Backpain for 1 year, might try equipoise

[backpain]

Backpain, might try equipoise, worth a try???

Hi guys. I have been experiencing pain in my lower/middle back for almost a year now. I've been to pretty much every different kind of doctor/kiropractor, backspeciallist know to man, and noone can figure out what the problem is, at first i thought it had something to do with a damaged disk, but an x-ray showed otherwise...
Before the injury i was training alot, lifting wheight, boxing, wrestling etc 1-2 times a day, 5 days a week.
Lately i have been on a break, with very limited training because of the pain, but im starting to get back more and more now. Not because the pain has gone away but because im just getting more and more used to it.
However it is pretty stressfull to allways be walking around with pain.

So in lack of other options im considering doing a 12 week 400mg/week equipoise only cycle. I have been trying to learn as much as possible the last couple of weeks but i would like to hear what you guys have to say about it...
Do you think it is worth a shot, could it relieve me from the pain?
During the cycle i will be concentrating mostly on strengthening my back and i will hopfully put on a few extra pounds.

I have read about other cases where this has helped to speed up the healing of different kinds of injuries.

Here are a few things you should know about me.
22 years of age.
78kg, 184cm, athletic build, almost no bodyfat

Please, any comment is greatly appreciated, thank you!

 

[socket]

Hgh?

 

[backpain]

I should probably add that i have no previous experience using steroids.

 

[justinjones1963]

Have you seen a physical therapist? If the problem has persisted that long then I would tend to believe it may be a back instability problem.& steroids in the world will not fix a problem like that. Docs may have overlooked it and chiropractors only realign the vertebrae, which in some cases, can cause more problems. See if you can get a referral to see a physical therapist who can give you a solid evaluation.

 

[lartinos]

damn metric scale, lol. I used to have shoulder pain from working out. When I started using AAS and bulit up my delt muscles my shoulder pain dissappeared. I also don't left like an idiot which helps.

 

[backpain]

thank you for your responses, i have been to a physical therapist. he couldnt help really tell me what the problem was though. after examining me he said everything pointed toward some kind of disk damage, but since the x-ray shows they are intact it has to be something else. he hadn't seen anything like it before. so the only thing left i can think of is to try and build my back muscles up and maybe that will ease the pain... and that is where the steroids come in place... but im still not sure

 

[st8grad]

Sometimes people have pain and sometimes people don't. Some with disc herniations feel no pain and others are completely incapacitated. Even surgery many times does not relieve pain.

I would keep searching for a doctor that will listen and can help pinpoint the pain. Sometimes the pain continues because of the mind-body connection and it is possible that some of your pain can be helped through anti-depressants or medicines that release dopamine.

I'm not saying you are a mental patient or anything like that. But in cases of pain, don't be too proud to rule out anything that may bring relief. Sometimes just temporarily taking certain medications can help.

 

[njmuscleguy]

Have you had an MRI done?

I would think twice about starting any sort of A A S with that sort of problem, especially since you don't know what's causing it. Under the influence of A A S, your muscles will (could) grow larger and more quickly than your back can handle, potentially causing more issues (damage, pain). You may also want to look into ART (Active Release Technique)

 

[st8grad]

Have you had an MRI done?

I would think twice about starting any sort of A A S with that sort of problem, especially since you don't know what's causing it. Under the influence of A A S, your muscles will (could) grow larger and more quickly than your back can handle, potentially causing more issues (damage, pain). You may also want to look into ART (Active Release Technique)

Definitely MRI. Good catch NJ. An xray will only show vertebrae out of alignment or broken vertebrae. It won't show herniations or disc dessication. Get a referral to a spinal orthopedic (orthopaedic in UK) surgeon. Maybe even a one time shot of kenalog could help cut that pain/inflammation cycle.

 

[hyp1]

400mgs of equipoise for 12 weeks isn't going to do shit,and that includes not relieving any pain,bro.

get an MRI,and find out what the problem actually is........BEFORE YOU GO BACK TO HEAVY TRAINING...otherwise you could make the problem substantially worse.

steroids aren't a 'quick fix' for anything.

 

[Acela]

i'm not going to comment on whether or not you should do the cycle, but if you do run the E/Q for 16 weeks IMO to get the max benefit

 

[holy ghost]

hope your insurance covers MRI's

those babies are expensive!

 

[backpain]

I have done an MRI and it didn't show anything worth mentioning, some minor things but nothing that should have anything to do with my problem though. Dont think im just diving into this decision .. i have tried every other option i can think of .. and everyone i go to has either a different opinion or doesn't know what it might be, none of the exercises experts have given me have helped. so trying the equipoise would be kind of a last resort.

 

[IronJunkey]

go with nj's advice. I have personally been healed through ART - amazing stuff. Try to locate someone fluent in british sports massage...

 

[H_T_]

how `bout a suplex?

 

[georgie24]

have you had any electronic imaging done? ( MRI )

 

[drwost]

I have done an MRI and it didn't show anything worth mentioning, some minor things but nothing that should have anything to do with my problem though. .

what exactly did the MRI say?
Tell us more about the pain?
where do you get it, what started it, what makes it worse, better,

 

[r1]

I don't think you should try it now for the reasons NJ stated.

I got a pile of gear staring me in the face, too, but I've been waiting. I also have some back pain and know that if I go on cycle while injured, I will be lifting around the injury (which includes no deads or squats) and therefore won't make the best use of what the gear can do. Kind of a waste to not be able to give it 100% physically IMO.

R1

 

[orionstar]

Getting an x-ray is pretty much a waste of time. Finally I had an MRI done and it showed I had a bulging disc in my lower back. I had to have surgery. A few months afterwards another disc started to slip out. Be careful bro how you work out. Taking all the juice in the world won't help either.

 

[Bruce]

mid twenties as well. i have horrible back pain. been on and off of pk's but i won't use them as a means to fix it. i have learned to use less weight and more form and reps which helps. however, like you i have been to every chiro, pt, and doc you can find. i'm on eq var and pro v right now. if you are in too much pain to lift it is going to do no good for you. you can argue collagen and all that but its bogus. get an mri see if you have herniated discs. and yes strengthen your back slowly but surely. do rows with a support on your chest and do not press without back support or in an uncontrolled way. eq needs to be at 600mg ew imo to have an effect worth while. and the strength from steroids while trying to heal your back might be negative. i am on cycle but am in the type of pain that just makes driving and shit a pain. i'm no longer crippled. when i was i never took gear as it is a waste and i wont' waste the sauce nor put tax on my body when i can't go balls to the wall. get a good doc and more than one opinion and do not think a needle will solve your issues. good luck let us know broly

 

[hyp1]

Re: Backpain, might try equipoise, worth a try???

So in lack of other options im considering doing a 12 week 400mg/week equipoise only cycle. I have been trying to learn as much as possible the last couple of weeks but i would like to hear what you guys have to say about it...
Do you think it is worth a shot, could it relieve me from the pain?

do I think equipoise will help?not in the slightest especially @ only 400mgs for 12 weeks

I would think you would be more prone to try deca durabolin because of it's joint supposed joint lubricating claimed results by many people.

truth be told I don't think you should do any gear at all,with an injured back.if something does make the pain go away or mask it,it's only going to enable you to damage your back that much more.see a back specialist and a pain specialist,but whatever you do don't start lifting again while taking pain killers!

 

[BigGuyPHX]

Just went through the same shit! Several times over past 6 years BUT I just found the magic fix several month ago...
IF your MRI shows no serious problems(I had a small bulge on L4) then find a doctor that does Trigger Point Injections then do Cortisone injections. This will cut the signal off at the nerve for pain!!! This is the cats ass if you want to stop the pain and muscle spazum. This will let the problem site relax and repair. I tried everything but a Witch Doctor to stop the pain and this works!
WARNING: If you do this you must understand that you are shutting off the nerve that sends the pain signal so if there is a problem and you cant feel that you are hurting the area you could do more damage. Also you may want to find a ciropractor that has an anti compression table. This thing hold you down at the chest then pulls on your legs and hips. Doing the Cortisone injections, ciropractic adjustment, and anti compresson table will take preassure off the problem nerves and let the problems repair. Dugs(Anti-inflamatorys) dont work on most people FACT, so pumping that shit IMO is just a waste of time and money. I swear on my life the above method worked for me after trying dozens of different things. Good luck bro!

Oh yea one more thing... I make it a habbit to hang by my hands on the squat rack after every workout to take the preassure off the disks in the back and pull my spine straight. Its hard to do when your ass is kicked but well worth the effort. Kind of like getting your car an alignment after your girlfriend slams into a parking curb.

Squat To Ya TeaBag The Floor!

 

[enacer420nj]

Sometimes people have pain and sometimes people don't. Some with disc herniations feel no pain and others are completely incapacitated. Even surgery many times does not relieve pain.

I would keep searching for a doctor that will listen and can help pinpoint the pain. Sometimes the pain continues because of the mind-body connection and it is possible that some of your pain can be helped through anti-depressants or medicines that release dopamine.

I'm not saying you are a mental patient or anything like that. But in cases of pain, don't be too proud to rule out anything that may bring relief. Sometimes just temporarily taking certain medications can help.

mmmm dopamine...cocaine anyone? hehe

 

[lartinos]

deca while "on" you may feel good

 

[Para_Shoot]

mmmm dopamine...cocaine anyone? hehe

I will tell you what worked for me, but I cannot single out the one particular thing that did the job as I believe it was a combination of all. Long story short, had microscopic-diskeptomy (cut the bulge off the L5-S1 disk that was pressing into sciatic nerve, left leg) in 1996. Doc said while he was in there cutting away that I'd need another surgery in a few years since I had degenerative disk disease on L5-S1, L4, L3 and L2. That surgery fixed the hellacious, and I repeat HELLACIOUS leg pain. Everything fine after surgery but I got hooked on pain pills for nine years after, yes nine years. Throughout these 9yrs my back pain got worse and worse. MRI, Myleogram and everthing else showed bad disks and fusion was talked about. Anyway, in May 2005 divorce hit me cause of pain pill addiciton. Hit rock bottom, started on Wellbutrin ( Antidepressant Dopamine/Norepinepherine rebuilder, for the years of pain pill addiction) from doctor and started back in gym after 12yrs of not lifting in July of 2005. Focused on core excercises, abs, obliques, lower back and of course did one body part a day for muscle training, and 20mins cardio a day. All this 5 days a week. Started 200mgs test prop and 200mgs EQ a week in Sept of 2005 and haven't come off yet. Yes, almost 2 yrs of "on" juice. Absolutly NO pain whatsoever, nor sexual dysfunction or anything else. I am 5'11", 200lbs, 6%bf and a rippin six pack, but I have also been eating super clean for almost 2 yrs and cheated on diet about 2 times in those 2 yrs.. When I started 2 yrs ago on all of this, I was 265lbs, totally outta shape, like 23%bf. I am still on Wellbutrin and juice. I am real curious as to what an MRI would show now. Like I said, I don't know if it was everything or one single thing but whatever it is/was, it worked, for me.

 

[BigGuyPHX]

mmmm dopamine...cocaine anyone? hehe

I understand your logic but...
anti-depressants are poison. END OF STORY.
They make coporations billions.
There has not been one study to date that can prove they pass the blood brain barrier. The proven fact of the danger of these drugs are that they rewire your brain. Rewire your brain= you think different= you act different= you become a different person. Friend PHD in BioChem and commonly atteneds seminars that refer to anti-depressants as the AntiChrist drug from hell. Crazy Pills IMO

Squat to ya teabag the floor!!!

 

[mattdan]

I've struggled with back pain for years. EQ would not be my first choice here.

Anavar, primobolan, halo, maybe some test.

I know this sounds mega stupid, and everyone is different, but deadlifts always helped my back the most.

You mileage may vary as they say - so go with what works best for you.

 

[Bruce]

i'd say this thread proves all people react different and things work different for everyone. try it is the only way, you can't really hurt yourself if you don't strain. i still think its a waste but try it. i'd choose anavar deca and test though for building tendons, lubing the joints, and a little test can always help boost your everything imo

 

[bigmodean]

I should probably add that i have no previous experience using steroids.

Hate to say it,but I learned once you fuck your back up its never going to be the same,especially if your older than 30,I tweaked my back about 4 years ago,worst pain of my life,almost couldnt walk for days,wasnt "normal" for almost 6 months afterwords.I kept training (lightly)throughout,gradually increasing my weights.Had a couple set backs in that time,but can get back up to deads and squats at 315lbs +,which is about how hard I will push it now.On a 1-10 scale(10 the highest),daily pain is about 1-3,figured it is there to stay.I would suggest working abs to strengthen back,this helps my recovery.I have cycled once since I had injury,I made nice gains and will do it again,just have to "excercise smart",and realize you have limitations now.Good luck.

 

[backpain]

Wow, lots of different opinions. I guess im not the only one with back-problems. The MRI i took showed that i have a very slight diskdegeneration at L10, L11. However it was so small that it shouldn't be the cause of the pain, in my doctors point of view. Except for that the rest of my spine looked fine with disks and all.
My physio therapist offered me a cortisone injection before i did the MRI, because he was convinced that i had was somehow caused by a damaged disk. But after i got the results he said it would probably do more damage then good to get the shot, since cortisone breaks down muscles or something like that.
So basicly what people are saying now is that the pain must be caused from something else then the disks.
I have noticed that if i regularly work out my lower back, like every 2-3 days the pain isnt as intense, but if i dont train it for 4-5 days it gets worse. I recently started doing deadlifts again, with low wheights though and i dont know if its my imagination but i think it feels a little bit beter.. but its far from gone though.
So for now i will just continue to try and build my back stronger and when i stop gaining wheight i think i will go for the equipoise anyway. I've seen the results on a friend of mine, and i like what i see.

Anyway, thanks everyone for all the feedback, much appreciated!
Keep on fighting everyone with the fucked up backs out there!

 

[Bruce]

man it feels better to know bros are going thru the same thing. i feel you man for real. i have the vicodins callin my name, but they are not a means. alot of it is toughing it out now and deciding what pain is really that acute that you need meds and pain that can be dealt with. its rough and i agree it doesn't go away. i am mid twenties a ways from 30 and am told it will always hurt me in the morning and if i do too much weight in the gym

 

[Delinquent]

Wow, lots of different opinions. I guess im not the only one with back-problems. The MRI i took showed that i have a very slight diskdegeneration at L10, L11. However it was so small that it shouldn't be the cause of the pain, in my doctors point of view. Except for that the rest of my spine looked fine with disks and all.
My physio therapist offered me a cortisone injection before i did the MRI, because he was convinced that i had was somehow caused by a damaged disk. But after i got the results he said it would probably do more damage then good to get the shot, since cortisone breaks down muscles or something like that.
So basicly what people are saying now is that the pain must be caused from something else then the disks.
I have noticed that if i regularly work out my lower back, like every 2-3 days the pain isnt as intense, but if i dont train it for 4-5 days it gets worse. I recently started doing deadlifts again, with low wheights though and i dont know if its my imagination but i think it feels a little bit beter.. but its far from gone though.
So for now i will just continue to try and build my back stronger and when i stop gaining wheight i think i will go for the equipoise anyway. I've seen the results on a friend of mine, and i like what i see.

Anyway, thanks everyone for all the feedback, much appreciated!
Keep on fighting everyone with the fucked up backs out there!

you must have meant to say T10 and T11 as your lumbar vertebrae only go to L5. There really isn't anything else that can be done from a diagnostic point of view. If there was a disk problem, the MRI should have shown it. When you had your MRI done, did they inject contrast? If not, they may need to perform another MRI with the contrast injection and do a study called a myelogram which profiles the entire spinal cord. Also, when you had the MRI, did they put a pad under your knees?

Are you feeling any numbness in your extremities? In which position does the pain hurt the worst ie: laying on your stomach, standing, sitting, etc. Any other pains in other areas of your body such as head, neck, hips, wtc? Has any of the doc's mentioned a possibility of fibromyalgia?

 

[solidspine]

Test and deca for a first cycle, brace your back,

build the muscles in the lower, middle then upper back

how tall is 184cm, sounds short

 

[Triple J]

i agree get an MRI. chronic pain patterns can take time to disrupt. depending on the nature of the problem obviously. what were your treatment plan protocols and timeframes as prescribed for your PT or chiropractic treatments? most people give up, they quit if they do not experience quick relief, then they bad-mouth the chiropractor or PT for not getting the job done. if the chronic pain pattern is well established these things just take time. but first get the diagnosis right, depending on other physicaly exam findings, at this point that likely means getting an MRI. a chiropractor can order an MRI, a PT cannot. however your insurance may only pay for the MRI if it is ordered by your MD.