg of eq will give you same results with additional recovery benefits as well as being much safer. (cyclists die each year from epo related heart attacks)

Thanks Goal for the info. I was trying to stay on the conservative side of dosage- hence the low mgs I was thinking. If what you suggested is on the conservative side then I am looking forward to this cycle.

As far as the EPO goes, I will be doing quite a bit of research to see if it can be done safely. However, if after my cycle I feel the Eq got my RBC up and I feel great for long distance then I simply won't do EPO for that reason. I do have my suspicions on the cyclist deaths. Yes, they are from EPO, but could there be other factors?

I am thinking that the deaths are from EPO in addition to some other factors like possibly taking too much for too long. Taking high dosages while training at high altitude, possibly additional blood doping, and the extremely low resting/sleeping heart rate of these world class athletes. They could also (likely) be sleeping in a altitude chamber in their trailers in between stages. This is all just a hunch as I have no real info or data to back it up.

I do think that all or some of these in conjunction with EPO use increases the dangers.. There are many successful EPO users that use lower doses and watch their hemocrit levels. I think the cyclists were likely pushing the limit, but there can be a safe area to stay within.

If the Eq takes care of my endurance- this is moot and it will just be fun to do the research.

 

[Varga]

tough call man.. I will tell you after running my last cycle I haven't been able to get back to being as fast as before. keep that in mind. probably a combo of being more bulky + not being able to put in the mileage while on cycle has put me behind.. but i knew that going in and was cool with it.. looking to be stronger and bulkier, rather then have a runners body.

That's a trade off from bulking to get a bit slower. I think the main goals is to reduce body fat as much as possible into the single digits, and keep doing cardio during the duration of the cycle.
You cant really be super strong and run a marathon we just not built for that but I think there is a middle ground where you can be relatively strong and have a lot of endurance. I think for the goals listed I would try to stay on the lighter side as far as the body weight goes.

 

[BLM Shot]

That's a trade off from bulking to get a bit slower. I think the main goals is to reduce body fat as much as possible into the single digits, and keep doing cardio during the duration of the cycle.
You cant really be super strong and run a marathon we just not built for that but I think there is a middle ground where you can be relatively strong and have a lot of endurance. I think for the goals listed I would try to stay on the lighter side as far as the body weight goes.

Yup, I am trying to figure out where that middle ground is. At 200 I am running at a pretty good clip (8:15 miles, but I can push more) I don't want to gain too much more- maybe 5 to 15 lbs if I am dropping fat in favor of lean, hard muscle. I think just the amount of cardio I do will prevent too much in weight gain. But, I just don't know never having done juice before.

 

[Varga]

Yup, I am trying to figure out where that middle ground is. At 200 I am running at a pretty good clip (8:15 miles, but I can push more) I don't want to gain too much more- maybe 5 to 15 lbs if I am dropping fat in favor of lean, hard muscle. I think just the amount of cardio I do will prevent too much in weight gain. But, I just don't know never having done juice before.

It's easy on paper to figure stuff out but your body will tell you for sure in real world where that middle ground is.
The thing with AAS is to keep doing cardio but do not reduce calories to the point of it working against you. Just keep the diet lean and clean low in fat good in complex carbs and lean protein but keep it at around 3000 cal per day and see what results you get. if you feel flat and hard to recover go up 500cal more. THat will take care of the losing fat part. Im thinking for you to gain 5-8lbs of lean muscle and maybe drop 10lbs of fat. So even though you may end up at 195 you will be stronger and faster.