Blood work results - Docs and other knowledgeable people please comment

[speedracer1966]

Just got the results back of some recent bloodwork and was looking for comments as to the state of my HTPA recovery.

Stats are: 36 y/o 5'11" 215lbs 12% bf

The bloodwork was done 7 weeks since my last shot. The cycle was as follows: 800mg test enth/week(weeks 1-10), 450mg deca/week(weeks 1-10), 50 mg ED dbol(weeks 1-4) and 50 mg ED winstrol(weeks7-10). Started clomid 2 weeks after last shot and also took 50 mg ED proviron after the last shot up until the day before the bloodwork. This was my second cycle. It is kind of difficult to read but I have listed it with the substance tested for followed by the results followd by the reference range



sodium 141 mEq/L 135-145
potassium 4.3 mEq/L 3.5-5.1
chloride 103 mEq/L 95-110
co2 28 mEq/L 22-32
glucose 97mg/dL 72-117
bun 19 mg/dL 5-22
creatinine 1.0 mg/dL .5-1.4
bun crea ratio 19 3-40
calcium 9.8 mg/dL 8.4-10.3
total protein 7.5 g/dL 6.0-8.2
albumin 4.8 g/dl 3.8-5.2
globulin 2.7 g/dL 2.4-4.1
a/g ratio 1.8 .7-1.8
ast 32 U/L 0-32
alk phos 36 U/L 30-125
alt 31 U/L 0-43
total bilirubin 0.2 mg/dL .2-1.1

tsh 1.44 mIU/ml .4-7.6

free androgen ind 65.9 14.0-85.0
test total 114 ng/dL 240-850
sex hor bnd glo 6 nmol/L 14-83
test free 19.7 pg/mL 7.0-25.0


As you can see most values are in check with the exception of total test and shbg.

Question is: Is this normal after 7 weeks out of a cycle? Does it look like I'm recovering well and if not any suggestions for improvement?

Doc was kind of perplexed as to why I would have low toatl test and shgb while free test and and ind were so high...Then again he's not aware of the roids.

Any info is appreciated..............Thanks

 

[nandi12]

It's great that you posted that information. It's very instructive. Assuming your total test was normal before your cycle, it's obviously depressed now because you were juicing. What's interesting is that as expected, the roids dramatically lowered your SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin) as well. The net result is that your free test, the value that matters, is in the normal range. (Since lower SHBG means lower bound test/higher free test.)

 

[barbell265]

It all looks good except I would like to see the test a little higher 7 weeks out. How did you run your clomid,(doses), and for how long?

Regardless of that it all looks good and as though your on the road to recovery. Huck may be able to bring a little more insight and there are a few doc's on the boards so I would bump your thread for a little while till' you get a more definitive answer. BTW I am a med lab tech

 

[speedracer1966]

Thanks nandi and barbell. As a baseline I had only free test tested about 1 1/2 years ago (before any roids) and it was 11.3 pg/mL which is lower than now. I was wanting to start another cycle in about four to five weeks. I don't feel much different than before I cycled only maybe slightly lower sex drive so I don't know if my total test was low before or not. Your thoughts?

 

[nandi12]

As long as your free test is in the normal range I would not worry too much about the total test. If you have low SHBG levels, the extra free test is probably lowering LH output. This is keeping total test down, and via feedback the free test is dropping down to the normal range.

In men given anabolic steroids,

" During drug administration SHBG concentrations decreased by about 80 to 90% and remained low even for the 16 weeks following steroid withdrawal. Steroid administration had no influence on serum CBG concentrations. In conclusion, self-administration of testosterone and anabolic steroids soon led to impairment of testicular endocrine function which was characterized by low concentrations of testosterone precursors, high ratios of testosterone to its precursor steroids and low SHBG concentrations. Decreased concentrations of SHBG and testicular steroids were still partly evident during the 16 weeks after drug withdrawal." (1)

As you can see, SHBG remained low in this group for quite a while. Your free test is normal, that is what's important. Your total test probably won't come up until SHBG returns to normal.


(1) J Steroid Biochem 1985 Jul;23(1):33-8
Response of serum testosterone and its precursor steroids, SHBG and CBG to anabolic steroid and testosterone self-administration in man.
Ruokonen A, Alen M, Bolton N, Vihko R.

 

[Quadsweep]

Your AST (liver enzyme) is borderline. Besides that I see no health risk. The test levels should be coming up though???? Hmmmm? Proviron is an androgen....It could suppress Test levels.

Quad

 

[nandi12]

The AST by itself is not indicative of anything. Only if it is high in conjunction with elevated GGTP is it suggestive of liver problems. Unfortunately, the GGTP evidently was not measured.

 

[speedracer1966]

Thanks guys...You think I should wait for the total test and shbg to increase before cycling again? I was hoping to cycle again in about 4-5 weeks.

 

[DrJMW]

HCG and Nolvadex would have probably returned everything to normal quicker. the key is getting the LH (HCG) levels up quickly to force the testes to start making natural testo. The Nolvadex, as an antiestrogen, and LH stimulator, kicks in slower. Clomid alone kicks in slowly. I like a more rapid increase in test levels. Another point made was concerning your baseline reading, which you don't have--shame.

 

[lawnsaver]

I had mine blood work done 8 months out from last cycle and my total test was 199 with free at 7.4

I'm now on androgel. I am 2 weeks out from my next cycle. I will have HCG for during and at the last 2 weeks of cycle, arimidex all the way through and an extended clomid cycle post running along side the a-dex.

I will get blood work done 2 months out to see where I'm at.

 

[Quadsweep]

The AST by itself is not indicative of anything. Only if it is high in conjunction with elevated GGTP is it suggestive of liver problems. Unfortunately, the GGTP evidently was not measured.

Yes I saw that. Also there was no LDH. Kinda weird to only test two liver enzymes??? The AST could simply be from training and muscle damage.

 

[speedracer1966]

HCG and Nolvadex would have probably returned everything to normal quicker. the key is getting the LH (HCG) levels up quickly to force the testes to start making natural testo. The Nolvadex, as an antiestrogen, and LH stimulator, kicks in slower. Clomid alone kicks in slowly. I like a more rapid increase in test levels. Another point made was concerning your baseline reading, which you don't have--shame.

Yeah I was thinking I should of used HCG. I will next time. Do you think there would be any benefit in using it now. BTW I'm still taking clomid.

 

[DrJMW]

Yeah I was thinking I should of used HCG. I will next time. Do you think there would be any benefit in using it now. BTW I'm still taking clomid.

There would be a benefit. Remember, for all intents and purposes, HCG is LH. All clomid does is stimulate the release of LH. If you are LH resistant, then you ahve a problem. One common sign of aging is LH resistance. Interestingly, becoming resistant to all of the important hormones is why we age or get fat (insulin, HGH, LH, etc).

 

[speedracer1966]

There would be a benefit. Remember, for all intents and purposes, HCG is LH. All clomid does is stimulate the release of LH. If you are LH resistant, then you ahve a problem. One common sign of aging is LH resistance. Interestingly, becoming resistant to all of the important hormones is why we age or get fat (insulin, HGH, LH, etc).

How would I know if I was LH resistant? Is there any other bloodwork I should have done?

Thanks