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Bodybuilders Are Stronger Than Powerlifters!

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Why are bodybuilders considered weak and powerlifters strong?

Its quite different! Boidybuilders dont train for size, they train for stregth and that is why they are larger than plifters!

Lets me explain.

Powelifter does
500pounds for 4 reps

Meanwhile bodybuilder does
225 pounds for 16 times in the same time.


Sure 225 pounds is less than 500 pounds... BUT. 225 * 16 = 3600 pounds lifted. 500 x4 = 2000 pounds.

Bodybuilder lifted 1600 more pounds than PL did.
Then our powerlifter takes a 5 minute break since he almost ripped his chest doing 500 pound bench.

Our Bodybuilder takes only 1 minute brake and does another similiar set.

Eventually bodybuilder has lifted like 10,000 of more pounds of weight than plifter. Guess who will grow more???


Sure plifter is stronger than bber in 1-6 rep ranges... But overally bodybuilder lifts MORE weight!

Like arnie said "there are different kind of strength. I may lift 500 few times, but you lift 400 10 times and I couldnt do that."

(rough quote).

And now, note to myself * put a big fire coat, I expect lots of flames from angry powerlifters. But hey , it is their fault that they dont lift enough damn weight!!!!!!***
 
Oranges vs. Apples

Its is hard to compare the two. Powerlifter have the ability to lift more easily. But they train for that type of movement, you really can't expect to use really good form for more reps cause the don't train that way. I'm not knocking powerlifter or bodybuilders. Bodybuilders lift more weight per session that is because they train that way..... so basically you are comparing Oranges vs. Apples.
 
LOL!! Alex, you never cease to amaze me.

Tell you what, I can lift 3lbs about a thousand times. I must be the strongest man alive. :rolleyes:
 
gymtime said:
LOL!! Alex, you never cease to amaze me.

Tell you what, I can lift 3lbs about a thousand times. I must be the strongest man alive. :rolleyes:
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NO. lifting something 1000 times would take too much time. And hey you are only doing 3000 pounds total.
In that time my grandma could lift more!
 
SSAlexSS said:


NO. lifting something 1000 times would take too much time. And hey you are only doing 3000 pounds total.
In that time my grandma could lift more!
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Boy... you got me there.....don't I feel like a dumbass. :p
 
gymtime said:


Boy... you got me there.....don't I feel like a dumbass. :p
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It is ok gymtime. DOnt feel bad!

We all say dumb thing, we are all start our life being dumb!!
You are getting smart!

Atleast you have admitted that you have made an error! Its first step in becoming and einstein!
 
SSAlexSS said:

It is ok gymtime. DOnt feel bad!

We all say dumb thing, we are all start our life being dumb!!
You are getting smart!

Atleast you have admitted that you have made an error! Its first step in becoming and einstein!
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Your patience is as boundless as your......imagination. I appreciate that. Hopefully, I will learn someday.
 
gymtime said:


Your patience is as boundless as your......imagination. I appreciate that. Hopefully, I will learn someday.
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You will young Padawan become a Jedi Master one day!
 
hahahahaha. you always amuse me.....even when you are not trying to be funny.

okay the only way to measure maximal strength is a 100% all out effort. or otherwise known as a 1 rep max.

power lifters will win hands down, i dont think you will ever see a 1000lb squat at a body weight of 220, or a bench press of over 600lbs at a 220 body weight in anything but powerlifting.
(these are major records.....and not the average or norm)

I dont think you have any idea how some/most power lifters train.

since westside is the major way of training at the moment in PL i will use that as an example

we will look at the bench press.

okay on day one you pick an exercise......lets say board press.
(bench press with two 2X6 planks of wood on your chest) you start out with the bar for a few reps. continue warming up with more and more weight...drop the reps back to 3. you have done about 6 sets.....maybe even more now. Drop the reps to 1. continue adding weight until you fail. last week i had 12 sets for this exercise.

once you have reached your one rep max.....you move onto an assistance exercise. lets say tricep extensions. I think the guideline is about 60 reps all up. the sets have 15 SECOND BREAKS inbetween. so you have finished your tricep work.
you move onto a lat exercise.....no doubt a bent over row of some sort.done in a "body builder" repetition sort of way...but not taken to failure. it could be 12x4, 6x6, 8x8 15x2, 2x8....whatever you feel up too and what works for you.
then onto some sholder work.....same as lats then moving onto rotator cuff work.


there is a second day for the bench press 72 hours later. instead of the maximal work it is a speed day.....with the bench press trained at 50% for 10 sets of 3 with explosive speed. the assistance work is prety much the same....the 72 hours after that back to the maximal work

you should probably research before you say anything.
of course you are going to get flamed
 
gymtime: im starting to think this was a setup! i wasnt going to reply.....but im bored and just finished my training for the day (i lifted less than a body builder)
 
power lifters are small: so you havent even met a powerlifter. the ones that have to stick to a weight class are small.....the ones that dont are huge in every way (not only fat)
 
endpoint said:
gymtime: im starting to think this was a setup! i wasnt going to reply.....but im bored and just finished my training for the day (i lifted less than a body builder)
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LOL!! Don't blame you man. Alex is entertaining if nothing else.

First thing I'm gonna do at the gym tonight is to tell all the powerlifters that I'm stronger than they are!! They LOVE shit like that!! Oh, btw, if you don't see me posting tomorrow, better start calling the hospitals.
 
endpoint said:
hahahahaha. you always amuse me.....even when you are not trying to be funny.

okay the only way to measure maximal strength is a 100% all out effort. or otherwise known as a 1 rep max.

power lifters will win hands down, i dont think you will ever see a 1000lb squat at a body weight of 220, or a bench press of over 600lbs at a 220 body weight in anything but powerlifting.
(these are major records.....and not the average or norm)

I dont think you have any idea how some/most power lifters train.

since westside is the major way of training at the moment in PL i will use that as an example

we will look at the bench press.

okay on day one you pick an exercise......lets say board press.
(bench press with two 2X6 planks of wood on your chest) you start out with the bar for a few reps. continue warming up with more and more weight...drop the reps back to 3. you have done about 6 sets.....maybe even more now. Drop the reps to 1. continue adding weight until you fail. last week i had 12 sets for this exercise.

once you have reached your one rep max.....you move onto an assistance exercise. lets say tricep extensions. I think the guideline is about 60 reps all up. the sets have 15 SECOND BREAKS inbetween. so you have finished your tricep work.
you move onto a lat exercise.....no doubt a bent over row of some sort.done in a "body builder" repetition sort of way...but not taken to failure. it could be 12x4, 6x6, 8x8 15x2, 2x8....whatever you feel up too and what works for you.
then onto some sholder work.....same as lats then moving onto rotator cuff work.


there is a second day for the bench press 72 hours later. instead of the maximal work it is a speed day.....with the bench press trained at 50% for 10 sets of 3 with explosive speed. the assistance work is prety much the same....the 72 hours after that back to the maximal work

you should probably research before you say anything.
of course you are going to get flamed
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Ok. Nowadays powerlifters differently than they used to....
If a pl starts to do tricep pushdowns... GOD ALMIGHTY save me, since we started to create something totally different. Its not bodybuilding buts its not that much of a powerlifting either....

God damn. Not another hybrid. I thought that US governm,ent had lots of little green men hybrids under AREA 51.

This routine is very 'interesting' , not in a good way.

Lifting at 50 % is not that great for maximul strength since you may not be recruting fast twitch fibers. Slow twich fibers are mostly useless. They are weak, and they do endurance. Not something that you need for PLIFTING.


Still compare bodybuilders routine and that "POWER NOT LIFTING" and we'll see....
 
endpoint said:
power lifters are small: so you havent even met a powerlifter. the ones that have to stick to a weight class are small.....the ones that dont are huge in every way (not only fat)
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Actually I think I have met powerlifters... I just dfidnt know if it was a powerlifter or a SUMO wrrestler...

I am soo confused! Whats the difference between the two?
 
"Lifting at 50 % is not that great for maximul strength since you may not be recruting fast twitch fibers. Slow twich fibers are mostly useless. They are weak, and they do endurance. Not something that you need for PLIFTING. '

read it again......i said that was speed day. speed day 50% for developing speed, maximum effort day 100% for maximal effort

some powerlifts in competition can take up to 8 seconds to get completed.....isnt that endurance?


"Ok. Nowadays powerlifters differently than they used to.... "
-since back in the day? back when you were training 10 years ago? conjugate method has been around since you were born.
westside training has been around for longer than you think. tonnes of people were using it before you saw your first arnold movie

Ps i do push downs 3 times a week. 1 with cables if i feel i havent done enough tricep work (not that often)
the other 2 i do after main work outs to get blood flowing to the triceps.i do them with elastic bands. It doesnt make me sore....it just gives me a pump and helps out my elbows
 
endpoint said:
"Lifting at 50 % is not that great for maximul strength since you may not be recruting fast twitch fibers. Slow twich fibers are mostly useless. They are weak, and they do endurance. Not something that you need for PLIFTING. '

read it again......i said that was speed day. speed day 50% for developing speed, maximum effort day 100% for maximal effort

some powerlifts in competition can take up to 8 seconds to get completed.....isnt that endurance?


"Ok. Nowadays powerlifters differently than they used to.... "
-since back in the day? back when you were training 10 years ago? conjugate method has been around since you were born.
westside training has been around for longer than you think. tonnes of people were using it before you saw your first arnold movie

Ps i do push downs 3 times a week. 1 with cables if i feel i havent done enough tricep work (not that often)
the other 2 i do after main work outs to get blood flowing to the triceps.i do them with elastic bands. It doesnt make me sore....it just gives me a pump and helps out my elbows
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I am sorry , endpoint. But I cant beleive that 8 seconds is endurance...
Oh my good I need to do 100 rep squats so I could walk more than 5 steps or 8 seconds of effort!


Training for endurance is defined when your set lasts for 72 seconds (or so).

Traininhg for power set only takes 20 seconds... TOP.


8 seconds is like blink. Even slowest of fast twich muscle can get that!
 
PS i just finished a work out.

Maximum rest time 1 minute and 5 seconds average rest time 45 seconds.....minimum rest time 17 seconds
 
endpoint said:
the difference is he lifts more weights than you and is 50 times stronger than you ever will be
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Well... Future isnt something for us to see!
 
endpoint said:
PS i just finished a work out.

Maximum rest time 1 minute and 5 seconds average res

t time 45 seconds.....minimum rest time 17 seconds
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Great you dont know what maximum intensity set is all about if you recovered in 1m 45 seconds.

Intensity sets may require up to 5 minutes....
 
72 seconds at 45%-60 percent of your 1 rep max...
or 8 seconds at 100% of your 1 rep max.

its like compairing walking for 1 hour...compaired to walking for 20 mins carrying 100kg back pack

well see in the future how much your pump and pose beach muscles can do. flex for me big boy.
so what some of us are fat. I dont give a shit how i look.

anyway back to the point;

http://asp.elitefts.com/images/upload/qa/Chuck V dead.jpg

here is a man who can squat 1000 pounds(yes i know that is a dead lift). look at the size of him. is he bigger than ronny? no he isnt. but shit loads stronger. he weights in at 220 pounds. id like to see you do that. or anyone (including your bodybuilder idols) do that at that weight.....and train the same way a bodybuilder does. Do you think he works out the way you do......i dont think so.
if he did he would probably be deadlifting 500lbs by now
 
this is getting boring
i said 1 minute and 5 SECONDS not 45

i dont give a crap about your "maximum intensity" shit.

it doenst help me in anyway.

increase your fitness. you must be out of shape
 
endpoint said:
72 seconds at 45%-60 percent of your 1 rep max...
or 8 seconds at 100% of your 1 rep max.

its like compairing walking for 1 hour...compaired to walking for 20 mins carrying 100kg back pack

well see in the future how much your pump and pose beach muscles can do. flex for me big boy.
so what some of us are fat. I dont give a shit how i look.

anyway back to the point;

http://asp.elitefts.com/images/upload/qa/Chuck V dead.jpg

here is a man who can squat 1000 pounds(yes i know that is a dead lift). look at the size of him. is he bigger than ronny? no he isnt. but shit loads stronger. he weights in at 220 pounds. id like to see you do that. or anyone (including your bodybuilder idols) do that at that weight.....and train the same way a bodybuilder does. Do you think he works out the way you do......i dont think so.
if he did he would probably be deadlifting 500lbs by now
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You dont care how you look?

Well, powerlifters look just like fat and ugly bastards to normal people (about all 99% of them).

For example some lazy fucks call me fat, and i am at average bodyfat... not ripped but ok.. Hey they are getting all thoise beer bellies, but becasue they are 11 pounds soaking wet they still manage to keep the thin look. I never managed that with muscles above their levels by about 40 pounds. Atleast i have ABS! Shit dont you see curves in my chest, my shoulders are sticking out further than ron jeremy's dick and my traps are like mountains! NOO! They just look at my bloated face and presume that I am fat. (My fucking face has a nasty tendency to blow up when I go over 8-10% bodyfat.)

It must be sucky for powerlifters! And who cares how much you bench! Noone see that yiu bench 60000 pounds, all they see is this .... well.,... lets leave it at that.


this post was not meant to be offencive in any way!
 
I can't BELIEVE this. Alex, SHUT THE HELL UP. People have been calling you a moron who needs to shut his hole and listen since you were getting flamed at about.com over a year ago. And you haven't learned jack shit since then; the days when you were bragging how kids in your class used to call you "Mr. Olympia" and make you do splits between chairs.

What the hell? Do you ride the short bus to school, boy? Did you parents drop you on your head when you were little? Is there something in the water up there, like, I don't know, fucking retard serum?

Reading a million articles and coming away with NOTHING except odd tidbits of information ("Intensity sets may require up to 5 minutes...."), and amazing feats of analysis like that complete and utter bullsh*t that you started this thread with... now THAT is just sad.

Look, if you post a fallacious argument, fine. But at least have a little bit of humility and know when you're outclassed.

Do you even lift? Or just read shit, let it bounce around in that lump of gray goo you call a brain, then spit it back out intact (albeit jumbled beyond recognition).









I'm done.

Sorry.
 
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Body builders are most definately not week, Usually Power Lifters are stronger but not much

I think that people think bodybuilders are weaker is because they train to 'look good' and have yummy muscles but powerlifters (as far as I know) dont realy eat as healthy and worry too much about how they look they worry more about how strong they are.

Its two totaly different types of sport, like soccer and rugby and people shouldnt assume bodybuilders are just steroid junkies but unfortunately thats how bodybuilders have been stereotyped for ages now.
 
There are a few scientific differences in Bodybuilders and Powerlifters: Strength and Power Training: Physiological Mechanisms of Adaptation. Exercise and Sport Science Reviews, American College of Sports Medicine Series. 24: 363-398, 1996.:

*Bodybuilders have a higher ratio of oxidative enzymes in Type IIa fibers over Type IIb fibers.
*Bodybuilders have a higher capillary density.Believed to be due to the higher levels of lactate build-up in training.
*Bodybuilders have a greater lifting capacity when working at a raised lactate level.

Observing bodybuilders at my gym, They work with lighter weight and higher reps to failure, it seems they are conditioning more their Type I fibers (type II fibers are 20% larger than type I fibers, hence give best reponse to hypertrophy)over their Type II fibers fo hypertrophy, as we know slow-twitch fibers are the first muscle fibers to be recruited in movements that demand small force, and the fast-twitch fibers are increasingly recruited by increased force demands, there is also evidence that type II fibers can be activated without activating type I fibers by heavy loads. Because the majority of heavy training results in hypertrophy of the type II fibers, powerlifters have a larger portion of hypertrophy in the type II area than when compared to body builders (in fact, powerlifters have very beautiful muscles, many of them just do not take very good care of their bodies). The point of any training regimen should include:

1. Resistance training
2. Flexibility
3. Cardiovascular fitness
4. Good nutrition
 
SSAlex started this by using simple mechanical energy expenditure equations ( the kind you find in physics 101 textbooks) to compare energy output using the human body. This is erronious logic. Such formuale cannot be applied to the body.
 
Bodybuilders Are Stronger Than Powerlifters!
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I am a bodybuilder so if anything, I'm biased towards that, but you are soooo wrong. Powerlifter I used to train with would squat 10 sets of 3 reps on 600+lbs, with 1 minute rest between sets. With or without your mathematical equation, there in no way a bodybuilder could match that. And he was natural as well
 
I just wanted to mention that I completely agree with endpoint and needsize and I have great respect for them, not only because of their candor but also because..THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, Alex.

Seriously dude: most people have had enough of your uber special posts declaring that squatting 1 inch will make you super powerful, etcetera ad nauseum.

If you want big useless muscles, be my guest but don't insult those amongst you who are functional rather than shallow and far stronger and more educated than yourself.

-Zulu
 
Here's a thought: who gives a shit who's stronger? I, personally, couldn't care less. This whole thing reminds me of elementary school recess discussions:

Child 1: "No way. Superman would kick Batman's ass"
Child 2: "But Batman has the batmobile. He could just shoot Superman."
Child 1: "Yeah, but bullets can't hurt Superman."

blah, blah, blah, blah
 
You are right. Maybe you should enter a powerlifting meet and put 225 on the bar and do it for high reps just to impress the crowd. After you get to 20 reps...they will be screaming and yelling at you...pushing you farther in amazement. :)

I pulled a 70,000 lb fire truck for 75 feet last October...wow...let's try that fuzzy math again.
75
x
70,000
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5,250,000

Shoot...talk about one heck of a lift. I am a powerlifting monster.

I find powerlifting (as a competitive sport) to be very boring. It does not attract me at all, but I still respect them a lot. Just try to become an 800lb squatter. Yeah...I bet that 800lb squatter would probably have problems doing 225 for 20...NOT. What you do not realize is that 500lb squatter can probably also do 365 for 20 reps...probably.

Bless

B True
 
Belial said:


What the hell? Do you ride the short bus to school, boy? Did you parents drop you on your head when you were little? Is there something in the water up there, like, I don't know, fucking retard serum?

Reading a million articles and coming away with NOTHING except odd tidbits of information ("Intensity sets may require up to 5 minutes...."), and amazing feats of analysis like that complete and utter bullsh*t that you started this thread with... now THAT is just sad.

Look, if you post a fallacious argument, fine. But at least have a little bit of humility and know when you're outclassed.

Do you even lift? Or just read shit, let it bounce around in that lump of gray goo you call a brain, then spit it back out intact (albeit jumbled beyond recognition).


I'm done.

Sorry.
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Obviously I wasnt the one who was dropped on my head. But again my IQ is a bit higher so that is why there conflict of intellegences happens.

My comment was right! The only wrongt thing was with you.

Here is my defence:
Muscle size is directly related to its cross sectional area.
Bigger the cross sectional area - more volume to the muscle.

More force output equals bigger muscle.

Bodybuilders have bigger muscles than powerlifters (those powerlifters who are pretty muscular either employ bodybuilding + powerlifting program or have great/different genetics).

Thus bodybuilders are stronger ( not in 1 rep strength but OVERALLY). Bodybuilders have greater force output in unit of time. Note I said unit of time, for you here mathematically/physcially illiteratre - you wont get the concept . So powerlifters eeem stronger.

If powerlifters would truly be stronger, they would be more muscular. Obviously it doesnt happen. mr Ed Coan or who ever doesnt exactly pose on Mr O stage....


I present the truth's and fact - you present swears. It doesnt take much to figure out who is smarter!

I now know why people view bodybuilding as "dumb sport for dumb asses."
Unfortunately it holds true... So dont get offended!
 
Belial said:
LMAO.

okay, this is worthless.
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Yep! Thank you belial from using swears! Only uneducated thugs use swears. As intelligent people we talk science!

hey you are smart! Atleast you have realised that you cant argue with me on some topics as i would beat you.

Great. Better say nothing than to say something dumb.

yep, it is worthless to discuss this issue, as i said something that cant easily be beaten or beaten at all.
 
How about the neural aspect??

The ability to 'turn on your muscles' plays a big role when discussing strength issues. This is the reason why most bodybuilders cant match the strength of a powerlifter. They don't develop this ability, because most of them trains with slow and a high number of reps .

So, your statement about Ed Coan and Mr. O is basically wrong.

Yes, size is important, but the neural factor is THE most important aspect of strength.

Greater force output in unit of time?

Ehhh, how much exactly do you know about powerlifting and their methods of training. Most powerlifters that I know of spend most of their time with the 3 big lifts or variants of and a lot of other compound movements as well, often training the core lifts 2-3 times a week.

That equals a shit load of pounds being moved each week, and a greater force output, wouldn't you say??
 
XAX said:
How about the neural aspect??

Yes, size is important, but the neural factor is THE most important aspect of strength.
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:bawling: brings a tear to my eye......

music to my ears, preach on brotha XAX! :fro: :D :p

im with ya.
 
SSAlexSS said:


Yep! Thank you belial from using swears! Only uneducated thugs use swears. As intelligent people we talk science!

hey you are smart! Atleast you have realised that you cant argue with me on some topics as i would beat you.

Great. Better say nothing than to say something dumb.

yep, it is worthless to discuss this issue, as i said something that cant easily be beaten or beaten at all.
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ROFL


You've gotten your ass handed to you after each and every post, have contributed absolutely nothing to this forum, and still you have the gall to pretend you're intelligent?
 
Belial said:


ROFL


You've gotten your ass handed to you after each and every post, have contributed absolutely nothing to this forum, and still you have the gall to pretend you're intelligent?
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My posts are much better than some elses posts! Atleast I dont post each week
"What is the best exercise for biceps" kinda poll.

Dumb posts never get attention......

note to myself *lower my iq and curiousity by about 50. no make it 100 points*
 
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Sure 225 pounds is less than 500 pounds... BUT. 225 * 16 = 3600 pounds lifted. 500 x4 = 2000 pounds.
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not trying to flame here, but, as GymTime pointed out, it doesnt work like that. say i were to squat 100 lbs 25 times = 2500 lbs, but that is not more than a powerlifter squating 500 lbs 4 times = 2000 lbs.

reason being this (me being a math major and all:D): projected one rep maxes arent based on linear graphs, or convenient little formulas, meaning that just cause a person can bench say, 100 lbs 10 reps, does not mean they can bench 1000 lbs once, and if they bench 100 lbs 11 times, it certainly wouldnt mean they are stronger than someone with a 1000 lbs bench press.

back to math again, if you were to make a graph of how much weight a person could bench and how many times they could bench it, it would not make a straight line, the number of reps would get lower and lower as the weight got higher, and therefore higher weight for a few reps, ie, powerlifters, are stronger, generally.

now ronnie coleman, and greg kovacs are probably better than some powerlifters, in fact, i would say their totals are probably both over 2000, which is very impressive, but again, bodybuilders are not stronger, generally.

i tried looking on my computer for the one rep max table i have, but couldnt find it (i will try to post later). this is what it looks like below, say a person could bench press 100 lbs once:

1RM = 100
8RM = 78.8 lbs
12RM = 72.2 lbs
20RM = 60 lbs

so that person could bench press 60 lbs 20 times = 1200 lbs, but obviously im weaker than someone with a 1000 lbs bench press.

in fact, i dont even have to say all that, lol, POWERLIFTERS ARE STRONGER. period.

matt
 
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Relationships between reps and % maximum load for one rep maximum (rm). The
maximum strength zone is 1 - 6 reps, and bodybuilding 6 - 12. Strength / Endurance 12
reps or more.

Repetitions Coefficient1 100
2 95.5
3 91.7
4 88.5
5 85.7
6 83.2
7 80.9
8 78.8
9 76.9
10 75.2
11 73.6
12 72.1
13 70.6
14 69.2
15 67.8
16 66.5
17 65.3
18 64.1
19 63.0
20 61.9

HOW TO USE THE CHART:

If you bench press 135 * 12...divide 135 by the coefficient of 12 (0.721) and get 187.2...meaning your
one rep max for bench press is 187.2 pounds roughly

If you arm curl 100 lbs once, then to find out what you should do for sets of 8 to failure, multiply 100 by
the coefficient for 8 (0.788), to find that you should be able to arm curl 78.8 pounds 8 times to failure.

using this chart, we see that

225 * 0.665 (coefficient of 16 reps) = 338 lbs one rep max
500 * 0.885 (coefficient of 4 reps) = 565 lbs one rep max

so it's obvious your logic is flawed...
 
Well, Ronnie Coleman was also a powerlifter in his early years, so that would explain his freaky strength(for a bodybuilder :D )

The bottomline is:

- Powerlifters are stronger because they train for strength.

- Bodybuilders looks better, because they train for mass and spend time at dieting.

btw thanx guys for your support... :)
 
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SSAlexSS. all you present is unscientific recycled flex and muscle media bullshit.

a big muscle is not always a strong muscle.

not one person has agreed with you on this post. I am the only one who considers themselves a powerlifter...yet all "bodybuilders" and weight trainers agree.

back out gracefully.

you have a few options.

1) train with dedicated powerlifters or watch then train and count the plates and reps/sets.
2)go to the powerlifting forum on this site and ask the powerlifters to give you numbers reps and sets and compair them to your own
3)visit this site http://www.elitefts.com/
go to the "ask dave" section and repeat what you have said here.
(you better be ready to get your ass seriously kicked and they have the science to back it up.)
4)buy some serious training books(read:textbooks) and invest in some articles on the functions of the human body and how it adapts to resistance training. (not muscle mag fool.....journals and studies)

you will realise how stupid you really are.


research before you say anything ever again. dont make up bull shit. get back to the gym and train...you will learn more about training than sitting at a computer
 
excellent responses everyone: belial, endpoint, bignate, xax, mat canning, gymtime, etc...

this is one of the most halarious threads (and responses) I've seen in a while :D

ok, let's review children (mr. garrison):

bodybuilders goal: best body
powerlifters goal: greatest MAXIMAL strength in the big three

maximal doesn't mean most amount of work/unit time; it refers to the greatest weight handled, period.

if you want to do lots of work, run up a thousand step stair case.

I have to admit, you are one of the most creative individuals I've encountered. Watch lots of Barnie ay? :D
 
The sad thing is that every time someone responds to trash this retarded post, it stays at the top and get even more attention. We've got to learn to ignore stuff like this so it just goes away!!

Shit, I just bumped it back to the top....
 
Naa...everyone has their opinion. It is good that they can share their opinion about things and that they can be discussed.

The problem sits as where someone defines strength. Does one define it as how much one can squat/bench/dead? What about how many reps they can get? What about how hard they hit a baseball? What about how good of a Offensive Lineman they are? What about how many times they can flip a 800lb tire? What about picking up a 400+ lb stone?

Strength is measured in many different ways. Many, many, many different ways. I consider myself to be strong, yet I do not have a great squat, bench, or deadlift. I can do things that most powerlifters can not. They can do things that I can not. Where is strength measured?

B True
 
needsize said:
The sad thing is that every time someone responds to trash this retarded post, it stays at the top and get even more attention. We've got to learn to ignore stuff like this so it just goes away!!

Shit, I just bumped it back to the top....
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BUMP!!!

hehehehehe. :fro:
 
I'm just wondering.... if bodybuilders are stronger than powerlifters, why don't they all cross over to powerlifting and become top of the game?
 
To say that size is proportional to strength is only true if you look at it from a very simplistic POV, Alex. Truth is there are a great deal of other factors involved, namely the nervous system as mentioned previously.

-Zulu
 
Holy Shit! I cant believe i have read this thread. All i can say is this Alex. Number 1 i m a powerlifter. I am a WPO professional bencher, i am also ranked Number 1 in the country for my bench in The APA. There is a web site to prove it. I am no bull shitter is the point i am stressing at the start, so what i say has some meaning, and i am not some weak body builder looking for an excuse to lift less in the gym. Your scietific theory only would work with equal size people. I infact I did 500 lb bench last week 5 times but before that i did 455 for 5 405 for 10, 315 10 count that up. I wont even go in to my squat workoout cause you will need a calculator. BUt my point of this thread really wasnt about who is stronger cause that point is so simple i need not go in to further. Its the powerlifters are fat asses. I train amongst bodybuilders along with powerlifters. And i take nothing from Bodybuilders that is what they train for. But unless your a real bodybuilder like over 250lbs, or no over 220lbs. Ok better,over 200 in contest shape. Besides at contest time, how can you say they look better? Now i know this board has a shit load of bodybuilders under 200 lbs, and thats ok but i am currently weigh 250lbs, my body fat is 15%, That may be high to you under 200 or 175 lbers out there but i knwo the gym i lift in (biggest golds in Florida) has a shit load of Bodybuilders who do look shredded on stage but off season there bodyfat is higher then mine. The big ones the guys my size. SO here is something to think about. A little make believe challenge. I am 5'10 inches, i have 15% body fat, 19 1/2 arms, 55 inch chest , 30 inch thighs, 34 inch waist, ok 35, 18 1/2 calves.
I lift 800 squat, over 600 bench, and around 575 dead lift. I bet you i could reach your lowest or whatever you call Bodybuilder body fat level in 10 weeks. Do you think in 10 weeks you could lift my weights? I dont know how big you are but do you have a 20 inch difference between your so lean waist and chest? Dude powerlifting is a sport. And you obviously have never been to a real powerlifting meet. Not local but national. You would shit at the physiques you would see. Low body fat , shredded muscles and lots of abs. Maybe you didnt realize there are 12 weight classes ranging from 114 to SHW. Yu see pic of Anthiny Clark, Gary frank, Jim voronin, Jamie Harris, all those huys are very popular and excellent at there sport but all of those are super Heavy weights. I dont mean dis respect to any BB or any one in general, but Alex out of the three sponsers i have one is a tanning company and consider i also shave you wouldnt evn guess me as a Powerlifter if you came into my gym...until you see me lift. Your a shit talker. In your sport what is your national ranking? How many sponsers do you have? YOu see, who is more advanced in there sports!
 
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BatZgirl said:
Body builders are most definately not week, Usually Power Lifters are stronger but not much

I think that people think bodybuilders are weaker is because they train to 'look good' and have yummy muscles but powerlifters (as far as I know) dont realy eat as healthy and worry too much about how they look they worry more about how strong they are.

Its two totaly different types of sport, like soccer and rugby and people shouldnt assume bodybuilders are just steroid junkies but unfortunately thats how bodybuilders have been stereotyped for ages now.
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Several issues here:
'Powerlifters are stronger but not much': Chris Cormier, who is reputed to be amongst the strongest bodybuilders was featured in a powerlifting mag (could be PLUSA) a year or so ago doing squats. This was an attempt to give bodybuilders credibility in the powerlifting community. Now he unracked a reasonable weight (600lb I believe) but he didnt break parallel. Now lets compare that to a similar sized powerlifter of a similar standing in their own sport.....you might expect them to squat 800lb.....and several can do 1000lb going below parallel. Thats 40% more weight and going alot deeper than this 'strong' bodybuilder. Saying Mr. Cormier is almost as strong as a powerlifter is like saying I am almost as strong as Powerlifterjay (for some facts on him see his post on this thread).

'Powerlifters dont eat healthy': Depends on the powerlifter in the same way that a bodybuilders diet varies. Please do yourself a favour and attend a national powerlifting meet. You will be very suprised at the physiques there.......and I'm not entirely sure that bodybuilders diets are incredibly healthy (e.g. keto diets).

'Bodybuilders arent steroid junkies': hhhmmmmm ok. Whatever you say......Mr. Coleman must have got to his size through good diet and hard work alone huh.

Batzgirl, I hope this didnt come across as insulting or condescending. Bodybuilding is about creating an image......unfortunately many bodybuilders make things up in order to propagate this (try looking up Jimmy Pellechia on the web). There is alot of bullshit assumed about bodybuilding, unfortunately alot of people buy into it. Bodybuilding is not a particularly healthy pursuit if you want to take it to the level of competition. Also, I am tired of hearing people who know little about powerlifting telling me that powerlifters are fat and unhealthy......for a reality check go to Powerlifterjays post.
 
Excellent post Jay, Endpoint and the other PL friends from the PL forum.

I think the dude who started this bullshit argunment just sees bodybuilders in the pros like Flex Wheeler, Shawn Ray, Dorian Yates and Jay Cutler and thinks that they are stronger than powerlifters just because they have the appearance of strength because they are so giant and ripped that they look strong (and they are) but they arent strong compared to top powerlifters like Coan, Keene, Tate, Vogepohl etc....

Also dont judge a persons strength by looks. I probably look stronger than I actually am. I have seen way to many people that I didnt think look that strong put up some serious numbers in the bench, squat and etc that I underestimated at first. Some people seem to grow bigger easier and some get strong without really growing too much bigger, I guess it depends on genetics and leverages.
Remember that bodybuilders train for size and powerlifters train for strength. Bodybuilders look really strong but they arent compared to powerlifters.
 
Wrong...

SSAlexSS you don't know what you are talking about. You need to educate yourself so that you can speak intelligently about this subject. It is obvious that you know very little about powerlifting and I would be hesitant to take advice from you concerning bodybuilding. I don't think it a stretch in saying that you have very little credibility on this forum.

- Screwball
 
SSAlexSS said:
Why are bodybuilders considered weak and powerlifters strong?

Its quite different! Boidybuilders dont train for size, they train for stregth and that is why they are larger than plifters!

Lets me explain.

Powelifter does
500pounds for 4 reps

Meanwhile bodybuilder does
225 pounds for 16 times in the same time.


Sure 225 pounds is less than 500 pounds... BUT. 225 * 16 = 3600 pounds lifted. 500 x4 = 2000 pounds.

Bodybuilder lifted 1600 more pounds than PL did.
Then our powerlifter takes a 5 minute break since he almost ripped his chest doing 500 pound bench.

Our Bodybuilder takes only 1 minute brake and does another similiar set.

Eventually bodybuilder has lifted like 10,000 of more pounds of weight than plifter. Guess who will grow more???


Sure plifter is stronger than bber in 1-6 rep ranges... But overally bodybuilder lifts MORE weight!

Like arnie said "there are different kind of strength. I may lift 500 few times, but you lift 400 10 times and I couldnt do that."

(rough quote).

And now, note to myself * put a big fire coat, I expect lots of flames from angry powerlifters. But hey , it is their fault that they dont lift enough damn weight!!!!!!***
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You might want to sit down and think something through before posting it next time. This really doesn't make sense.
Cheers
 
This message is for CytoMel. Dude when i read your post in you put my name with Coan, Tate , and Vogelphol, it gave me goose bumps! Thanks bro, i appreciate more then you probably know.
 
gymtime said:
LOL!! Alex, you never cease to amaze me.

Tell you what, I can lift 3lbs about a thousand times. I must be the strongest man alive. :rolleyes:
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Your'e beating me to the punch today. Bodybuilders work on building all muscles, some of them are useless for increasing strength. Powerlifter do more synergy type lifts that required more then one muscle group. Show me a bodybuilder who has good size, who first did not build his foundation doing powerlifting. If bodybuilders are stronger, why isn't ronnie coleman winning/participating in strong man competitions.
 
You guys have to realize that Alex probably gets paid to post crap like this in order to generate more posts to the board. That's why he always makes some inflammatory comment followed by "come on, I want to hear everyone's opinion".

In this particular post he's mixing up total work done, with strength.

Lets say a 200lb bodybuilder and a 200lb powerlifter go to the gym and they both decide to do a Farmer's Walk contest. The BBer does 20 steps with 120lb dumbbells, the Powerlifter does 20 with 180lb dumbbells. According to his flawed logic, the stronger man is the one with the longer walk home.
 
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Ya know in all fair ness to the Bodybuilders i know, and i know alot. They dont even care who is stronger. Maybe amongst themselves, but not to powerlifters. I know some powerlifters with pretty big physiques and we dont sit around and wonder how nice we would look if we decided to do a BB show. It really is apples and oranges.
 
MarshallPenniford said:
You guys have to realize that Alex probably gets paid to post crap like this in order to generate more posts to the board. That's why he always makes some inflammatory comment followed by "come on, I want to hear everyone's opinion".

In this particular post he's mixing up total work done, with strength.

Lets say a 200lb bodybuilder and a 200lb powerlifter go to the gym and they both decide to do a Farmer's Walk contest. The BBer does 20 steps with 120lb dumbbells, the Powerlifter does 20 with 180lb dumbbells. According to his flawed logic, the stronger man is the one with the longer walk home.
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Ok. Stronger muscle can get more work done. After all you dont expect a 98 pounder kid next door be able to go through blood and guts ??? right?

According to that fuzzy math of yours that you have posted you are makeing a mistake after mistake. 180 at 20 is more work than 120 at 20 steps. So no according to those numbers that particular powerlifter is doing more work. Read my post again, do the math. it will come to you, dont worry.
 
Phenotype X said:
Hands down, powerlifters are stronger than bodybuilders. Nothing more to say.
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ZBecasue they hgenerally do few reps and more weight?\Sometimes doing heavy weight at lots of reps can be even tougher. AND more total work done.

Sure 900 pound squat can be tough, but try to do 20 reps at 600. Guess what , youll probably die unless you are champion bodybiuilder/powerlifgter/athlete. Paramedics will be called for sure to suparate your quads from the walls!

Now I am not aware of anyone doing 600 pounds for 20 reps. But I am sure they probably would not want to remember that night at the hospital. But really bodybuilders work can be just as demanding AND TOUGHER!

Squatting or lifting 1 rep max can be hard, YES. But doing heavy weoight for lots of reps can be just as hard!
 
SSAlexSS said:


Ok. Stronger muscle can get more work done. After all you dont expect a 98 pounder kid next door be able to go through blood and guts ??? right?

According to that fuzzy math of yours that you have posted you are makeing a mistake after mistake. 180 at 20 is more work than 120 at 20 steps. So no according to those numbers that particular powerlifter is doing more work. Read my post again, do the math. it will come to you, dont worry.
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In the end, who really gives a rat's ass. You post all these theories that in reality, have no value as a training tool or aid. Do you actually know anything about building muscle? Start to show that you have some applicable knowlege, or better yet, have the balls to post a pic showing us what all your valuable knowlege has geained for you!!
 
SSAlexSS said:

According to that fuzzy math of yours that you have posted you are makeing a mistake after mistake. 180 at 20 is more work than 120 at 20 steps. So no according to those numbers that particular powerlifter is doing more work. Read my post again, do the math. it will come to you, dont worry.
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Did you read the last sentence of my post? My god.
 
Oh my god, this is truely absurd :eek2:

This discussion was not about how who was the toughest, but the strongest.

You want toughness, go train with Louie Simmons and his lifters then.

And NO! You can't both do heavy weights and lots reps at the same time.


btw. squats are not only a quads excercise. They are an complete lowerbody exercise. :cool:
 
Sure it is zulu! That's 610 pounds! After all, it's total work that counts!


This debate has gone from stupid to retarded to completely fucktarded. Can we end it now? It's not even an interesting incorrect point that's being debated. It's sheer stupidity. Alex, post a pic. Then shut the hell up. NOBODY is agreeing with you here, and your condescension considering just how absolutely clueless you obviously are is laughable. Please, try to save some semblance of pride or self respect and concede.
 
I try to tell my friend this all the time that to get stronger you don't want to do a bunch of reps (he thinks to do a lot of reps prior to lifting maximal weight is more impressive) but rather put the plates on and lift a few reps heavy weight (after warmup of course) but he won't listen that's why I fully expect to out do him shortly (for now he's bigger naturally than me but i'm catching up)
 
ZZuluZ said:
Alex:

Is benching 305 twice stronger than benching 600 once?

Just admit you're wrong man.

-Zulu
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If you do it twice as fast as that one rep then MAYBE!!!!
Do the math. 610 vs 600.
 
SSAlexSS said:


If you do it twice as fast as that one rep then MAYBE!!!!
Do the math. 610 vs 600.
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Ok......this is funny.
Alex, if you think going for reps makes you stronger, go and lie under a 600lb bar, unrack it and then come back and tell us about this experience (if you are capable of breathing still).
 
I say that since he can proably squat 200 lbs. for ten reps, he should try to un-rack a bar loaded to 2000 lbs. Should be no effort at all except for the poor slobs that have to clean the floor.
 
Die...

Die, thread, die! May this be the final post on this thread. SSAlexSS is simply too dense to see the error in his reasoning. He is wrong and the rest of the board knows it.

- Screwball
 
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Screwball said:
Die, thread, die! May this be the final post on this thread. SSAlexSS is simply too dense to see the error in his reasoning. He is wrong and the rest of the board knows it.

- Screwball
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me too. This thread has spun out of control.

But hey some of my posts are great! Actually yeh I made a fluke here... But a reasonable thread soon become stupid thread because certtain people took it too seriously like little kids and made a mess!!!!!!!
 
Mr weak can take his jack and push the lever 100 times until he's gone to complete failure. And he's lifted the car 5 times in 10 minutes. Mr. strong can lift the car 5 times until he can't lift it any more after 10 seconds.
He's not called Mr. strong for nothing.:fro:
 
Imnotdutch said:


Wow even by your standards that was a dumbass comment.....
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Actually I thought my comment was the most interesting one on this thread.
 
I agree: appearance vs strength

If its appearance vs strength than one definitely seems more a sport than they other. Hey, I love bbing, but its more of a lifestyle. Powerlifters like football players, basketball players, and boxers have to back it up, and they deserve credit for that.
 
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mattcanning99 said:


no they aren't
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HEY STOP IT!

You are digging up my posts that I dont want to be digged up!!!


Are you stalking me? I come to this board and all I see is 1/2 year old posts made by me being in headline news again!


And i see your name in here!!!
 
boy, this really is an embarrassing thread for you SSAlexSS, sorry to see it come back to life. :)

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