Blood work after 2x pct... Please help

[Roy369]

Start date; 4/8/13..... Last primo shot 7/18/13

test e 500 wks 1-14
primo 400 wks 1-14
anavar wks 11-17
proviron wks 10-17
aromasin 12.5 eod thru out
HCG wks13-17

Pct wks 17-22
clomid
PS/Unleashed
Forma
Power Chews........ Pct start date; 8/1/13..... Last clomid 9/1/13

This cycle shut me down HARD! It was cool at first but when the anavar started I really started to shut down... Also, I had to have been shooting closer to 250 test e the last half of the cycle instead of 500. Either one of the bottles I got was short or I was going way over the first half of the cycle... I think the test decrease had an effect... Next time I'll have more test on hand....

I was still very shut down at the end of pct so you bros had me run pct2

PCT 2 start date: 9/23

hcg 1500 2x per week for 2 weeks then clomid 50/25/25/25
Test booster 2x per day
aromasin thru out

..... Last day was 11/4 and STILL I'm not back to 100% normal....

here are my current stats btw;

Male age. 34, 6'3" 190 8-10%

The day of first injection(4/8/13) I was 220 at around 15-17% bf



So I'd like to do another cycle but I'm not sure when I can start(not next week obviously) and I'm not sure what kind of cycle I should do.... I know one thing, for the first time in my live I'm very lean and I'm going to keep it that way. I started cycling my carbs in June and I'm still cycling... Since I've been under 10% for about four months now will I gain body fat if I level out my carb intake? At my best I was about 185 at 5% so I'd like to be a solid 200 at 5%

I don't want to bloat, gain body fat or be shut down like that again... What's the best way to get 10-15lbs of lean mass without being shut down?

I really want to do a HGH cycle but I don't know enough about that stuff. There's so many kinds/fakes I don't know what's what. I'd like to get started on a year long hgh cycle and I can always decide to start AS whenever....

What about a dbol only cycle to gain some quick mass or would that just shut me down again? I just really like to able to start soon hehe....

I'd appreciate any advice you bros can give me!


Anyways here's my lab work resultsView attachment 116203

 

[Zyglamail]

The million dollar question is what were your test levels before cycle? Without that data you have nothing to compare to and your current test level may have been what you were at before.

 

[Roy369]

The million dollar question is what were your test levels before cycle? Without that data you have nothing to compare to and your current test level may have been what you were at before.

Understood, but I can't really do anything about that now... Next time, I'll get bloods before cycle.. I can tell you my libido was way higher before I started the cycle verses today.... I don't know if that means my test levels were considerable higher.. Do you have any suggestions about when/if to run another cycle or how I can boost my levels further(or wait for them to raise naturally)? Thank you, Zyglamail

 

[Roy369]

Bump

 

[stevesmi]

a couple things here.

first off you threw the term around 'shutdown'.. I'm not really sure what you meant by that but shutdown occurs when your LH drops to near 0 which happens on every AAS cycle after about 2-3 weeks. i think you are confusing that with low libido.

2nd all that clomid you ran did you no favors on the libido department.. MOST guys libido gets killed on clomid, notice i said MOST.. some guys swear by it but 90% have libido crashes.

3rd that pct is 'okay' .. its not the pct i would of put together for you but it was 'okay'.. if you wanted a superior pct you should of came to me before your cycle and i would of put one together for you

4th your current bloods show your LH and FSH in the 3's and 4's which are normal.. but your T is lagging which does take longer to rebound.. run bloods again in 3 weeks and see if you keep improving.. and then you will know you are still in recovery.. you ran a 17 week cycle and only did a 6 week pct.. so just isn't enough time

5th.. your libido issues are totally separate than T levels.. i'm not sure who told you that they track each other but that is not always the case. plenty of guys are on TRT and still can't get it up or have low libido and their T levels are 900. so it means nothing.

6th .. what you do now is get on a quality T booster that is NON SUPPRESSIVE and stop playing with your hormones with SERM's, AI's, etc. let your body recover.. a bottle of T stack Rx at 3 caps per day for the next 30 days will boost your libido.. and then when you get new bloods we will know if you are on the right trajectory which the T stack will definately help you with.

http://w3.teststackrx.com/109.html << here is the link.. 20% off HZI7WTBZ is the code.. get a bottle asap.. they ship next day and you will feel better

 

[RickRock13]

I wpuld guess that you just havent recovered completely yet. You ran a very suppressive cycle, and recovery takes time even with the proper things you run to bring you back to normal.
Everything will eventually come back to normal more than likely but you just have to give it time. I wouldn't even think of cycling for a while. You need to normalize for a while before going on again.

In the meantime you could run another PCT to bring things back to normal.

Run a bottle of Test stack and that should help test levels and libido fairly quickly.

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...17-not-your-average-test-booster-1257533.html

 

[Diamond88]

Steve need some urgent help, blood tests came back after having HCG for 2 wks 2500iu every other day with 20mg nolvadex and 100mg clomid (Power pct). My test levels have gone up but my lh and FSH levels are still near enough zero, can you please advise .

 

[Zyglamail]

Steve need some urgent help, blood tests came back after having HCG for 2 wks 2500iu every other day with 20mg nolvadex and 100mg clomid (Power pct). My test levels have gone up but my lh and FSH levels are still near enough zero, can you please advise .

How soon after HCG use did you get labs done?

HCG mimicks LH so when you take HCG is coaxes the testis into producing test BUT since the HCG is doing the work of the LH, the pituitary (where LH is produced) is going to be suppressed.

When you run a cycle, the whole chain gets suppressed and while HCG can get the testis working it keeps the pituitary suppressed and thats why people say to use HCG at the tail end of your cycle before starting PCT.