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Best AAS for stubborn belly fat

oxandrolone, though improving insulin sensitivity with cardio, diet, glucorell, fish oil, sesapure, etc... will produce better results

J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Oct;89(10):4863-72. Links
Effects of androgen therapy on adipose tissue and metabolism in older men.Schroeder ET, Zheng L, Ong MD, Martinez C, Flores C, Stewart Y, Azen C, Sattler FR.
Department of Medicine and Division of Infectious Diseases, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California 90033, USA.

We investigated the effects of oxandrolone on regional fat compartments and markers of metabolism. Thirty-two 60- to 87-yr-old men (body mass index, 28.1 +/- 3.4 kg/m(2)) were randomized to oxandrolone (20 mg/d; n = 20) or matching placebo (n = 12) treatment for 12 wk. Oxandrolone reduced total (-1.8 +/- 1.0 kg; P < 0.001), trunk (-1.2 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.001), and appendicular (-0.6 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.001) fat, as determined by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry. The changes in total and trunk fat were greater (P < 0.001) than the changes with placebo. By magnetic resonance imaging, visceral adipose tissue decreased (-20.9 +/- 12 cm(2); P < 0.001), abdominal sc adipose tissue (SAT) declined (-10.7 +/- 12.1 cm(2); P = 0.043), the ratio VAT/SAT declined from 0.57 +/- 0.23 to 0.49 +/- 0.19 (P = 0.002), and proximal and distal thigh SC fat declined [-8.3 +/- 6.7 cm(2) (P < 0.001) and -2.2 +/- 3.0 kg (P = 0.004), respectively]. Changes in proximal and distal thigh SC fat with oxandrolone were different than with placebo (P = 0.018 and P = 0.059). A marker of insulin sensitivity (quantitative insulin sensitivity check index) improved with oxandrolone by 0.0041 +/- 0.0071 (P = 0.018) at study wk 12. Changes in total fat, abdominal SAT, and proximal extremity SC fat were correlated with changes in fasting insulin from baseline to study wk 12 (r >or= 0.45; P < 0.05). Losses of total fat and SAT were greater in men with baseline testosterone of 10.4 nmol/liter or less (<or= 300 ng/dl) than in those with higher levels [-2.5 +/- 1.1 vs. -1.5 +/- 0.8 kg (P = 0.036) and -24.1 +/- 14.3 vs. -2.9 +/- 21.3 cm(2) (P = 0.03), respectively]. Twelve weeks after discontinuing oxandrolone, 83% of the reductions in total, trunk, and extremity fat by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry scanning were sustained (P < 0.02). Androgen therapy, therefore, produced significant and durable reductions in regional abdominal and peripheral adipose tissue that were associated with improvements in estimates of insulin sensitivity. However, high-density lipoprotein cholesterol decreased by -0.49 +/- 0.21 mmol/liter and directly measured low-density lipoprotein cholesterol increased by 0.57 +/- 0.67 mmol/liter and non-high-density lipoprotein cholesterol increased by 0.54 +/- 0.97 mmol/liter (P < 0.03 for each) during treatment with oxandrolone; these changes were largely reversible. Thus, therapy with an androgen that does not adversely affect lipids may be beneficial for some components of the metabolic syndrome in overweight older men with low testosterone levels.
 
I know about cardio, but how intensive should the cardio be.. i mean i don't want to loose muscle, possibly... i'm still trying to gain more mass right now. On the Sesapure, i need to know how to use that properly for best results plz.
 
2horns said:
diet and cardio
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dang it..

yep, it's true..

food is the key..

the issue is what AAS will help to mobilize and utilize and facilitate the reduction of fat..

it's kind of different for everyone..

one guy will swear by winny

another will say tren

another will say var :)

mast is another but most realize you need low BF to make this one work..

heck i could even tell you how to use deca in a cutter..

and i can use clen/t3 to drop 4% bf.. so everyone is different..
 
TREN is always the answer. What's the best cutter? TREN! What's the best for legit size and strength? TREN! What's the meaning to life? TREN! What do I love more than pussy? TRE..........fuck that, pussy is why I do this shit in the first place.
 
bluetwistedsteel67 said:
TREN is always the answer. What's the best cutter? TREN! What's the best for legit size and strength? TREN! What's the meaning to life? TREN! What do I love more than pussy? TRE..........fuck that, pussy is why I do this shit in the first place.
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LOL! hell yea brotha
 
bluetwistedsteel67 said:
TREN is always the answer. What's the best cutter? TREN! What's the best for legit size and strength? TREN! What's the meaning to life? TREN! What do I love more than pussy? TRE..........fuck that, pussy is why I do this shit in the first place.
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hey, do you like tren?? :rainbow:
 
macrophage69alpha said:
Thirty-two 60- to 87-yr-old men (body mass index, 28.1 +/- 3.4 kg/m(2)) were randomized to oxandrolone (20 mg/d; n = 20) or matching placebo (n = 12) treatment for 12 wk. Oxandrolone reduced total (-1.8 +/- 1.0 kg; P < 0.001), trunk (-1.2 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.001), ... fat, as determined by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry. ...
... Losses of total fat and SAT were greater in men with baseline testosterone of 10.4 nmol/liter or less (<or= 300 ng/dl) than in those with higher levels [-2.5 +/- 1.1 vs. -1.5 +/- 0.8 kg (P = 0.036) and -24.1 +/- 14.3 vs. -2.9 +/- 21.3 cm(2) (P = 0.03), respectively]. ...
... Thus, therapy with an androgen that does not adversely affect lipids may be beneficial for some components of the metabolic syndrome in overweight older men with low testosterone levels.
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This does raise the question of how differences in insulin levels and insulin sensitivity vary between the average age group on EF and 60-87 year olds. Further, the conclusionary statement, "Thus, therapy with an androgen that does not adversely affect lipids may be beneficial for some components of the metabolic syndrome in overweight older men with low testosterone levels" seems to really not apply to the general population of those here, unless they are overweight, rather old, and exhibit low testosterone levels. I know that these studies are rarely, if ever, done on young, healthy steroid-using bodybuilders. Nevertheless, it seems quite the extrapolation when applied here.

I don't know if "stubborn belly fat" refers to a 42" waist or to losing that last subcu fat for competition, but it seems the credited response would be, depending on circumstances, either diet/cardio or drugs more geared towards weight loss.



:cow:
 
Every morning I eat a zero calorie breakfast-

PUSSY
Tastes great
Less Filling
And the breakfast of champions

Then I do cardio for bout an hour.
 
mauit44 said:
What is the best in your opinion?
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I don't believe in using steroids to "burn bodyfat," rather a good diet/cardio/training regiment is in order.

Try a bodyopus, with the normal BP interval training/cardio. You can add anavar/test/tren if you want....
 
my brain is not quite working right this morning, I think it's still asleep.

so, taking AAS while on a big calorie reduction will help burn more fat than muscle? Or do you need to find your maintenance calorie level and just hit up the cardio more? or...or, the list continues... :worried:

I think it varies so much by individual, it's hard to have a 'good' answer. I'm trying to get this bodyfat down (would love to see a single digit bf%), and just struggling a little. I am tracking my meals, picked up the intensity of my workouts, but only getting cardio in twice a week. Currently on a tren/winny/test cycle... wk 4.
 
bluetwistedsteel67 said:
TREN is always the answer. What's the best cutter? TREN! What's the best for legit size and strength? TREN! What's the meaning to life? TREN! What do I love more than pussy? TRE..........fuck that, pussy is why I do this shit in the first place.
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LOL -- too true, although I have to add slin to get much size with Tren...
 
try some helios from MDlabs. its injectable clen an yohimbine mix. sub-q in tha stomach worked excellent for me.
 
bluetwistedsteel67 said:
What dose? i don't get anything from var unless I go 80mg ed at least
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I was doing 100 and then lowered it to 60... how long were you on it for before you saw results
 
mauit44 said:
I was doing 100 and then lowered it to 60... how long were you on it for before you saw results
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I noticed it in 2 weeks. Was your source legit? At 100mg you should have felt it. Although, if that was your first time running var and you're used to stronger compounds it may just be that the results weren't as strong. It's pretty freaking mild.
 
Macro, what's the minimum amount of Oxandrolone that should be taken per day, for a man............in your opinion?



macrophage69alpha said:
oxandrolone, though improving insulin sensitivity with cardio, diet, glucorell, fish oil, sesapure, etc... will produce better results

J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Oct;89(10):4863-72. Links
Effects of androgen therapy on adipose tissue and metabolism in older men.Schroeder ET, Zheng L, Ong MD, Martinez C, Flores C, Stewart Y, Azen C, Sattler FR.
Department of Medicine and Division of Infectious Diseases, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, California 90033, USA.

We investigated the effects of oxandrolone on regional fat compartments and markers of metabolism. Thirty-two 60- to 87-yr-old men (body mass index, 28.1 +/- 3.4 kg/m(2)) were randomized to oxandrolone (20 mg/d; n = 20) or matching placebo (n = 12) treatment for 12 wk. Oxandrolone reduced total (-1.8 +/- 1.0 kg; P < 0.001), trunk (-1.2 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.001), and appendicular (-0.6 +/- 0.6 kg; P < 0.001) fat, as determined by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry. The changes in total and trunk fat were greater (P < 0.001) than the changes with placebo. By magnetic resonance imaging, visceral adipose tissue decreased (-20.9 +/- 12 cm(2); P < 0.001), abdominal sc adipose tissue (SAT) declined (-10.7 +/- 12.1 cm(2); P = 0.043), the ratio VAT/SAT declined from 0.57 +/- 0.23 to 0.49 +/- 0.19 (P = 0.002), and proximal and distal thigh SC fat declined [-8.3 +/- 6.7 cm(2) (P < 0.001) and -2.2 +/- 3.0 kg (P = 0.004), respectively]. Changes in proximal and distal thigh SC fat with oxandrolone were different than with placebo (P = 0.018 and P = 0.059). A marker of insulin sensitivity (quantitative insulin sensitivity check index) improved with oxandrolone by 0.0041 +/- 0.0071 (P = 0.018) at study wk 12. Changes in total fat, abdominal SAT, and proximal extremity SC fat were correlated with changes in fasting insulin from baseline to study wk 12 (r >or= 0.45; P < 0.05). Losses of total fat and SAT were greater in men with baseline testosterone of 10.4 nmol/liter or less (<or= 300 ng/dl) than in those with higher levels [-2.5 +/- 1.1 vs. -1.5 +/- 0.8 kg (P = 0.036) and -24.1 +/- 14.3 vs. -2.9 +/- 21.3 cm(2) (P = 0.03), respectively]. Twelve weeks after discontinuing oxandrolone, 83% of the reductions in total, trunk, and extremity fat by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry scanning were sustained (P < 0.02). Androgen therapy, therefore, produced significant and durable reductions in regional abdominal and peripheral adipose tissue that were associated with improvements in estimates of insulin sensitivity. However, high-density lipoprotein cholesterol decreased by -0.49 +/- 0.21 mmol/liter and directly measured low-density lipoprotein cholesterol increased by 0.57 +/- 0.67 mmol/liter and non-high-density lipoprotein cholesterol increased by 0.54 +/- 0.97 mmol/liter (P < 0.03 for each) during treatment with oxandrolone; these changes were largely reversible. Thus, therapy with an androgen that does not adversely affect lipids may be beneficial for some components of the metabolic syndrome in overweight older men with low testosterone levels.
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bluetwistedsteel67 said:
TREN is always the answer. What's the best cutter? TREN! What's the best for legit size and strength? TREN! What's the meaning to life? TREN! What do I love more than pussy? TRE..........fuck that, pussy is why I do this shit in the first place.
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:p :p :p :p HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! LMFAO. Thats gotta be in the best quotes ever book.
 
<p>A new drug, <strong>Kybella</strong> (<strong>deoxycholic acid</strong>), that specifically targets chin fat has just been approved by the FDA</p><p> What's more is that, as a bodybuilder, you can use this drug on belly fat covering your abs to quickly dissolve fat cells and to blast fat in other areas.</p><p>Have any of you guys tried it yet? Please report here when you do.</p><p>Here's a link to a new article I wrote: </p><p><a href="http://bodybuilding.elitefitness.com/kybella-using-deoxycholic-acid-get-rid-belly-fat" target="_blank"><strong>Kybella: Using Deoxycholic Acid To Get Rid Of Belly Fat</strong></a></p><p><a href="http://bodybuilding.elitefitness.com/kybella-using-deoxycholic-acid-get-rid-belly-fat" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.elitefitness.com/images/kybella-deoxycholic-acid/kybella-deoxycholic-acid.jpg" alt="Kybella Deoxycholic Acid" /></a></p>
 
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