Jay, he's a fucking little prick whose parents didn't whip his ass when he was a smaller prick. Fuck him, he has no idea what he's talking about. As a matter of fact, I'll bet he could n't get up with 315 w/o the box. Shit if he put 315 on his back and tried to get off the box he'd end up glued to the fucker. Hell, he can coem over to my house and prove it to me if he wants. I'll won't even make him clean the shit stains he leaves on the box. I have 4 guys I train with in the garage and I'll bet the weakest one(and he's real freakin' weak could whip his ass on the box.