Nothing compares to Tren Ace, nothing, period. I've used EVERYTHING except Anadrol. I agree w/ Nelson DBol is very strong-I've run 2 DBol only 6 wk cycles: 25 mg/day for 1st 3 wks then 12.5 mg/day for last 3 wks-very good strength but Tren is king. TREN for sTRENgth will now become a TRENd. I am the TRENdsetter. IMHO that deserves some Karma right there boys & girls.