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I agree that drinking should affect gains but think people need to see that having a few beers once a week is not going to be the difference between gaining nothing and gaining 20 ibs lets put things into some perspective.
beer and training
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I just started my first cyle I shot 500 sus and 400 eq the first week, so it hasnt hit me yet but i have already had to turn down numerous friends from going out and drinking, they think something is wrong with me and give me the old "ok ya pussy". But i just want to get the most from the gear and i may bread down and have a sixer by the pool but hopefully not to often.
could be
Dorian Yates has a beer every day for its yeast and other things plus i guess he gets a buzz.
One a day is not the same as a sixpack, because alcohol has a tendency to dehydrate a person pretty much like too much coffee.
Pretty much bodybuilding should be viewed.( by those really serious) as either a first or second wife or girlfriend. When we are with one of them we are unfaithful to the other.
AT times we may grow stale in the relationship and do things that
may hurt them and us, When we love what we do , we do what we love to do. All I am saying is be true to yourself.
One more thing is that with bodybuilding you feel good always, except for natural reasons and with drinking and/or drugging with pay the next day or week or year.
peace bro.
Dorian Yates has a beer every day for its yeast and other things plus i guess he gets a buzz.
One a day is not the same as a sixpack, because alcohol has a tendency to dehydrate a person pretty much like too much coffee.
Pretty much bodybuilding should be viewed.( by those really serious) as either a first or second wife or girlfriend. When we are with one of them we are unfaithful to the other.
AT times we may grow stale in the relationship and do things that
may hurt them and us, When we love what we do , we do what we love to do. All I am saying is be true to yourself.
One more thing is that with bodybuilding you feel good always, except for natural reasons and with drinking and/or drugging with pay the next day or week or year.
peace bro.
nautica
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Slim, I guess you missed Fonz's post on alcohol. So here it is.
Why alcohol is anathema to bodybuilding.....
1: Alcohol Clin Exp Res 1997 Aug;21(5):792-8 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut
Studies on the time-course of ethanol's acute effects on skeletal muscle protein synthesis: comparison with acute changes in proteolytic activity.
Reilly ME, Mantle D, Richardson PJ, Salisbury J, Jones J, Peters TJ, Preedy VR.
Department of Clinical Biochemistry, King's College School of Medicine and Dentistry, London, United Kingdom.
A study of the effects of ethanol on skeletal muscle protein synthesis and protease activities was carried out in young male Wistar rats (150 g) for up to 24 hr after a single intraperitoneal dose of 75 mmol of ethanol/kg of body weight. At 20 min, the mean blood ethanol levels were 448 mg/dl. This level dropped steadily to zero through the following 24 hr.
So, this study basically looks at the effects of ethanol 24 hours
after drinking it.
Compared with pair-fed controls, significant reductions in total protein, RNA, and DNA contents were seen only after 24 hr in all skeletal muscles studied: changes were more marked in the muscles containing large proportions of type II fibers. In plantaris muscle, the fractional rate of protein synthesis (ks, %/day) did not fall 20 min after dosage but was reduced after 1 hr by 23% (p < 0.001), and by 63% after 24 hr, compared with control saline-injected rats (p < 0.001).
So, let us see.......23% reduction in protein synthesis after
1 hr and 63%!!!! after 24 hours.
This effect was independent of dietary intake because,
VERY IMPORTANT: Effect was independent of dietary intake.
SO, even with a PERFECT diet, ethanol still wreaks HAVOC
with your bodies anabolicity.
compared with the pair-fed group, the 24-hr ethanol-treated rats still showed a 52% decrease in fractional rates of protein synthesis (p < 0.001). Smaller reductions in ks were seen in soleus muscles in response to ethanol at 24 hr (-39%, p < 0.001). The activities of a variety of lysosomal and nonlysosomal proteases in plantaris muscle of 24-hr treated rats were not significantly affected by ethanol. Only alanyl- and tripeptidyl-aminopeptidase activities were reduced significantly (26%, p < 0.05 and 39%, p < 0.01, respectively). These results suggest that the muscle compositional changes seen over acute periods of ethanol toxicity are predominantly associated with impaired synthesis of protein and that the contribution of cellular proteolytic systems may be minimal.
Again,
The effects of ethanol on skeletal muscle protein metabolism are greater in muscles containing a predominance of type II fibers than in those containing mainly type I fibers.
Type II fibers= LARGE muscle fibers for TRAINING.
Type I=Fast twitch for activities like walking.
Ethanol's effects on muscle may be influenced by hormonal changes after 24 hr, because protein synthesis is still compromised and free plasma T3 and corticosterone are altered at this time-point.
Even worse, ethanol causes a HORMONAL shift. It increases
estrogen through the up-regulation of the aromatase enzyme,
lowers testosterone,increases cortisol and to boot reduces
free T3 levels.
PMID: 9267527 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
So, the next time you go drinking go for some non-alcoholic
drinks if on cycle. Or use an alcohol replacer.
If you drink, and wonder why you don't grow, well......
read and learn then, because this is for you.
Fonz
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02-Apr-2002 08:12 AM
Good luck
Nautica
Why alcohol is anathema to bodybuilding.....
1: Alcohol Clin Exp Res 1997 Aug;21(5):792-8 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut
Studies on the time-course of ethanol's acute effects on skeletal muscle protein synthesis: comparison with acute changes in proteolytic activity.
Reilly ME, Mantle D, Richardson PJ, Salisbury J, Jones J, Peters TJ, Preedy VR.
Department of Clinical Biochemistry, King's College School of Medicine and Dentistry, London, United Kingdom.
A study of the effects of ethanol on skeletal muscle protein synthesis and protease activities was carried out in young male Wistar rats (150 g) for up to 24 hr after a single intraperitoneal dose of 75 mmol of ethanol/kg of body weight. At 20 min, the mean blood ethanol levels were 448 mg/dl. This level dropped steadily to zero through the following 24 hr.
So, this study basically looks at the effects of ethanol 24 hours
after drinking it.
Compared with pair-fed controls, significant reductions in total protein, RNA, and DNA contents were seen only after 24 hr in all skeletal muscles studied: changes were more marked in the muscles containing large proportions of type II fibers. In plantaris muscle, the fractional rate of protein synthesis (ks, %/day) did not fall 20 min after dosage but was reduced after 1 hr by 23% (p < 0.001), and by 63% after 24 hr, compared with control saline-injected rats (p < 0.001).
So, let us see.......23% reduction in protein synthesis after
1 hr and 63%!!!! after 24 hours.
This effect was independent of dietary intake because,
VERY IMPORTANT: Effect was independent of dietary intake.
SO, even with a PERFECT diet, ethanol still wreaks HAVOC
with your bodies anabolicity.
compared with the pair-fed group, the 24-hr ethanol-treated rats still showed a 52% decrease in fractional rates of protein synthesis (p < 0.001). Smaller reductions in ks were seen in soleus muscles in response to ethanol at 24 hr (-39%, p < 0.001). The activities of a variety of lysosomal and nonlysosomal proteases in plantaris muscle of 24-hr treated rats were not significantly affected by ethanol. Only alanyl- and tripeptidyl-aminopeptidase activities were reduced significantly (26%, p < 0.05 and 39%, p < 0.01, respectively). These results suggest that the muscle compositional changes seen over acute periods of ethanol toxicity are predominantly associated with impaired synthesis of protein and that the contribution of cellular proteolytic systems may be minimal.
Again,
The effects of ethanol on skeletal muscle protein metabolism are greater in muscles containing a predominance of type II fibers than in those containing mainly type I fibers.
Type II fibers= LARGE muscle fibers for TRAINING.
Type I=Fast twitch for activities like walking.
Ethanol's effects on muscle may be influenced by hormonal changes after 24 hr, because protein synthesis is still compromised and free plasma T3 and corticosterone are altered at this time-point.
Even worse, ethanol causes a HORMONAL shift. It increases
estrogen through the up-regulation of the aromatase enzyme,
lowers testosterone,increases cortisol and to boot reduces
free T3 levels.
PMID: 9267527 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
So, the next time you go drinking go for some non-alcoholic
drinks if on cycle. Or use an alcohol replacer.
If you drink, and wonder why you don't grow, well......
read and learn then, because this is for you.
Fonz
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02-Apr-2002 08:12 AM
Good luck
Nautica
FarBeyondDriven
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Rumor has it Arnold drank dark ale for it's carbs. I don't drink at all, haven't in five years for different reasons, but I don't think alcohol is beneficial at all. I'd think smoking weed, but weed is hell on the lungs.
Chicken Wings for protien, get as much protien eating pussy, which is a better meal.
And Denny's is fat city.
I went out with some friends back home to a sports bar, they were all drinking and eating barfood. I ordered me up a steak, tripped them out but I was hungry and it's my favorite meal. Can't find any good steak houses here in MD. Place is all about crabs.
Chicken Wings for protien, get as much protien eating pussy, which is a better meal.
And Denny's is fat city.
I went out with some friends back home to a sports bar, they were all drinking and eating barfood. I ordered me up a steak, tripped them out but I was hungry and it's my favorite meal. Can't find any good steak houses here in MD. Place is all about crabs.
G ChildlihC G
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It's definately hard to stay away from, but I think you should stay away from drinking while training. I've seen a lot of my boys drinking while on cycles, everything seems fine but when they come off cycle, bellies gallore!
solidspine
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I am amazed, this is a serious question
