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baseball work out...need some advice

jvilma51

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wats up guys i need some advice on a work out for this summer.....

i play college ball and our coach is pretty much free range on weight lifting...i have a set schedule for agility and all that other good stuff.... but as far as lifting i was looking for something sport specific...i stumbled upon this offseason baseball work out in a book.....it lasts 16 weeks i only have weeks 1-8 up right now but i will be able to get the rest up later tonite....

if you guys could take a look and tell me what u think it would be great.
just a reminder it is pulled straight from the book i did no altering.

thanks
 
My specialty. I was a pro pitcher, until my damn elbow went to hell. Tommy John and all that other shit.



What position do you play?
 
My hell, this Workout program is shit. Repeats every other day. Way too much especially since I assume you are practicing every single day plus daily conditioning.

Lift at maximum one body part or group every 4 days, meaning you lift and take 3 days off and go again on the same part. Every other day will burn you out quicker than you can say Mickey Mantle.

#1 Have a lot of high protein munchies readily available. Shakes and protein bars, eggs and chicken already cooked. Make sure you get enough food, and quality carbs Oatmeal and wheat bread. Sugars from gatorade and stuff are good during the game and practice, but off the field, stick the low GI carbs.

#2 Rotator cuff excercises should be done every single day. Don't use anything over 5 lbs if you are a pitcher. High rep very low weight. Having big tight shoulders will only bring complications to anyone that needs a strong throwing arm. the throwing motion is very violent.

Are you familiar with the 21? 3 sets of 7 different excercises for the rotator cuff daily. Low resistance weight, 20 reps.

As far as upper body movements, don't do anything heavier than you can complete 10 reps minimum every set, So if you can't do 10 reps on any excercise, it's too heavy. your goal isn't to be a muscle freak, it's to be lean, flexible and in shape. Flexibility is important. Lifting heavy weight low rep is going to compromise that. Don't do it. Heavy bench puts a lot of stress on the shoulders, not what a baseball player wants unless he's a DH. If you have a spotter, and he needs to help you do a lift, that's the last rep for that set, period.


I would stick to leg presses only. Squats can stress the knee too much if you are also doing daily conditioning, and agillity training. Leg extensions are fine, but going heavy also stresses the patelal ligament, which you don't need to injure. even the leg presses wil stress the knee, but do just those or just squats. I'd stick to leg presses though.

Basically, if you are dong a bunch of conditioning daily, doing anything more than some leg presses are going to push you to the edge of over doing it. your agility and speed training will strengthen your ham strings enough, so doing any type of lift to stress those directly is a bad idea.




If this were football, this all would be crappy advice, but you play baseball. You don't need to bench 400 lbs, you don't need to weigh 260.

I've seen so many guys through the ranks that decide they wanna lift to get huge, and get hurt in the process because the lifiting plus practice and conditioning overdoes it and they pull a muscle, or even tear something. It comes from over doing it, and lack of flexibility. Now, if you were on juice it's a different story, but I don't reccomend that especially since baseball is the witch in a witch hunt right now.


what's your height and weight etc?
 
i am right now at about 5'10 197 thats me in the pic....i am a third basemen and my secondary position would be 1b or dh.....

i am doing everyday conditioning and agility along with bp and tee work fielding ground balls ect. its just that now that i am tryin to lift specifically for the sport instead of ya kno just the run of the mill work out its been a little tough for me to find the right mix....

i really appreciate all your time and effort...

hope to hear from u guys soon
 
jvilma51 said:
i am right now at about 5'10 197 thats me in the pic....i am a third basemen and my secondary position would be 1b or dh.....

i am doing everyday conditioning and agility along with bp and tee work fielding ground balls ect. its just that now that i am tryin to lift specifically for the sport instead of ya kno just the run of the mill work out its been a little tough for me to find the right mix....

i really appreciate all your time and effort...

hope to hear from u guys soon


I was a pitcher myself, Rick Andersen (Minnesota Twins) was my coach when he was with the AAA team afew years back. He is a phenomenal coach. I was always told by any coach not to lift very heavy, and shoulder excercises should be done with very light weight, high rep.

As a 3rd baseman, and especially 1st/DH/C you can go for some mass. Honestly, I don't know exactly what to say because 3rd and 1st/DH are kind of different in training aspect. 5'10 197 is pretty good sized. Garciaparra is that size I think. as a 1B or DH, you could lift heavy and be good with that. But since a 3rd baseman requires a strong arm for those long throw from a backhand grounder, I would suggest being cautious about how intensley you lift your shoulder. It's complicated really.

I'll let Techbasbeall give his suggestions because i specialize in pitchers.

I know how rigorous training is, and weight training on top of that can be a bitch to cope with. I focused on core and legs rather than upper body as a pitcher, only emphasizing my shoulder as any UB excercising apart from throwing. The rest was just long toss and pen work, then conditioning. i was more worried about keeping solid mechanics and a strong core/legs vs. hitting bombs and being agile. My back up spot was OF cuz I ran a 6.7, but after being labled a pitcher, and getting tommy john, my ass was done.

Anyway, I would just stick to bench press, leg presses and any other fundamental exercises. No less than 10 reps per set, and if you can't do 10 reps back off on the weight a little. 3 maybe 4 sets per movement.

Now that I'm into bodybuilding my mindset is a bit different going purely for mass and strength, and I'm trying to activate my old baseball training mentality. Funny how that slips away if you don't use it.
 
Longhorn85 said:
Latest copy of Men's Health has articles by Derek Jeter and Jacoby Ellsbury


http://www.menshealth.com/cda/artic...item=a17a2979adaaf010VgnVCM10000013281eac____

thanks for the link...i already do stuff like that in my conditioning in agility part....i am jsut really trying to create a solid lifting program instead of spending the whole off season trying different things

thanks for the advice dabuffguy sorry to hear bout the tommy john that sux

hope to hear what techbaseball has to say... hope he can help...thanks
 
Any other questions bro that I could help with? Sorry I'm a pitcher's kinda guy, but I'll help anyway I can. Can you get one on one time with your caoch and see what he suggests? Maybe in your city there is a local pro team you could contact the strength and conditioning coach or something. Sometimes people will help you out if they are in a really good mood. That way you get your name around more as well.
 
Well, I wasn't going to say anything as I don't play baseball but I do have a cut and paste written by Jay Ferrugia for elitefts.com. I've included the part relevent to strength training:
Now we have to look at what a s&c program can help baseball players with. Injury prevention is always first on the list. So we have to look at the high frequency of Tommy John surgeries and rotator injuries as our main concern. The rotator cuff must be strengthened through various external rotation exercises. I have noticed that many baseball teams also do loaded internal rotation exercises but I don't see the logic in this. Everything you do in baseball is in internal rotation so what you want to do is work the opposing muscles of the external rotators. This will help to offset imbalances and keep the shoulder healthy. The muscles of the rear delts, rhomboids and entire upper back must also be strengthened as much as possible. The biceps are the muscles that decelerate the arm when throwing. As such they must be strengthened optimally as well. By doing a lot of chin up and row variations this is pretty much taken care of but I always like to throw in some direct arm work as well. With all of the lat/upper back and direct bicep work I usually like to emphasize the eccentric portion of the lift as that is how the biceps contract when throwing.

The aforementioned injuries can also help to be prevented by maximizing the strength of the lower body and the core. This is where all the power is generated. Some pitchers have incredibly strong arms and can throw the ball unbelievably fast. The problem is that over time this will lead to problems if their lower bodies are not up to par and they end up being "all arm." I have all of my pitchers push their squats and deads through the roof. I have several pitchers who can all squat in the mid 400's and pull over 500. So far they are all injury free. I believe this is one of the reasons.

With the main injury prone areas addressed lets next look at what we can do to improve a baseball players game. Getting stronger will obviously help hit the ball further. Again, all of the power is generated in the lower body and core. The lats are also of critical importance and would best serve as the upper body max effort lifts. Finally, forearm strength can not be overlooked and should be included in every baseball training program.

Getting stronger will also improve linear speed (home to first) and lateral speed (jump on a steal attempt). It is often suggested to split these two speed sessions into separate workouts on different days but I think that is overkill for kids at the high school level. Besides the last time I checked every sport included both types of speed in the same game. Again, we need to focus on exercises such as squats, dead lifts and a wide variety of single leg movements such as split squats and step ups. Baseball is all about transferring power from one leg to the other so we need to address unilateral work in our training.

And he has a template for a 3 day a week program:

Here is an example of a specific workout:
Monday
1) Hang clean- 5x3
2) Squat- 4x5 or 5x3 or 5RM or 3RM, etc. (Whatever option you choose, this is intended to be your heavy exercise of the day)
3A) Chin Up- 4xas many as possible
3B) 1 Arm Flat DB Press- 3x8-10
4) 1 ARm External Rotation- 3x10-15
5) Ab circuit- Side raise on ghr, inc reverse crunch, swiss ball crunch- 2-3x10-20
6) Wrist Roller- 3x1

Wednesday
1) Box Jumps- 5x6
2) Pullup- same as squats on monday
3) Chain suspended pushup- 3x amap
4) Kneeling Scarecrow-3x10-12
5) External Rotations- 2x20
6) Ab Circuit- Med ball russian twist, lying leg raise, janda sit up
7) Farmers walk- 1x100 yards or 1x around the bases or 3x90 feet, etc

Friday
1) Med ball overhead scoop throw- 6x1
2A) DB Split Squat- 3x6-10
2B) 1 Arm DB Row- 3x6-10
3A) 1 Leg Back Extension- 3x8-12
3B) Offset Med Ball pushup- 3x6-10
4) External Rotations- 2-3x15
5) Ab Circuit- barbell russian twist, hanging knee raise
6) Towel Hang- 1 x 30 sec
 
dabuffguy said:
Any other questions bro that I could help with? Sorry I'm a pitcher's kinda guy, but I'll help anyway I can. Can you get one on one time with your caoch and see what he suggests? Maybe in your city there is a local pro team you could contact the strength and conditioning coach or something. Sometimes people will help you out if they are in a really good mood. That way you get your name around more as well.


thanks for all your help man i really appreciate it i just have one question u said lift for days then take three days off for that body part....now i can interpret this two ways one the first being lets say work out mon tues wed and thurs then three days off....or do u mean pretty much lift 7 days a week? and just continue that 4 day cycle?

also so wat kind of body part or splite would u recomend? as far as combination of body parts within these days?
 
fortunatesun said:
Well, I wasn't going to say anything as I don't play baseball but I do have a cut and paste written by Jay Ferrugia for elitefts.com. I've included the part relevent to strength training:


And he has a template for a 3 day a week program:

thanks bro this helps alot... and anything that helps is appreciated
 
jvilma51 said:
thanks for all your help man i really appreciate it i just have one question u said lift for days then take three days off for that body part....now i can interpret this two ways one the first being lets say work out mon tues wed and thurs then three days off....or do u mean pretty much lift 7 days a week? and just continue that 4 day cycle?

also so wat kind of body part or splite would u recomend? as far as combination of body parts within these days?


It means that if you lift chest/shoulder/triceps mondays, lift it again on friday meaning tuesday is back/biceps and wednesday is legs. I would take a day off after lifting legs as it takes a lot of energy out of your body. You could even take 2 days off, but since you won't be lifting a really heavy weight (10+ reps a set), you will recover faster. Shouldn't be more than 3 day cycle. Training muscle groups that work together. Chest one day, back then next, and then legs. That's all you need. take a day or even 2 days off if you are really exhausted, and go again. If you have a leg lifting day that falls on agility training, do your agility training first. Lifting first will cause injury due to tight muscles.

Oh, and don't do skull crusher. Bad for a throwing arm in the elbow. stick to dips and tricep ropes.

On back days, do cable rows, dumb bell lat pulldowns or pullups. I prefer pullups, but I do both of them to keep things fresh. Reverse flies are really good for your decellerators like the rear delt and are a good excercise to do. Do not do dead lifts. Feilding ground balls while recovering from doing deadlifts is asking for injury in the back or the hamstring.

One thing I did back in HS that I really like was I would get the tricep rope and put on a decent weight and go threw the swinging motion from both sides. It will help power and getting the head of the bat out quicker in the zone. It's an idea.
 
great thread. im all about baseball. played from t-ball through highschool and american legion. didnt go to college because i made some bad decisions in life. probably could have played d2, d3 but never went. after i got my life problems stright at 21yrs old i tried to recover mylove for the game. i got involved in a mes league to see if i still had it. bythe way i pitch and play left. so the second game of the seson i got the start on the mound. i was bringing the cheese too. 2 inning 2 outs i threw a pitch and partially tore my flexor tendon. fuckin shitty!!! there were like 2 d2 players on the team and the rest were d3 and i was def getin looked a a bit because their coaches were following our squad. after the injury i hadto retire to slow pitch softball but i still love to talk baseball. love this thread.
 
dabuffguy said:
It means that if you lift chest/shoulder/triceps mondays, lift it again on friday meaning tuesday is back/biceps and wednesday is legs. I would take a day off after lifting legs as it takes a lot of energy out of your body. You could even take 2 days off, but since you won't be lifting a really heavy weight (10+ reps a set), you will recover faster. Shouldn't be more than 3 day cycle. Training muscle groups that work together. Chest one day, back then next, and then legs. That's all you need. take a day or even 2 days off if you are really exhausted, and go again. If you have a leg lifting day that falls on agility training, do your agility training first. Lifting first will cause injury due to tight muscles.

Oh, and don't do skull crusher. Bad for a throwing arm in the elbow. stick to dips and tricep ropes.

On back days, do cable rows, dumb bell lat pulldowns or pullups. I prefer pullups, but I do both of them to keep things fresh. Reverse flies are really good for your decellerators like the rear delt and are a good excercise to do. Do not do dead lifts. Feilding ground balls while recovering from doing deadlifts is asking for injury in the back or the hamstring.

One thing I did back in HS that I really like was I would get the tricep rope and put on a decent weight and go threw the swinging motion from both sides. It will help power and getting the head of the bat out quicker in the zone. It's an idea.

thanks bro i really appreciate all the time u takin to help out

all this info will really help me out and i really like the idea bout taking the rope for pulldowns and going through my swing....

i'm gonna try and draw something up in the next few days as far as a program goes....

but another question is how many exercises u think for each part.... say three for chest three for shoulders and three for tris? or is that to much?
 
jvilma51 said:
thanks bro i really appreciate all the time u takin to help out

all this info will really help me out and i really like the idea bout taking the rope for pulldowns and going through my swing....

i'm gonna try and draw something up in the next few days as far as a program goes....

but another question is how many exercises u think for each part.... say three for chest three for shoulders and three for tris? or is that to much?

different excercises?

3 sets flat bench, 3 sets incline, 3 sets shoulder press (and lightweight rotator cuff excercises daily), 3-4 sets of tris. good to go.

same for back. 3 sets of cable rows, 3 sets of pulldowns, 3 sets of db rows, 2 sets of shrugs, 3 sets of bi curls, good to go.

legs. 5-6 sets of leg presses (you can go heavy on these), 3 sets calf raises, 3 sets of hammie curls. good to go.

you shouldn't be spending more than an hour in the weight room. especially since you have all the other workouts throughout the day. It's a full load.
 
dabuffguy said:
different excercises?

3 sets flat bench, 3 sets incline, 3 sets shoulder press (and lightweight rotator cuff excercises daily), 3-4 sets of tris. good to go.

same for back. 3 sets of cable rows, 3 sets of pulldowns, 3 sets of db rows, 2 sets of shrugs, 3 sets of bi curls, good to go.

legs. 5-6 sets of leg presses (you can go heavy on these), 3 sets calf raises, 3 sets of hammie curls. good to go.

you shouldn't be spending more than an hour in the weight room. especially since you have all the other workouts throughout the day. It's a full load.

I am gonna give this a go its sounds really good.......thanks for all your help

a little off topic but are u still playin ball in like a summer league or did the arm problems stop u from playin it all?
 
jvilma51 said:
I am gonna give this a go its sounds really good.......thanks for all your help

a little off topic but are u still playin ball in like a summer league or did the arm problems stop u from playin it all?

I'm going to play summer league, but I won't pitch. I can still throw about 85 before it hurts like a bitch, wel if my arm was in shape. Not as fun as 93 though. I went out and played catch yesterday and my whole felt like crap, lol. Haven't thrown in almost a year, and haven't pitched in a game since 2005. I bet I could muster about 60mph at the moment.
 
dabuffguy said:
I'm going to play summer league, but I won't pitch. I can still throw about 85 before it hurts like a bitch, wel if my arm was in shape. Not as fun as 93 though. I went out and played catch yesterday and my whole felt like crap, lol. Haven't thrown in almost a year, and haven't pitched in a game since 2005. I bet I could muster about 60mph at the moment.


you should try hittin in the cage. i was watching my best friend play today and last night we went to the cage on campus. he threw me a bucket and it was so wierd. i havent hit since last spring, other then softball. im sore today form taking those cuts.
 
With the position your are playing (I am an ex-college baseball player who tried out for the expos)... you need to train like an athlete.... you want to do compound movements so that you simulated moving and game play... as an athlete you do not isolate muscles you use everything and to get bigger faster stronger and train smarter you have to train so through compound movements... let me know if your interested and I will come up with a simple trial plan.
 
daville said:
you should try hittin in the cage. i was watching my best friend play today and last night we went to the cage on campus. he threw me a bucket and it was so wierd. i havent hit since last spring, other then softball. im sore today form taking those cuts.

I have an 80ft cage in my back yard with one of those staionary machines that hold like 600 balls. I use it all the time. I hit mad bombs last year in the summer league. Now that I weigh about 40lbs more, and way stronger, I can see a few more going out.
 
dabuffguy said:
I have an 80ft cage in my back yard with one of those staionary machines that hold like 600 balls. I use it all the time. I hit mad bombs last year in the summer league. Now that I weigh about 40lbs more, and way stronger, I can see a few more going out.


thats cool. must be nice to have a cage at will. Keep strokin!!!
 
For batting purposes I'd concentrate on certain exercises that build the main muscles used in your swing like your forearms, abs/obliques, and legs. Maybe add exercises like wrist curls front and back, reverse EZ-bar curls, twist machine, lying twists with either a plate or medicine ball, and of course some squats or leg presses to really help drive some power in your swing. I was always a good hitter but my shoulders torn up where I can't throw any kind of ball very hard at all.
 
Hey Bro,

Sorry i haven't gotten back to you. It is baseball season... hehe.

I don't know your training history, but sounds like you kind of just been doing this and that.

I train my outfielders and corners (3rd and 1st) somewhat the same.

I start ALL of the above position players on a modified 3x5 program. By their 3rd or 4th year.. most are doing the advanced 5x5 program with few mods. Look at the training vault under Riptoe's 3X5. This program is what i run in the OFF season. Only goal is to pack on mass and strength. I want my boys to hit the crap out of the ball. If you stick with little lifts.. then expect little results at the plate. I've seen a lot of "baseball" workouts and this is going to sound a bit harsh... but they are more appropriate for girls softball. Most of the programs treat baseball players like fragile creatures. Pitchers are a different story... they are fragile little creatures. 8)

Trust me.. if you can squat 405 5x5.. you'll hit the shit out of the ball. The 3x5 program hits your core pretty good. This is the OFF season workout. Don't touch a baseball while doing this. The load is too much and you will risk injury. If you MUST throw and you decided to lift mon wed fri... then u can do some long toss on Sunday after your speed work (body should be nice and warm). Batting practice is fine on your off days.

Give the 3x5 a try for 1 cycle (9 weeks) ... PM me for the baseball additions.

Also realize that this is only a 3rd of what u need to succeed. Food and sleep is your friend.. research that as much as you have a training program.


--Techbaseball

P.S. One of the high school teams i trained from Sep-Feb leads the league in homeruns with 19!
 
Techbaseball said:
Hey Bro,

Sorry i haven't gotten back to you. It is baseball season... hehe.

I don't know your training history, but sounds like you kind of just been doing this and that.

I train my outfielders and corners (3rd and 1st) somewhat the same.

I start ALL of the above position players on a modified 3x5 program. By their 3rd or 4th year.. most are doing the advanced 5x5 program with few mods. Look at the training vault under Riptoe's 3X5. This program is what i run in the OFF season. Only goal is to pack on mass and strength. I want my boys to hit the crap out of the ball. If you stick with little lifts.. then expect little results at the plate. I've seen a lot of "baseball" workouts and this is going to sound a bit harsh... but they are more appropriate for girls softball. Most of the programs treat baseball players like fragile creatures. Pitchers are a different story... they are fragile little creatures. 8)

Trust me.. if you can squat 405 5x5.. you'll hit the shit out of the ball. The 3x5 program hits your core pretty good. This is the OFF season workout. Don't touch a baseball while doing this. The load is too much and you will risk injury. If you MUST throw and you decided to lift mon wed fri... then u can do some long toss on Sunday after your speed work (body should be nice and warm). Batting practice is fine on your off days.

Give the 3x5 a try for 1 cycle (9 weeks) ... PM me for the baseball additions.

Also realize that this is only a 3rd of what u need to succeed. Food and sleep is your friend.. research that as much as you have a training program.


--Techbaseball

P.S. One of the high school teams i trained from Sep-Feb leads the league in homeruns with 19!


Yeah, as far as training programs go, pitchers have to stick to the wussy stuff.
 
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