500 tren would make me feel like hell and those around me. I was ignorant or uneducated my 1st cycle and followed advice to to 400 each of tren test and mast and ended up in jail and divorced. Just my experience. I get incredible results from 150-200mg of tren with test and something else if desired like npp deca mast or eq. I get no bad sides at that dose and bad ones higher. It's amazing what a low dose of tren does.