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Blockbuster says FU to HD DVD format

Bluray will win the HD war. There is no doubt in my mind.

People, myself included, are tired of Microsoft shitting on it's customers.
 
Wow... this is interesting.

Remember Sony has lost all the past format battles...

Beta, MD, Etc....
 
alien amp pharm said:
Bluray will win the HD war. There is no doubt in my mind.

People, myself included, are tired of Microsoft shitting on it's customers.



Sony does plenty of shitting themselves....

They had a fucking virus included, on purpose, on a bunch of CDs that they produced...

It litterally broke your fucking computer on purpose - it kept you from ripping MP3s from any CD on that computer ever again.... they got their asses sued for that one...
 
The Porn industry hasn't weighed in yet. Guess they don't want to see all those skanks in high-definition yet. Porn is what killed Betamax.
 
redguru said:
The Porn industry hasn't weighed in yet. Guess they don't want to see all those skanks in high-definition yet. Porn is what killed Betamax.

that was preinternet though.. now internet is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
jh1 said:
Sony does plenty of shitting themselves....

They had a fucking virus included, on purpose, on a bunch of CDs that they produced...

It litterally broke your fucking computer on purpose - it kept you from ripping MP3s from any CD on that computer ever again.... they got their asses sued for that one...

agreed.

Screw them both!
 
jh1 said:
Sony does plenty of shitting themselves....

They had a fucking virus included, on purpose, on a bunch of CDs that they produced...

It litterally broke your fucking computer on purpose - it kept you from ripping MP3s from any CD on that computer ever again.... they got their asses sued for that one...


Viruses exploit Sony CD anti-piracy scheme
Hackers use copy-protection software to hide in PCs

SAN JOSE, Calif. - A controversial copy-protection program that automatically installs when some Sony BMG audio CDs are played on personal computers is now being targeted by malicious software that exploits the antipiracy technology’s ability to hide files.

The Trojan horse programs — three have so far been identified by anti-virus companies — are named so as to trigger the cloaking feature of Sony’s XCP2 antipiracy technology, security experts said Thursday.

“This could be the advanced guard,” said Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant at the security firm Sophos. “We wouldn’t be surprised at all if we saw more malware that exploits what Sony has introduced.”
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The copy protection program is included on about 20 popular music titles, including releases by Van Zant and The Bad Plus, and disclosure of its existence has raised the ire of many in the computing community, who consider it to constitute spyware.

Sony BMG Music Entertainment and the company that developed the software, First 4 Internet, have claimed that the technology poses no security threat. Still, Sony posted a patch last week that uncloaks files hidden by the software.

On Thursday, Sony released a statement “deeply regretting any disruption that this may have caused.” It also said it was working with Symantec and other firms to ensure any content-protection technology “continues to be safe.”

Neither Sony spokesman John McKay nor First 4 Internet CEO Mathew Gilliat-Smith returned messages seeking additional comment.

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Windows expert Mark Russinovich discovered the hidden copy-protection technology on Oct. 31 and posted his findings on his Web log. He noted that the license agreement that pops up said a small program would be installed, but it did not specify it would be hidden.

Manual attempts to remove the software can disable the PC’s CD drive. Sony offers an uninstallation program, but consumers must request it by filling out two forms on the Internet.

“What they did was not intentionally malicious,” Cluley said. “If anything, it was slightly inept.”

The copy-protection software, which Sony says is a necessary “speed bump” to limit how many times a CD is copied, only works on Windows-based PCs. Users of Macintosh and Linux computers are not restricted.

The viruses also only target Windows-based machines.

The infection opens up a backdoor, which could be used to steal personal information, launch attacks on other computers and send spam, antivirus companies said.

Sony also is facing legal headaches. On Nov. 1, Alexander Guevara filed suit in Los Angeles County Superior Court seeking class action staus. He claims Sony’s actions constituted fraud, false advertising, trespass and violated state and federal laws barring malware and computer tampering.

His attorney, Alan Himmelfarb, did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

“Entertainment companies often complain that fans refuse to respect their intellectual property rights. Yet tools like this refuse to respect our own personal property rights,” said Jason Schultz, a staff attorney for the Electronic Freedom Foundation. “Sony’s tactics here are hypocritical, in addition to being a security threat.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9991596/

http://www.trap17.com/forums/sony-virus-t30710.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/10/sony_drm_trojan/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4427606.stm


It sounds like it was the hackers who exploited Sony's tight-assed copy protection. Hackers need to die. They're a big part of the reason why companies like Microsoft and Sony clamp down, inconveniencing the rest of us.
 
alien amp pharm said:
People, myself included, are tired of Microsoft shitting on it's customers.

Pretty sure Toshiba is the main force behind HD-DVD, Micorsoft just had them create the add on drive for their 360...
 
redguru said:
The Porn industry hasn't weighed in yet. Guess they don't want to see all those skanks in high-definition yet. Porn is what killed Betamax.



no bro porn has they are using both formats blueray and hd dvd. you can buy porn on both formats now if you want there all over the net
 
redguru said:
The Porn industry hasn't weighed in yet. Guess they don't want to see all those skanks in high-definition yet. Porn is what killed Betamax.
Hi def would kill porn. LOL!!!
 
WODIN said:
Hi def would kill porn. LOL!!!


agreed i have seen blueray porn and hd dvd porn and its fucking nasty you see details you dont ever want to see
 
WODIN said:
Hi def would kill porn. LOL!!!



LOL Yeah, VCR tapes ruled!!! The chicks looked hot as hell on those. No pimply asses. Well, not too many.

Actually, OK a lot of pimply asses, but hey, they sucked a big hard cock.

Well, it wasn't hard... no Viagra yet back then.

ummm. delete/alt/redo/esc//.net!1
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
It sounds like it was the hackers who exploited Sony's tight-assed copy protection. Hackers need to die. They're a big part of the reason why companies like Microsoft and Sony clamp down, inconveniencing the rest of us.

Ummm...

Installing a virus on my computer is unacceptable under any circumstances.

Sony and the likes would like to beleive that nobody has 'fair use' rights so they think that the answer is hacking my computer?

I think not.

Had the case went to court, I would have been an expert witness for the plantif...
 
gonelifting said:
LOL Yeah, VCR tapes ruled!!! The chicks looked hot as hell on those. No pimply asses. Well, not too many.

Actually, OK a lot of pimply asses, but hey, they sucked a big hard cock.

Well, it wasn't hard... no Viagra yet back then.

ummm. delete/alt/redo/esc//.net!1

u likin the big hard cock?
 
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I thought the HD DVD was technically better?
 
jh1 said:
Ummm...

Installing a virus on my computer is unacceptable under any circumstances.

Sony and the likes would like to beleive that nobody has 'fair use' rights so they think that the answer is hacking my computer?

I think not.

Had the case went to court, I would have been an expert witness for the plantif...


The articles state that hackers exploited Sony's legit copy protection to install viruses. Sony didn't install any virus. If anything you can blame Microsoft's OS security. Windows seemed to be the only format the copy protection software was a problem with.
 
lol @ this is big news

the blu-ray section at bb is what, 12 movies???

most of them prolly came FREE from sony. whihc explains why bb is carryig them.

the blu-ray seciton at bb is pointless to them. they probably get 5 rentals a week out of that section. it's there mainly as advertising for sony.

the key winner: is when someone creates a $200 computer dvd-rom and a $150 home player with 1080p.

no one will know while players are still $500 and shit. Until then, HDMI is what people will use - and does the job fine as far as i'm concerned.
 
Razorguns said:
lol @ this is big news

the blu-ray section at bb is what, 12 movies???

most of them prolly came FREE from sony. whihc explains why bb is carryig them.

the blu-ray seciton at bb is pointless to them. they probably get 5 rentals a week out of that section. it's there mainly as advertising for sony.

the key winner: is when someone creates a $200 computer dvd-rom and a $150 home player with 1080p.

no one will know while players are still $500 and shit. Until then, HDMI is what people will use - and does the job fine as far as i'm concerned.


HDMI requires a high def. format to take full advantage of that digital signal though, so they kinda go hand in hand.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
The articles state that hackers exploited Sony's legit copy protection to install viruses. Sony didn't install any virus.



:rolleyes:

Sony installed software without your permission - on your computer when you simply inserted a Audio CD - that software WAS a unwanted malware that broke certain functionaility on your computer, it also had flaws that left your computer vulnerable to hackers.

Sony invaded your computer, broke it and left it vulnerable...
 
anthrax said:
I thought the HD DVD was technically better?


No, I believe BluRay has more available space.(?) Maybe someone else can answer that.
 
jh1 said:
:rolleyes:

Sony installed software without your permission - on your computer when you simply inserted a Audio CD - that software WAS a unwanted malware that broke certain functionaility on your computer, it also had flaws that left your computer vulnerable to hackers.

Sony invaded your computer, broke it and left it vulnerable...

I see your point; they obviously should have thought it through some more. However, the issue still lies with Windows-based PC's. Macs and regular cd/dvd players have no problem with it. "The Sony BMG copy-protection software does not install itself on Macintosh computers or ordinary CD and DVD players."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175188,00.html
This leaves the problem somewhere within Windows architecture. And to think the Microsoft/Sony rivalry ran this deep.
 
jh1 said:
Wow... this is interesting.

Remember Sony has lost all the past format battles...

Beta, MD, Etc....

What format battle did MD lose?
 
Mr. dB said:
What format battle did MD lose?



It pretty much just lost out to MP3 players... not really a direct competition, just a dead format for the most part...

It was super compressed digital format - but it was mechanical and different than MP3 encoding. MP3 could be encoded on portable mechanical formats - but why with solid state shiat out there.

Some ipods are mechanical, but not removable media like a MD.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
"The Sony BMG copy-protection software does not install itself on Macintosh computers or ordinary CD and DVD players."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175188,00.html
This leaves the problem somewhere within Windows architecture. And to think the Microsoft/Sony rivalry ran this deep.


It didn't install on Macintosh because it wasn't designed to. It didn't install on ordinary CD players or DVD players because it couldn't.

It was designed for and targeted PCs, and it intentionally broke certain functionaility. No blame lies with Windows or their architecture on this one... sony takes the full blame on this deal.

Further, the functionaility it took away prevented music listeners from exercising 'fair use'.... sony is a bunch of fucks, but they aren't alone. Corporate copy right holders world wide keep trying to take away consumers rights then bitch when people try to bypass their bullshit schemes...
 
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HD = 720p

BlueRay = 1080p

People will not see a big difference unless they have a TV with a screen over 55" or sit real close.

Interesting battle.

I'm still happy with video. Great time to buy tape in my opinion.
 
jh1 said:
It pretty much just lost out to MP3 players... not really a direct competition, just a dead format for the most part...

It was super compressed digital format - but it was mechanical and different than MP3 encoding. MP3 could be encoded on portable mechanical formats - but why with solid state shiat out there.

Some ipods are mechanical, but not removable media like a MD.

MD was fifteen years ago, and was reasonably popular in some circles until fairly recently, when downloadable file-sharing took over. MD's competition was the Philips Digital Compact Cassette, which was an abortion which lacked random access. the DCC died on the vine, so the MD actually won its format war, and wasn't killed until the next generation of formats took over.
 
Mr. Black said:
Pretty sure Toshiba is the main force behind HD-DVD, Micorsoft just had them create the add on drive for their 360...

Yep. My gripe with Microsoft is the xbox360 and how they keep dodging the fact that it has faulty hardware.

Everytime they are questioned about the very high failure rate they respond "We cannot disclose that information".

Fuckers want me to pay $140 to fix their faulty machine.

To hell with M$ I say, after being a loyal supporter for years.

Go Bluray!
 
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