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Back or biceps first

most people would do back frst because it's the bigger muscle and if you do biceps first your forearms are way too stressed to do back...

Unless your biceps is lacking, I would do back first.
 
In my opinion you bust the shit out of your back first because it's the bigger muscle and you are using Bi's to do back anyway and then when your back is torched you finish off what's left of your Bi's. Just my 2 cents. And it makes a lot of sense too if you just think about it.
 
Back/Biceps...my biceps lag, so for me hitting back with extreme intensity pre-exhausts biceps, so that when I hit biceps I don't need to warm them up, just hit heavy sets to get them to grow. Then I will hit them again later in week with triceps/forearms, this.works for me at least.

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I switch it up, ill do heavy compound back then move to heavy bi compound. then ill keep switching it usually
 
Back/Biceps...my biceps lag, so for me hitting back with extreme intensity pre-exhausts biceps, so that when I hit biceps I don't need to warm them up, just hit heavy sets to get them to grow. Then I will hit them again later in week with triceps/forearms, this.works for me at least.

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I was doing this exact same thing and it kicked my lagging bi's into overdrive :)
 
if I did bi's first there would be no possible way to push my back very hard. every good back exercise is compound.

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Back first. However I find that after back my biceps are exhausted and fatigue so I cant hit it as hard. I therefore do chest and biceps, back and triceps.
I train the part of the arm which is not being exhausted from the bigger body part workout
 
Always do your larger muscle groups first. In this case Back first makes perfect sense. It will fatigue your biceps by doing back first, so when you get to the bicep exercises you won't be able complete as much weight or reps as when they are fresh. However....bicep growth really comes mostly from your compound back movements like rows anyways, so you should be hitting back hard if you want growth there
 
I usually do back/tris and chest/biceps so that my tri or bis are stronger.

Is this a mistake or like everything else, just keep changing it up?
 
In my opinion you bust the shit out of your back first because it's the bigger muscle and you are using Bi's to do back anyway and then when your back is torched you finish off what's left of your Bi's. Just my 2 cents. And it makes a lot of sense too if you just think about it.

that's the conventional way of looking at things...if you do your weaker muscle or lagging muscle first, it will develop much faster
 
that's the conventional way of looking at things...if you do your weaker muscle or lagging muscle first, it will develop much faster

Makes sense but I think if you blast your bi's before back your back workout will suffer and more often than not when doing bi's the back isn't getting much work, whereas when your ate blasting back you are hitting bi's too. Once back is scorched most of the time bi just need a set or two to be totally exhausted as well. Just my opinion though
 
i always do back first. for all the reasons everyone wrote here. but sometimes just for a change up ill do it backwards for a couple days. fore-arms, bis, rear delts, back. when eating alot of carbs, this gave me some of the craziest forearm/ bicep pumps ive ever had. but while cutting, i just felt them getting destroyed and over trained.
 
If you kill your back workouts and have plenty of compound movements, you won't have lagging biceps to worry about.

My lats were so wide I could fly and my back was thick as fuck, but my arms were lagging until I started doing arms on their own...now my arms are scary
 
My lats were so wide I could fly and my back was thick as fuck, but my arms were lagging until I started doing arms on their own...now my arms are scary

Yeh...some, such as yourself, will have to take that route to really get development. Everyone is different, and everybody has an area that needs special help to bring up to par with everything else.

Sometimes doing direct and dedicated work on a lagging muscle group is the only way to get that growth ;)
 
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