Boycott The Movie: Pearl Harbor

[Dread Lord Good Guy]

This movie is a disgrace to American veterans, and a bad film. Those japs did the same terrible atrocities that the Germans did. The difference is the Germans accepted the idea of fucking up where as these japs still refuse any responsibility. Hell, the japs think it is not their fault for going to war with America.


“In the United States, it will be 'a few less dirty Japs.' In Tokyo, it will be 'a few less Japs.' Disney says that it has crafted toned-down versions of the film for its release in Japan and Germany.”

http://www.msnbc.com/news/577317.asp?0nm=A12L


Fuck Disney.

 

[Kakdiesel]

For once in my elitefitness history, i have to agree with dread lord guy...the japanese were and still are an evil government. Everybody in east asia hates them. They have (in history) invaded almost every country in the far east and have made them slaves at one time or another.

I know from my parents' stories, that when my grandparents were children, the japanese invaded South Korea and took over. THe schools, government, everything was turned into japanese. They made every school teacher teach japanese in the classroom forcing children to learn it as their new language, and also taught japanese propaganda to the kids. My grandmother was raised for a few years thinking that Japan was doing them a favor and was the superior nationality.

I'm with Dread lord,

FUck Disney and most certainly Fuck Japan

 

[thefantom1]

Look what the Japanese did to China...... someone posted a link here a while back about it and to read it was horrible....made the Nazi's look like school yard bullies.......

 

[havoc]

I Like Won Ton Soup.

 

[WODIN]

And sushi it kicks ass!!!

Actually guys and gals if the Japanese had not bombed Pearl Harbor we would have held out of the war by probably another 6 - 12 months. This would have given Germany and japan they needed to execute their plan to route through China to and Europe and meet in Iran. IF the axis coalition had achieved this result of forming a border from Norway To the middle of China to the coast and with control of the oil reserves in Iran/Iraq. Then WWII would have had a greater death toll and we might have had of nuked half the world, rather than two cities in Japan.

 

[tomcat]

I Like WonTon Soup.
And sushi it kicks ass!!!

Shark Fin Soup YUM!

 

[_Outlaw]

Time to drop another BOMB!!!!!!!

 

[TxCollegeguy]

I don't see how the Japs attitude about Pearl Harbor has anything to do with not watching the movie.

I think this movie should be considered a tribute to the mem. of those who died there and given it some historical perspective for people today. I don't see why we should care what the japs think. We beat there ass once and now they can't do shit about it.

 

[YellowD]

The only thing bad about the movie is that its told from a typical American only perspective. Just like the old war movies, they villainize the Japs as a subhuman crazed race of people that are out of their mind. I wonder how different it would be if told from a Japanese perspective. Very heroic and one of the most successful attacks in WWII history. Don't act like the Americans don't have shit behind their ears too, we've done some pretty terrible things that make Pearl Harbor look like a picnic.

 

[tomcat]

Don't act like the Americans don't have shit behind their ears too, we've done some pretty terrible things that make Pearl Harbor look like a picnic.

Yea, Like Scrappy hittin-it into Goats..

 

[TxCollegeguy]

well why would we care to tell it from the side of the japs?? we are Americans and thats all that matters. I don't sympathize for anything they went through. I personally think we should have nuked one of their larger cities.

one of my grandfathers served in the pacific the other in Europe

One was nearly beaten to death by Nazis

the other almost burned alive in fire while working in the engine room on an aircraft car. after kamakizis were succesfull in crashing into the ship he was on.

Our own govt allowed the attack to take place so I don't exactly think their attack was perfect. This was the only way we could get into the war.

 

[ORGANON CANON]

Don't act like the Americans don't have shit behind their ears too, we've done some pretty terrible things that make Pearl Harbor look like a picnic.

Seriously, I mean America has probably done worse then any country excluding Germany with Hitlers rain of terror.

 

[ORGANON CANON]

The main reason I see not to watch the movie is that it glorifies Peral Harbour and War itself.

 

[TxCollegeguy]

well lets not forget Stallin, or the women and children who fell victim to mustard gas courtesy of Mr Husein, or how about the thousands of POW's that were captured tortured or murdered by the Japs and Vietnamese

Don't forget about the civilians who were treated the same way by the Japs in WW2

What Atrocities has the U.S. performed that can even compare to that??

 

[chesty]

Whether or not you see the movie, do not bad mouth what we suffered at Pearl Harbor. More than 5,000 Americans were murdered on Sunday morning and for most militarypersonell they were in chuch or something. Second, over 1500 sailor's died abord the USS Arizona when it sank. Only they didn't die right away, they were entombed in darkness and suffocated to death, tapping on the bulkheads for help from above and all we could do was listen to them die.

The japenese made a mistake and their greatest military man Admiral Yamamato, even admitted as such.

I personally have nothing against the Japenese today, but for those who took part back then in Pearl Harbor, may their souls rot in hades for all eternity.

And don't even think of giving me that shit about how bad or worse we were. Just keep that to yourself!


To give you an idea about japenese knowledge of Pearl Harbor.

A while back there were American Sailors/Marines at the Arizona Memorial, and there were a bunch of Japenese tourists there. One of them turned and asked where they were and if they were at the USS Arizona. One of the Sailors turned and said, "YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW, YOU, PUT HER HERE"

They have know idea about what they did then.

 

[YellowD]

And don't even think of giving me that shit about how bad or worse we were. Just keep that to yourself!

Sometimes its better if we close our ears and our minds off to the things we don't want to hear.

 

[danielson]

have you guys seen the movie 'Tora, Tora, Tora'.....i think its a pretty fair account of pearl harbour and onwards right up to the batle of midway, and it accounts both japanese and american perspectives, its a decent movie, not the crap hollywood seems to be churning out now (i haven't sen pearl harbour yet so ill reserve judgement and all that)

oh and lol@tomcat

 

[TxCollegeguy]

I remember watching that movie...

 

[Mitchellm]

I cannot believe all the racist and bigoted comments on this thread. And, I thought the Japanese Americans were being overly sensitive when I read they were concerned about anti-Asian resentment when this film comes out. If this thread is any indication, they have reason to be (and calling them "Japs" doesn't help).

The German atrocities far outweigh anything the Japanese did. The Nazis were literally taking over Europe and doing their damndest to wipe out the entire Jewish population while they were at it, while the United States (FDR in particular) wouldn't even get involved in a war raging in Europe for years until the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. And, you say the Germans have somehow atoned for their crimes because they supposedly "accepted the idea of fucking up"? There are still Nazis all over the world, including right here in the United States who still revere Hitler as a "martyr". How many movies have been made showing the evil that Nazis do? Countless. Yet, I don't hear anybody saying that "Krauts" are evil or fuck Germany. So, if you want to talk about "invasions" of other countries or the evils of the Japanese, let's not leave out the Europeans and the many countries they've invaded and taken over (the United States included).

You bigots need to stop showing your ignorance. It's appalling.

 

[cyberflash]

I can't believe you guys are still on to this. The Japs of 1940s is not the Japs of 2001 !

Not to flame .... but for the info of Kakdeisel, the Japs enlisted several Korean officers, who were just as cruel to other Asians... heck, the Korean officers under the japanese army, were even more cruel according to historic accounts in Southeast Asia and China ...
... but this was 60 years ago ... the world has changed ...

the Movie (i haven't seen it) ... is suppose to be a reminder that we should not go to war ... because nobody wins in war ... sure, you win battles, but a lot of people get killed by this stupidity.

The war you should be thinking about is Right Here, Right Now .... there is still a lot of racial discrimination and hate crimes ...

The important thing is to learn from history and that countries who go to senseless wars are losers .. it's a waste of lives.

The US, British, Spain, Dutch, French, and other colonizers of the 18th and 19th century are just as guilty as debauchery of people they conquered.

In the 1980s (especially during Republican rule), the US sponsored a lot of dictatorship ... these are leaders who opress poor people ... in Latin America, Southeast Asian, Africa, and other countries. Why do you think US embassies around the world are occasionally bombed ... do you really think it's the people there that are evil? .... you can't begin to imagine how the US foreign policies have interferred with the lives of people's ..

All superpowers (US, Japan, France, UK, China), they have some deep shit sins ... all are guilty as hell.

don't blame the citizen's (most are innocent), blame their government and their leaders ...

Amen

 

[ORGANON CANON]

Sometimes its better if we close our ears and our minds off to the things we don't want to hear.

Just what I was thinking. Chesty starts going on about how many people died in Pearl Harbour, well how many soldiers, ooops, I mean civilians did those little "revenge nukes" kill. I await a worthy argument from you.

 

[ryker77]

This is SAD !!
Chesty is the only one who has the guts to stand up for those who gave thier lives fighting for our American rights. And all you tree-huggin pukes can think about is war is bad. Well no shit. But when you are faced with an enemy that is willing to do anything to take over your RIGHTs then you can either fight or be a pussy and run.
I am heated over this cause my grandpa and his four brothers fought in WWII and one didn't come back.

Organon Canon you have no clue as to what the Jap Army was willing to do to win the war. We could have sent in the troops and lost a huge number of American fighting mens lives. We could have also just sat at home and let the Japanese take over our country. Just how many American civilian would have lost thier lives in that scenerio?

 

[danielson]

well, most agree (i.e. those that dropped the bomb, and thiose who made it), that they didnt have to drop it to end the war. japan was prepared to surrender before the dropping of it as their navy layed in tatters and they had a fast decreasing airforce.

ther bomb was more to do wirth the US (and the UK) showing off their new weapon to the world and demonstrating to the russians they had the ultimate weapon. the US refused Japans surrender unless they surrendered unconditionally. most agree that the surrendercould have been accepted but that would mean the bomb wouldn't have been able to have been used outside a test (and they already did that at trinity). hiroshima and nagisaki did, for one thing, provide accurate information of the effects of the blast on children and adults, how any birth defects would last for many years, where in radius from ground zero most fatalitites would die etc.

oh and tree-hugging pukes? equating a lack of patriotism with a strong belief in environmentalism is kinda flawed dont ya think (and probably what governments take great glee in, when they realise the majority of the populace view environmanetalist like this)

this film should be about the horrors of war, and what happens when 1 country strikes another. i hope they, like in tora, tora, tora focus in on the fact that the US potentially could have done more to protect their fleet (and if the carriers were in port that wouldn have been america effectiovly finished navally), and equally the piss poor japanese reason their declaration of war didnt make it stateside in time.

 

[purevil]

No shit Wodin! That soup does kick ass havoc!

 

[ORGANON CANON]

This is SAD !!

Organon Canon you have no clue as to what the Jap Army was willing to do to win the war. We could have sent in the troops and lost a huge number of American fighting mens lives. We could have also just sat at home and let the Japanese take over our country. Just how many American civilian would have lost thier lives in that scenerio?

I know just as well as you do my friend. I had several relatives in this war including my Grandfather who went in at 18 and came out 24. He was there for the hole things and watched every single one of his friends die. I have heard many stories, but Pearl Harbour is just one of the many battles of the WWII and it sounds to me like you think the attack was outta the blue. You do realize they had a reason for comming right?

 

[tomcat]

HELLO!! Ever hear the expression "ALL's FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR"?
I doubt there is a single Country(except maybe canada jk) that hasn't committed some level of atrocity
against it's Enemy's, It's Enemy's Civilians or even it's own people during War Time.
The Difference to me is whether or not that Goverment accepts responsibility and tries to help re-build afterwards.

The US, Germany Italy, Japan, UK etc. all have tried at different levels to get over the wars and also keep dragging up issues that occured.

Remember... WAR IS HELL, not FAIR... All we can do is minimize the number of conflicts we have, and try to limit thier losses..

 

[Anodyne]

Bigotry

I totally agree with Cyberflash and a number of others. Times have changed and people have changed. We live in a world that is more harmonious with less paranoia. Every nation has had its share of evils, whether they like to admit it or not. What the Germans and Japanese did was attrocious, but then again Vietnam and all of that shit was bad too. I'm totally sick of reading threads posted which blatantly promote racism, homophobia and all kinds of shit. Some of you bros are equating the ethic of bodybolding into an anarchistic philisophy which includes putting down others, like a survival of the fittest kind of thing. This is bullshit! Bodybuilding is about improving oneself to the best of one's ability and that includes mentally, with a healthy respect for not only oneself but those around us. Sorry to say this friend, but I get the impression that you (Dread Lord Good Guy) are an ignorant racist. And the worst thing is you probably don't even know it, 'cos u can justify it with crap like self-rigteousness for a historic war which has been forgotten in the corridoor of time and forgiveness. A war that you had no part in and which is not of your time. Think carefully about what u say.

 

[GLP]

Fucking A to Chesty and the other bro who agreed with him!

 

[danielson]

sorry, my oprofile should read london, england

dont worry about the flame thing, i take little on the internet personally, and were just debating shit anyhows so it aint like u insulting me. i keep forgeting theres a london in america, or canada or something.

as for what i said about the japs wanting to surrender, yes, they were looking to get out of the war. publicly the emperor was like 'we fight to the end' but in some program referring to the nukings on BBC2, historians and those that were around then have said that japan wanted to give up, but not unconditionally, it had a lot of conditions that would have been possibly unfair to the US or something, but anyhow the US was having none of it. they wanted a full surrender, the japs not knowing any better went screw it, and then the nukes happened.

but the scientists that developed the bomb were being told to build it quickly as they may not get a chance to use it + it was needed to demonstrate to other countries (i.e. russia) that the US was now very powerful. now i wasnt saying that the US should do a land assault 'cos if it were a choice between a land assault and crippling your enemy from the air in one blast, most would choose the bomb, plus japans very mountainous and all that. but what im saying is they could have accepted the surrender on those conditions. the information is based of what peole have said (the scientist might be feeling a bit guilty after building that bomb in the first place), none of its been officially released so it might be a little suspect. but its likely to be true, for instance its unlikely they would have agreed to your huge presence on okinawa (thank sod they did though because if not, who knows what the chinese and russians would be geting up too!)

 

[cyberflash]

AS I HAVE SAID TIMES HAVE CHANGED and !!!

THE JAPS OWN HAWAII NOW ... SORRY GUYS ...

AND THE GOVERNOR OF HAWAII IS ASIAN ...

In case you didn't know, when Japs became an Economic superpower in the 1980s and 1990s, they bought all the hotels and resorts in Hawaii ....

they even bought Hollywood ... maybe you should carefully look at the stockholders of these companies.

What the Japs failed to accomplish with military power in the 1940s .... THEY SUCCEEDED with economic power in the 1980s and 1990s ....

Now, they own Hawaii ... as I've said "times have change" ... sure, we defend our rights ... but now ... that's for sale .... you've been had !

 

[cyberflash]

The REPUBLICANS sold Hawaii to the JAPs vigorously in the 1980s and early 1990s .... Reagan & Bush ... made lots of money ...

Have you seen RAMBO II ... he thought he was patriotic .. but he got screwed by the politicians...